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Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:15 AM

"That's Not Pro-Life. That's Pro-Birth."

In one simple quote, Sister Joan Chittister, O.S.B. sums up the hypocrisy in the 'pro-life' movement:

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/30/1407166/-Catholic-Nun-Explains-Pro-Life-In-A-Way-That-May-Stun-The-Masses

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Reply "That's Not Pro-Life. That's Pro-Birth." (Original post)
kpete Jul 2015 OP
PatrickforO Jul 2015 #1
JackInGreen Jul 2015 #2
Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #3
Enthusiast Jul 2015 #4
The Polack MSgt Jul 2015 #5
bulloney Jul 2015 #6
A Simple Game Jul 2015 #8
SoapBox Jul 2015 #7
restorefreedom Jul 2015 #34
olddots Jul 2015 #9
niyad Jul 2015 #10
Moral Compass Jul 2015 #11
merrily Jul 2015 #12
Major Nikon Jul 2015 #13
rurallib Jul 2015 #14
NoMoreRepugs Jul 2015 #15
pansypoo53219 Jul 2015 #16
MisterP Jul 2015 #17
Orsino Jul 2015 #18
smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #19
Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #20
DirkGently Jul 2015 #21
vkkv Jul 2015 #22
lark Jul 2015 #23
blondie58 Jul 2015 #24
benld74 Jul 2015 #25
AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #26
PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #31
restorefreedom Jul 2015 #35
Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #27
Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #28
rock Jul 2015 #29
ybbor Jul 2015 #30
blackspade Jul 2015 #32
calimary Jul 2015 #33
BlueJazz Jul 2015 #36
Hekate Jul 2015 #37
AZ Progressive Jul 2015 #38
Missn-Hitch Jul 2015 #39

Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:23 AM

1. Excellent quote.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:21 AM

2. Oh

I like that.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:24 AM

3. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:33 AM

4. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

Well said, Sister Joan!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:36 AM

5. Exactly

Great quote, thanks for posting.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:36 AM

6. Amen!

Sister Joan nailed it without getting into capital punishment, access to health care, supporting W's warmongering and other issues. I know a lot of people who call themselves "pro life," but support capital punishment and Bush's wars and oppose any attempt by a Democrat to reform health care.

She stayed within the parameters of the unborn child's transition to life after it's born.

I liked the additional comment about not wanting their tax dollars go to feeding or educating these children. But, these same people have no problems spending trillions of dollars invading countries, killing innocent people and occupying these countries indefinitely. This accomplishes nothing except making other countries hostile toward the U.S. and making defense contractors even richer than they already are.

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Response to bulloney (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:47 AM

8. She did nail it and kept it short. I can tell from just that short paragraph that

if she were so inclined she could have written a fairly long and expanded essay on the subject.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:47 AM

7. Bravo!

They...love the fetus and hate the child.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:55 PM

34. and the mothers

who "let themselves" get pregnant

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:59 AM

9. the "pro lifers" are really Pro Dumbth

 

But rhey like dumb because their idols tell them it brings them happieness .

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:27 AM

10. so very true.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:33 AM

11. Excellent K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:38 AM

12. It's not pro-anything. Please, lt let's call it what it is: anti-choice.

Stated more fully, it's government depriving women of individual choice and constitutional rights.

Stated even more fully, it's paternalistic, control freak government depriving women of individual choice and constitutional rights.

If it were even pro-birth, there would be movements supporting pregnant women wonderfully.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:01 AM

13. Actually it's pro-forced-birth

There is no moral high ground when you are promoting the idea that the government should force someone to give birth. It doesn't mater how many weeks into gestation they are. The reasons why they do not want to give birth birth do not mater. The only thing that maters is that so-called pro-lifers really want to use the power of government to force someone to do something regarding their own body against their will. There's no other way to candy coat that.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:03 AM

14. Just wrote a weekend post on Joni Ernst submitting a bill to defund

Planned Parenthood in the senate (blogforiowa.com) for Saturday.
Then I saw this post and said to me- "the perfect quote to top off the post." so I - uh - recycled. Hope you don't mind.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:16 AM

