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Sat May 19, 2012, 09:31 AM

You Tell Us: When Did The Spirit Of The '60s End?

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You Tell Us: When Did The Spirit Of The '60s End?


Last week James Franco wrote an anecdotal piece on his experience watching "Gimme Shelter," a film by the Maysles Brothers that involved coverage of the violent incidents that occured at the Altamont concert in 1969. The film, according to Franco, ended up sounding like "the death knell for the flower power of the 1960s." An interesting debate broke out in the comments section of the piece, where contributors gave their own account of the late '60s, and what really marked the end of 'flower power' for them.

Below is a roundup of the most interesting of the differing opinions and accounts. We want to reopen the floor to those who have words to contribute to the conversation.

Tell us in the comments or record a video retelling your experience in the late sixties. What marked the end of the spirit of the '60s for you?

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Reply You Tell Us: When Did The Spirit Of The '60s End? (Original post)
G_j May 2012 OP
Tuesday Afternoon May 2012 #1
coalition_unwilling May 2012 #2
dipsydoodle May 2012 #7
aquart May 2012 #17
coalition_unwilling May 2012 #23
aquart May 2012 #28
FarCenter May 2012 #29
coalition_unwilling May 2012 #34
jwirr May 2012 #38
coalition_unwilling May 2012 #59
jwirr May 2012 #67
SoCalDem May 2012 #71
coalition_unwilling May 2012 #72
Scuba May 2012 #3
G_j May 2012 #5
aquart May 2012 #18
lunatica May 2012 #4
Canuckistanian May 2012 #47
NOLALady May 2012 #6
XanaDUer May 2012 #36
Louisiana1976 May 2012 #46
HiPointDem May 2012 #62
NOLALady May 2012 #78
loyalsister May 2012 #81
craigmatic May 2012 #83
HopeHoops May 2012 #8
zbdent May 2012 #9
frazzled May 2012 #10
erinlough May 2012 #11
GeorgeGist May 2012 #14
G_j May 2012 #41
G_j May 2012 #12
stlsaxman May 2012 #19
leveymg May 2012 #13
stlsaxman May 2012 #15
leveymg May 2012 #21
Taverner May 2012 #73
KansDem May 2012 #16
stlsaxman May 2012 #25
KansDem May 2012 #26
kentuck May 2012 #20
FarCenter May 2012 #22
coalition_unwilling May 2012 #24
FarCenter May 2012 #27
coalition_unwilling May 2012 #30
FarCenter May 2012 #57
coalition_unwilling May 2012 #58
Taverner May 2012 #74
Paladin May 2012 #31
Greybnk48 May 2012 #32
MoreGOPoop May 2012 #33
WilliamPitt May 2012 #35
Zorra May 2012 #37
Swede May 2012 #39
ozone_man May 2012 #60
pa28 May 2012 #40
FSogol May 2012 #42
johnnie May 2012 #43
Sancho May 2012 #44
Warren DeMontague May 2012 #45
braddy May 2012 #48
Raine May 2012 #49
Blue_In_AK May 2012 #50
KoKo May 2012 #51
G_j May 2012 #79
bhikkhu May 2012 #52
RobertEarl May 2012 #53
Stinky The Clown May 2012 #54
nolabels May 2012 #63
bluestate10 May 2012 #55
lunatica May 2012 #65
Stinky The Clown May 2012 #68
G_j May 2012 #80
fishwax May 2012 #56
ozone_man May 2012 #61
Selatius May 2012 #64
lunatica May 2012 #66
coalition_unwilling May 2012 #75
lunatica May 2012 #77
slackmaster May 2012 #69
On the Road May 2012 #70
H2O Man May 2012 #76
former9thward May 2012 #82
marlakay May 2012 #84

Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:33 AM

1. Disco.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:33 AM

2. May 4, 1970 (Kent State U. massacre) - that's when youth

 

learned their government would kill or wound them if they expressed an opinion.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #2)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:45 AM

7. Well said.

I'm UK and even we were stunned by that incident over here.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #2)

Sat May 19, 2012, 10:47 AM

17. That's not what we learned that day.

Within HOURS without any social networking sites, without even desktops or laptops, every campus in the country was shut down.

