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Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:04 PM

The BLM MOVEMENT is not the problem, A few agitators are.

I have a Black Lives Matter sign in my yard.
Those women throwing their temper tantrum in Seattle don't speak for me.
The problem is that we are allowing the discussion to proceed as if they did.

The whole thing is the swift boating of Bernie Sanders.

Just as the Swift Boat Liars managed to turn Kerry's honorable service into a liability
The faux few "protestors" want to negate lifetimes work by Bernie.


Before the majority of POC allow themselves to be deluded into opposing Bernie's campaign
they need examine the records of the candidate they would support instead.

We Bernie supporters need to refrain from being tricked into attacking BLM.
WE don't want to negate Bernie's lifetimes work either.

The whole damned MEME just smells like a Rovian shit storm.

It helps nothing.

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Reply The BLM MOVEMENT is not the problem, A few agitators are. (Original post)
Vincardog Aug 2015 OP
Vincardog Aug 2015 #1
peacebird Aug 2015 #2
Maedhros Aug 2015 #3
Vincardog Aug 2015 #5
Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #4
Hydra Aug 2015 #6
Vincardog Aug 2015 #7
daredtowork Aug 2015 #20
Vincardog Aug 2015 #21
MinM Aug 2015 #8
romanic Aug 2015 #9
pnwmom Aug 2015 #22
hay rick Aug 2015 #10
Downwinder Aug 2015 #11
cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #12
uponit7771 Aug 2015 #13
Vincardog Aug 2015 #14
yuiyoshida Aug 2015 #15
Vincardog Aug 2015 #16
yuiyoshida Aug 2015 #17
moondust Aug 2015 #18
Vincardog Aug 2015 #19
Vincardog Aug 2015 #23
tabasco Aug 2015 #24
Vincardog Aug 2015 #25
tabasco Aug 2015 #26
Vincardog Aug 2015 #27

Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:11 PM

1. Shameless self kick and R. What do you think?

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:11 PM

2. It appears that Marissa wanted to be groomed by the GOP....

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:23 PM

3. My grandchildren will be black, so this shit matters to me.

 

I think BLM would benefit from some message control.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:29 PM

5. That is the problem with Movements. There is no one in control. Who speaks for Black is Beautiful?

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:26 PM

4. You are right these trolls represent BLM far less than the leader that spoke at the event as a guest

they are trolls plane and simple. I may agree with the message, but the way they went about it is harmful not helpful to the movement they claim to support. Trolls are trolls no matter what side they are on and they always want to silence other voices rather than engage with them.

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:35 PM

6. BLM is not the only way to get it done

In fact, their actions are pretty much going the opposite direction, and dragging the movement down in the process.

We need to address police brutality and racial injustice and a host of other issues. BLM could have been a strong part of the movement, like the flag coming down moment. Instead they exposed themselves as partisan operatives.

If the main BLM leadership disavowed the event in Seattle, that may have made a difference. Instead they are owning it via their silence and shutting down the apology. If they are swift boating, and it is not officially disavowed by the organization, support should and will be withdrawn and redirected to a more honest set of champions.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:42 PM

7. As I said, there are no leaders. That is why a few agitators are getting away with acting

as if they speak for everybody. The NAACP and SPLC should come out and support Bertie now.
They are actual organizations with spokesmen and leaders. Where are they?
If they allow the agitators to go unanswered they own the results.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:32 PM

20. Alicia Garza and Patrisse Cullors, founders of the hashtag, could make a statement

Alicia Garza even invokes "white supremacy" in her essays, so I think her position on this would be important:

http://www.thefeministwire.com/2014/10/blacklivesmatter-2/

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Response to daredtowork (Reply #20)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:34 PM

21. OK ask her to do it.

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 05:21 PM

8. Agent provocateurs

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 05:28 PM

9. I've made it a point to call these women "outliers"

disruptors, agents, whatever else to separate them from the BLM itself. However if any other BLM chapter doesn't say anything or approve of what they did; well they truly lost me and will lose more with this bullcrap.

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Response to romanic (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:38 PM

22. Unfortunately, the head of the NAACP and a WA State Senator who were there

think there was fault on both sides -- that, in the words of the Senator, the crowd got ugly. And the Seattle Times reported that during the 4 minute silence, there were people shouting obscenities.

So should Bernie people expect to get apologies from BLM for possibly rogue operators -- but not apologize for the Bernie people who were shouting obscenities?

For all we know, the whole thing might have been a set-up -- both the BLM/Sarah Palin fans AND the obscenity shouters might have been part of the same dirty trick.

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:23 PM

10. Narcissists do not speak for anyone but themselves.

The media prefers to make these people representatives for BLM. It's a twofer...discredit BLM as dysfunctional attention-seekers and support the claim that Bernie has a race problem.

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:41 PM

11. Silence is affirmation.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:50 PM

12. BLM are owning it.

 

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:42 PM

13. +1

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:45 PM

14. Thank U

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:47 PM

15. Some where I read something on DU

about a woman wearing a "Sarah Palin" button on her back pack..did anyone else see that or am I imagining it?

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:10 PM

16. That was from her history. She also posted on FB that the GOP should have "groomed" her better.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:13 PM

17. Thanks...

I knew I read that some where.

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:29 PM

18. Hijackers.

If BLM is a "leaderless" movement then is there anybody with any credibility to disavow the twisted behavior of (paid?) troublemakers acting independently under that banner?

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Response to moondust (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:32 PM

19. evidently not.

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 06:37 PM

23. Thanks to everyone who shared in this thread.

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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 06:46 PM

24. I think that's pretty accurate

 

But somebody in the "movement" better make sure everybody understands that those asswipes don't represent them.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 07:04 PM

25. I believe that the owners of the label are maintaining that those poor girls deserve respect.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 07:26 PM

26. In order to get respect, you have to give respect. n/t

 

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Response to tabasco (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 09:57 PM

27. No they DESERVE it.

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