15. IF the Pope does speak b4 Congress and IF the Pope

would repeat this so many Repub heads would explode that we might have a chance at a functional Congress

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:19 AM

16. PRO-FETUS. what she said.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:05 PM

17. you can get a lot of this brand of Thomist ethics from Martin Sheen (of all people)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:27 PM

18. Not even pro-birth, when it's also anti-health.

What it is is anti-woman, anti-sex and anti-poor.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:35 PM

19. K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:53 PM

20. kick

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:58 PM

21. Well-put, Sister Joan. n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:06 PM

22. Being born is one single event. Not one person would seriously define Life as to mean "Born"

 

Being born is one single event. Not one person would seriously define Life as to mean the same as "Born". The phrase "to give life" is just that, a phrase, it is not a definition. "My bad", "That's cool.." are also phrases.

The biology of life was ALREADY THERE in the reproductive cells. Then by chance they happen to join and form a zygote, a new and different life-form. It is all life, was already life. Those we call "Pro-Lifers" are only Pro-Birthers unless they truly take responsibility to SUPPORT LIFE as the Sister Joan Chittister says, with education, food, housing, a living wage, some retirement... If you are for the death penalty, eat animal flesh or fish or birds that were killed for food - then you are definitely NOT "Pro-Life".

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:08 PM

23. The gap widens further between Catholics and the GOP

Bet they are pissed at this nun for outting their real motives and calling BS on what they claim is their motive.

Good for her!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:15 PM

24. This is awesome!

I actually posted this in FB Earlier- i am curious if if One of my Friends will react.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:20 PM

25. Amen 2

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:36 PM

26. I used to say I was of course pro choice but not thrilled with abortion as a procedure

or that nobody does it because they want to, etc.


I am not a woman, btw

But I change my mind, I am PRO abortion.

I think it is a well accepted, scientifically safe and sound method of birth control in a world where population issues are very real.

There is absolutely NO reason for ANY woman to EVER feel ANY remorse and anxiety for having a safe and sound scientifically approved medical procedure.

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Response to AllFieldsRequired (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:04 PM

31. Thank you, this is the message we need to send. Change the rhetoric.

Abortion is not a “necessary evil.” Abortion is a moral and positive choice that liberates women, saves lives, and protects families.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:46 PM

27. Yes, anti-abortion is much different than prolife.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:50 PM

28. It's not the pro-life movement, it's the Anti-Women movement....

The Neo-Con-Fundy's twisted Orwellian answer to Women's Lib/Feminiism.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:11 PM

29. Well put.

As well put as my wife who said the equivalent the first time she heard the expression pro-life. And as far as I can tell applies to all who claim to be pro-life, they don't care about the living, they just care about the birthing.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:01 PM

30. Wow!

Nailed it!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:13 PM

32. Elbow drop!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:53 PM

33. She's wonderful. WUNNNNNderful!

Sister Joan Chittister has been a prominent author on the left, for some time. I loved reading her stuff during bush/cheney and about the Iraq War. Her perspective was SO brilliant. She's doing the work of the saints.

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Response to calimary (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:52 PM

36. What calimary said.

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:28 AM

37. KnR.....

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:34 AM

38. Perfect! Great argument for pro-choice people!

If anti-abortion people want abortion banned, they should support socialism and high taxes on the rich to help all those mothers and fathers support their children.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:35 AM

39. A world without abortions. They believe this is achievable.

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There is no such thing as a world without abortions. There are legal abortions and illegal abortions. I prefer legal abortions over illegal ones. It is truly Pro-Birth, not Pro-Life. I am all for reducing the number of abortions and unwanted pregnancies BUT this would require talking to jesus people about comprehensive sex education. *sigh*

Can't we herd these folks to a region of the country, let them secede and be done with them? Let them have their theocracy, let them edit the constitution (freedom of "the christian religion", prayer as many times as they want in school, let them develop their own scientific method, develop their own medications, perform their own research, produce their own entertainment, develop a government with no taxes, blah blah blah. ISIS? Ha. These people, given the right economic conditions, would devolve into something very similar....I call them CHRISIS. Eh, 5-10 more years, a large segment of the God's Own Party will be deceased.

Sure is a beautiful moon tonight.

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