That was the day I sat in a classroom of a commuter college and discussed how you make a molotov cocktail JUST IN CASE WE NEEDED TO MAKE THEM.

That was the day very quiet decisions were made to fight back.

A DC protest was scheduled for that weekend. It was huge. And sooooooooooo peaceful.

They scared us? Yes. Then we scared the shit out of them.

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Response to aquart (Reply #17)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:03 AM

23. Yes, in the immediate aftermath of Kent State, over 400

 

colleges and unis went on strike. No disputing that.

And bravo for your resistance. I salute the contributions and commitment of your generation.

I was responding to the question as posted by the OP: "When did the spirit of the 60s end?" Up until May 4, 1970, youth (the signature demographic of the 60s in the West) knew they would be taunted and even beaten for expressing their dissent (the signature 'spirit' of the 60s after rock and roll). But 'killed' by aimed gunfire from government forces? Anyone protesting after that had to know he or she was taking his or her life into his or her hands by so doing. I would say that was the real end of innocence, not the executions of JFK, Malcom X, MLK or RFK. I'm not sure that death of innocence is such a bad thing, altho my heart breaks for all the innocent victims.

Side note: Despite George H.W. Bush's bragadoccio that we had 'kicked the Vietnam War syndrome' following Operation Desert Storm, Daniel Ellsberg has argued that we will not have truly ended the Vietnam War until a monument is erected in DC to the courage and heroism of the draft and war resisters. I'm not holding my breath.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #23)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:19 AM

28. Stony Brook and Pratt Institute RENTED A TRAIN.

That's how I went to Washington, by train, not bus. Queens College had a problem with our buses so I went out to Brooklyn in the middle of the night to travel with my sister's school. We sat up packing our disaster backpacks with food and first aid stuff JUST IN CASE.

At the gathering site, Pratt students were handed thick copies of old issues of Vogue Magazine and taught how to wind them on our forearms to protect ourselves against nightstick attacks.

But as we got closer to DC, the protest marshalls were much more interested in handing out info on how to identify the difference between heat prostration and heat stroke.

It was a very hot, very peaceful day. I remember running into a friend of my mom's, a veteran of the Sea Wolf in World War II. He was there with his son.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #23)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:32 AM

29. Which shows a certain lack of imagination and naive belief in white middle-class priviledge,

 

since quite a few people were killed in Detroit in '67 by aimed gunfire from government forces?

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #29)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:41 AM

34. No argument here. No one should ever die from gunfire aimed at them by

 

their own government. So many illusions perished in the 60s. So much death and destruction. (Let's not forget the 1,000,000+ southeast Asians killed in the various civil wars in Asia.)

Interesting side note: when various Occupy encampments were being smashed by the pigs and occupiers brutalized and mistreated, some of my African American acquaintances here, while sympathetic, were saying that Occupiers were learning what AAs had long known about whose interests the police actually serve. Kind of echoes your point, I think.

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Response to aquart (Reply #17)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:58 AM

38. I agree. That only made us more determined. For me the end of our hopes came when RFK was

assassinated. By then most of our leaders had been in one way or another destroyed. I think Bill Clinton and to a greater extent President Obama awakened that hope but it is a very fragile thing now as we are more aware of what we are up against and the weakness of government to be our answer.

I long for that hope but at 70 I may not live long enough to see it.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #38)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:24 PM

59. Until I personally witnessed the Occupy Los Angeles encampment last fall, I

 

never thought I would live long enough to see it either. But then I saw OLA and, for a brief, oh-too-brief, 8 weeks, saw an alternate future of loving, caring, respect and radical egalitarianism. It was quite an eye-opener.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #59)

Sun May 20, 2012, 09:10 AM

67. I am watching them closely and still have hope that they will be able to pull us together. However,

I am upset about the violence that has begun to happen. No matter who is doing it and what their motives are they are weakening the movement. The only people that violence benefits are the police (by justifying their actions to many) and the corporations who are often the targets (by allowing them to cry victim).

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #2)

Sun May 20, 2012, 11:54 AM

71. It had also happened in Calif..Reagan was in charge then...Bloody Thursday

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Park#15_May_1969_.E2.80.93_.22Bloody_Thursday.22

In an address before the California Council of Growers on 7 April 1970, almost a year after "Bloody Thursday" and the death of James Rector, Governor Reagan defended his decision to use the California National Guard to quell Berkeley protests: "If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with. No more appeasement."[27] Just a few weeks later, on 4 May 1970, the Ohio National Guard fired on protestors at Kent State University, killing four students and seriously wounding nine

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #71)

Sun May 20, 2012, 11:56 AM

72. Don't even get me started on that union-busting red-baiting son of a bitch Reagan. Also,

 

my original response left out the victims at Jackson State U. Easy to forget those who died at Jackson State, because Kent State has become so iconic.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:36 AM

3. It hasn't ended. Anyone who tries to tell you differently is blind to the changes...

 

... in society that came from that movement, and to the activities of those of us who still "carry on".

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Response to Scuba (Reply #3)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:38 AM

5. agreed

edit to add, The "spirit" emanates from within, and I know mine is still alive!


The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
Mark Twain

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Response to Scuba (Reply #3)

Sat May 19, 2012, 10:53 AM

18. People who wonder if protest works don't notice we got pretty much every damn thing we fought for.

And then we got so smug and self-satisfied we let them sneak in and start to take it all away.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:37 AM

4. Some say the Charles Manson murders ended the spirit of the 60s

He took the commune ideal to the dark side.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #4)

Sat May 19, 2012, 08:48 PM

47. That's what I think, too

All of a sudden, communes and other free-living societies weren't cool and were regarded with suspicion by some.

After Manson, you didn't hear of many communes any more.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:39 AM

6. November 8, 1980

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #6)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:43 AM

36. Yup. nt

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #6)

Sat May 19, 2012, 08:14 PM

46. Well said.

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #6)

Sun May 20, 2012, 12:55 AM

62. That's my thought as well. Throughout the 70s you could at least kid yourself that things would

 

turn around again. There were signs of life, you'd still hear some of the same rhetoric, POV --

But after Reagan it was like pod people took over the country. Everything changed.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #62)

Sun May 20, 2012, 01:57 PM

78. Even after all of the assassinations,

I still had hope. Maybe I was just young and naive, but I really believed we could turn this train wreck around.

I remember that election the way I remember the assassination of JFK. When it seemed that he was winning by a landslide, I felt that my country was dying.

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #6)

Sun May 20, 2012, 06:04 PM

81. Wasn't that when yuppies joined the corporate culture?

When former hippies renounced their values of peace and love & replaced pot and communes with cocaine and real estate?

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #6)

Sun May 20, 2012, 06:24 PM

83. Beat me to it.

 

For all the sexual revolutions and the drug experimentation as well as the racial issues going on, Reagan came in and killed all of it with AIDS, crack, and cut backs.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:47 AM

8. Wait. The 60's ended? Why wasn't I informed?

 

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #8)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:50 AM

9. I left a note ... but you used it to roll your joint ...

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:51 AM

10. The beginning of the end, for me ...

were the events of 1968: the assassinations of King and Kennedy, even the shooting of Andy Warhol, the race riots that followed King's death ... and late in that year, the election of Richard M. Nixon. It was really hard to feel that peace, love, and understanding could prevail after that. Flower power felt like a weak weapon to wield against assassins and racial divisions. And of course, all things related to cultural styles must change.

Certainly, Woodstock would take place the next year, billed as a "Festival of Peace and Music"; and indeed it was the apotheosis of the "spirit of the 60s." We were at the very acme of the flower-power cultural moment. But apotheosis means that it's all downhill from there. By 1974, I remember that my husband cut his long hair. Maybe that marked the end of the 60s!

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:53 AM

11. Two words: Ronald Reagan

Especially the air traffic controller strike.

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Response to erinlough (Reply #11)

Sat May 19, 2012, 10:03 AM

14. Three more words: and the Yuppies.


Especially the greed.

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Response to erinlough (Reply #11)

Sat May 19, 2012, 07:20 PM

41. the Reagan era was also notable for floods of cocaine

the Rambo of drugs, aggressive and selfish...and no accident..

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:59 AM

12. for one thing, the movement was so very powerful that

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that RW has been fighting against it's messages and influence every single day from the 60s to the present.

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Response to G_j (Reply #12)

Sat May 19, 2012, 10:54 AM

19. The fact that in todays America "Dirty Fucking" most always precedes "Hippie"...

proves this point!

To counter that my friend joeyes made this little video:

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 10:02 AM

13. The day the music died - John Lennon (RIP, Dec. 8, 1980).

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 10:43 AM

15. Three Words: "Up With People!"

After the major success that was Woodstock scared a lot of white upper middle-class folk, the corporations that were at the root of the MIC formulated, produced and promoted a version of "youth culture" that was as safe as mothers milk.

"Up With People!" in turn spawned many other "hip" programs like "The Brady Bunch", "The Partridge Family", "The Banana Bunch" and other dreck which replaced any thoughts of cultural growth or scary "revolution" with products such as timid, bland and "acceptable" yellow and purple sunflower decals or Orange Julius.

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #15)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:00 AM

21. Those people took off their orange jumpers, smoked reefer, and had sex with each other,

and used the money they made from UWP to party for years.

No more commercial or counter-revolutionary than Hair! on Broadway, really.

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #15)

Sun May 20, 2012, 12:05 PM

73. +100

 

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 10:44 AM

16. November 4, 1980

It was a Tuesday...

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Response to KansDem (Reply #16)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:07 AM

25. or shortly thereafter....

this is when democracy died-

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #25)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:16 AM

26. Ah, yes. Reminds of a quote I read recently on DU...

Capitalism killed communism in Russia...

...and it killed democracy in the United States.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 10:54 AM

20. August, 1969...

When Woodstock concert was over..

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:02 AM

22. Which '60s do you mean?

 

The civil rights freedom rider '60s?

The Bay of Pigs, Berlin Wall, Cuban Missile Crisis '60s?

The Phil Spector wall of sound '60s?

The NY, LA, Detroit race riot '60s?

The surfer music, Beach Boys '60s?

The JFK, RFK, MLK assasination '60s?

The Timothy Leary tune in, turn on, drop out, flower power '60s?

The British Invasion '60s?

The Vietnam War '60s?

The anti-war, demonstrating, draft dodging, move to Canada '60s?

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #22)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:07 AM

24. Excellent point. The period was certainly not a monolith. But do you think

 

the 60s had a single "spirit", as the OP's question implied?

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #24)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:16 AM

27. A "60's spirit" is mostly a media fiction

 

Your actual experience of the '60s depended heavily on your age, race, ethnicity, socioeconomic status, and the region of the country where you lived.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #27)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:32 AM

30. Fair enough. There is a school of historians who

 

seek to explain historical change by way of 'generations' and that each 15-20 years produces a new generation with its own imperatives and agendas, a sort of genetic determinism if you will.

Those like myself who missed out on the 60's by a cat's whisker (born in 1959) experience the 60s as an 'absence'. If I tell you I cast my first vote proudly for Jimmy Carter in 1980, that should tell you all you need to know Or maybe that's . Beats me.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #30)

Sat May 19, 2012, 10:38 PM

57. It's important because of the coming of age of a large cohort of the dominant socioeconomic group

 

Upper and middle class white kids from the Northeast, Midwest, and Far West who were born between '46 and '55. The same class that wore saddle shoes and poodle skirts and white bucks and kahkis a decade earlier.

Kids from the bible belt, the deep south, and mountain west or minorities, low class greasers and rural kids experienced the '60s differently.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #57)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:21 PM

58. Yeah, I totally get what you're saying. I still can't help feeling it as an

 

'absence' in my life, though.

Another interesting side-note: it's estimated that as many as 2 million Americans experimented with some form of communalism during the 60s and 70s. Granted that's only 1% of the population at large but, even so, the raw numbers are simply staggering.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #22)

Sun May 20, 2012, 12:07 PM

74. Or the 60s IN Vietnam? Or the 60s in Africa - the one experienced by Patrice Lumbumba?

 

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:33 AM

31. When The Military Draft Ended. (n/t)

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:34 AM

32. Ronald Reagan n/t

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:34 AM

33. K & R

IMHO, Kent State, Cambodia/Laos, Martin, Bobby, etc., only strengthened our spirit. WE stopped the war! THEY would love for our spirit to be currently out of commission. Fuck that! Power to the People!

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:42 AM

35. Altamont

 

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 11:44 AM

37. Some of us have been keeping the flame burning.

You can find us at various Occupy actions.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 01:07 PM

39. Hunter S. Thompson wrote this in 1971.

"Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era—the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run… but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant.…
History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshit, but even without being sure of "history" it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened.

My central memory of that time seems to hang on one or five or maybe forty nights—or very early mornings—when I left the Fillmore half-crazy and, instead of going home, aimed the big 650 Lightning across the Bay Bridge at a hundred miles an hour wearing L. L. Bean shorts and a Butte sheepherder's jacket… booming through the Treasure Island tunnel at the lights of Oakland and Berkeley and Richmond, not quite sure which turn-off to take when I got to the other end (always stalling at the toll-gate, too twisted to find neutral while I fumbled for change)... but being absolutely certain that no matter which way I went I would come to a place where people were just as high and wild as I was: No doubt at all about that…

There was madness in any direction, at any hour. If not across the Bay, then up the Golden Gate or down 101 to Los Altos or La Honda.… You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning.…

And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave.…

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back."

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Sat May 19, 2012, 07:18 PM

40. I wasn't there but I've got a little anecdote.

My parents lived in San Francisco in the late 60's and went to Altamont with their friends. When I was a kid I was interested in San Francisco in the 60's and alway used to ask my mom about it.

It's kind of funny to see this as she always pointed to Altamont as some kind of change. She would tell the story about how dark and awful the whole thing was but it always seems to build up to this moment where a stray dog walked across the stage.

Next time I talk to her I'll tell her about this thread but I think she'd say the moment the 60's died had something to do with that dog.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 07:21 PM

42. When the Baby Boomers elected Ronald Reagan.

FLAME ON!

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 07:23 PM

43. When someone supplied the brown acid. n/t

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 07:27 PM

44. I'm still in the 60's...

and a thousand years from now the 60's will go down as one of the decades of all time...

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Sat May 19, 2012, 08:51 PM

48. 1967 is where I put it.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 08:53 PM

49. Evolution killed the 60's, the natural passage of time

which stands still for no one. It's been like over 40 years, I wouldn't want to be the same person I was 40 years ago. That's seems more like the way reTHUGs are, always stuck in the past.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:01 PM

50. I was actually at Altamont,

albeit way in the back away from all the excitement.

I think it was a combination of things that ended the original "flower power" era -- Altamont, the Manson murders, Kent State, just a whole series of events. After Kent State, I dropped out and moved to the country.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:16 PM

51. I don't think it ended...it went dormant...after so much tragedy of our leaders

getting shot..taken out. I think that with the FBI/CIA Infiltrators...that it became too hard for the "youthful enthusiasm" to continue much longer once the first changes had been made.

The "Movement" (Women's and Environmental) did continue well through the 70's when the Media finally allowed more Women into reporting and Environmentalism (Grow your own, HomeMade, HandMade, Natural Fibers and give your kids Wood Toys from "Creative Playthings" were all the Rage amongst those 60's folks now having children and wanting them to have "natural everything." The first Natural Baby Food, Natural toys, clothes, etc. took hold at that time and many parents who weren't "hippies" were following that movement for "Natural."

It was when Reagan became President was when I noticed the change. He was the first financial De-regulator since FDR and he loosened much...which freed up money for Wall Street...and times got better for some...and it caused a shift that took awhile to get going. But, it was Reagan that opened the "GOOD TIMES of GREED and Self Satisfaction" and then Poppy Bush opened the door for the Chinese Imports and everything went downhill from then on.


But...really it was the failure of the Carter Administrations goals that set us down the Reagan Path and it was the NeoCons who did Carter in.

(This is a very quick...off top...reply from someone who lived through that time.. It's not an academic essay that has links and quotes and verification from other sources.

I wish I had time to go into more detail... But, it was the Open of the Floodgates of Chinese Goods to America that was our downfall after the late 60's-70's move for Independence, Creative Crafts, Grow your own food and Make Your Own Stuff or do without...that the Chinese Imports crushed...and we've not recovered our independence since then.

Whatever..I'm not going to waste time giving facts or statistics because few folks read what anyone says here when they do that. It's just my synopsis.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #51)

Sun May 20, 2012, 05:47 PM

79. there are also some interesting comments at the link

Thanks for yours, a good read.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:19 PM

52. With the election of Reagan -that was it for me

where you might say the "spirit of the sixties" was anyone, anywhere, being the equal and brother or sister of any other, where you could walk down the street with that open familial feel among strangers, as if the world welcomed you...or I could go on and on. I know I never felt alone then, and felt like things were going to be better every year as they went along (like Thompson's "we were winning" riff) This video as well always brings it back - &feature=related - the look on his face as he sings.

In any case, there was enough anxiety and doubt at one point to turn the whole tide, and with the "landslide" election of Reagan, a very real nationwide turning back into the security of judgmental hierarchies based on wealth, status, birth, etc, and away from the freedom of equality. Elect a Big Father and we can all be safe and ignorant again, turned off and shut down, or something like that.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:25 PM

53. The day the Music died

 

And then everyone went out and got a job and a mortgage and a new car.

It wasn't supposed to happen like that, but it did. And we bought MTV. Fine wine. Fast cars and fast women. Nuclear power became acceptable. Drugs expensive. Retirement became more important than taking care of now. Capitalism won.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #53)

Sat May 19, 2012, 09:39 PM

54. The Day The Music Died was February 3, 1959, near Clear Lake, Iowa.

A small plane crashed. It was carrying Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, and JP Richardson (The Big Bopper), and their pilot.

This predates the 60s but colored the era, to some degree. Older Boomers, for sure.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #54)

Sun May 20, 2012, 12:59 AM

63. Bull, my ipod is fully charged and plays many kinds of tunes on a daily basis

The music never died it just got more convoluted. Now if i could just find some speed-metal that sounds good


btw, if you were a recording artist that went to grand jukebox in the sky would you want people to stop listening

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 10:05 PM

55. People that are older than 60 today are the most conservative voters.

They keep the modern republican party alive. Those conservative voters were sixties late teens and young adults. I wasn't a child of the sixties, but when I study that period, what I see is groupism that largely took place without a sustained core principle driving it.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #55)

Sun May 20, 2012, 06:45 AM

65. I disagree

I'm 63 and still fight the fight. And everyone I know who is my age are the most informed and active political junkies and believers in universal rights and still have a voice and use it. The Teabaggers you seem to want to lump us into are a decided minority who were always the way they are today. They've just come out of the closet with the permission and on the dime of the 1%.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #65)

Sun May 20, 2012, 09:12 AM

68. Precisely correct

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Response to lunatica (Reply #65)

Sun May 20, 2012, 05:50 PM

80. yep

so true

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 10:11 PM

56. March 8, 1971 -- the Fight of the Century

Well, that's Hunter S. Thompson's take, rather than my own, but it's a good passage:

I watched that fight in Seattle—horribly twisted about four seats down the aisle from the Governor. A very painful experience in every way, a proper end to the sixties: Tim Leary a prisoner of Eldridge Cleaver in Algeria, Bob Dylan clipping coupons in Greenwich Village, both Kennedys murdered by mutants, Owsley folding napkins on Terminal Island, and finally Cassius/Ali belted incredibly off his pedestal by a human hamburger, a man on the verge of death. Joe Frazier, like Nixon, had finally prevailed for reasons that people like me refused to understand—at least not out loud ...

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2012, 12:54 AM

61. A few important dates:

Altamont December 6, 1969
Kent State May 4, l970
Jimi Hendrix September 18, 1970
Janice Joplin October 4, 1970
Jim Morrison July 3, 1971

Woodstock was fantastic, but by the end of 1969, it was all over. The 60's were only a decade after all. But, a tumultuous one.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2012, 01:11 AM

64. From April 4 to June 6, 1968. The finest visionaries of that generation had their brains blown out.

I'm willing to bet some sick fucks on Wall Street were laughing their heads off as these people were being gunned down, assured in their office towers and private country clubs and gated mansions that their power and wealth would never be threatened again by people who believed in social justice and equality and giving everyone a fair chance.



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Response to Selatius (Reply #64)

Sun May 20, 2012, 06:51 AM

66. You're right. They were the wind under our wings

But we're about to rectify that within the next decade. It won't happen overnight, but then, it didn't happen overnight in the 60s either.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #66)

Sun May 20, 2012, 12:07 PM

75. Bobby Kennedy is the best example of how things and people evolve. IIRC, RFK started out with

 

a reputation as a nasty little son of a bitch, Joseph McCarthy's staffperson and JFK's enforcer. But something happened to RFK after November 22, 1963 and it is indisputable that he had evolved into something truly awesome by the time of his New York Senatorial campaign. (There's this wonderful anecdote somewhere about how he and his aides were touring Bedford Stuyvesant and his aides did not want him to go see a really bad building there. RFK over-rode his aides and went over there to the building in person. When I read about that little gem, I started weeping and immediately forgave RFK all his previous sins and hubris.)

RFK may have personally kept Indianapolis from going up in flames after MLK was assassinated, such was the moral authority he came to wield among the nation's dispossessed.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #75)

Sun May 20, 2012, 01:48 PM

77. Great story!

They were the right men at the right time. Unfortunately they made enemies because of it.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2012, 09:15 AM

69. December 6, 1969

 

The concert at Altamont Motor Speedway in California.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2012, 10:25 AM

70. I Graduated College in 1975

and the incoming freshmen were more conservative than the departing seniors. The year the campuses started to turn is when I personally date the end of the 60s spirit.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2012, 12:15 PM

76. I thinkthat there

were four events that brought the curtain down. Most have already been mentioned. Here goes:

(1) The Manson Family murders;
(2) Kent State;
(3) Frazier vs Ali ("Fight of the Century";
(4) The 1972 presidential election.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2012, 06:19 PM

82. June, 1969. The Students for a Democratic Society convention in Chicago.

The biggest and most powerful student organization the U.S. has ever seen split into sectarian frenzy. Within months it was effectively gone from the scene.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2012, 06:28 PM

84. Late 70's for me

And once Reagan came in the 80's everything changed with his war on drugs.

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