You can go to prison due to fetal personhood laws.

[gollygee]

[smirkymonkey]

1. K&R

[DirkGently]

2. YES. Republicans don't like to talk about

... what this "personhood" push really means. All of those scenarios would flow from that framework. I believe there already is a woman in prison in Indiana (?) accused of murder for what she says was a miscarriage.

A woman died in Ireland not long ago because the abortion that could have saved her life was illegal.

This is what candidates like Huckabee and Rubio and Walker, and other "mainstream" Republicans like Paul Ryan are proposing:

Charging women with crimes like assault and murder based on how they handle their pregnancies.

Everyone needs to start asking these psychopaths what the world they are trying to create would look like, and why that should be okay with anyone.

[Gothmog]

3. These laws are bad policy

[Proud Liberal Dem]

4. Don't forget

At least one state (Alabama) appoints lawyers for fetuses now.

[NotoriousRBG]

5. Why do they all have the same booking number?

[yeoman6987]

6. It probably a this could happen in America if GOP

Wins anymore elections. These are just examples of the future.

[Lars39]

8. These have already happened.

[yeoman6987]

15. In what country?

[mercuryblues]

20. some chiling examples

Some chilling examples:

•A woman in Utah gave birth to twins. When one was stillborn, she was arrested and charged with criminal homicide based on the claim that the woman’s decision to refuse cesarean surgery was the cause of the stillbirth. Several hours after giving birth, and immediately after suffering the death of her child, she was forcibly taken from her hospital room to a jail cell.


•After a hearing that lasted less than a day, a court issued an order requiring a critically-ill pregnant woman who was refusing surgery in Washington, D.C. to undergo a cesarean. Neither she nor her baby survived.


•A judge in Ohio kept a woman imprisoned to prevent her from having an abortion.


•A woman in Oregon who did not comply with a doctor’s recommendation to have additional testing for gestational diabetes was subjected to involuntary civil commitment. During her detention, the additional testing was never performed.


•A Louisiana woman was charged with murder and spent approximately a year in jail before her counsel was able to show that what was deemed a murder of a fetus or newborn was actually a miscarriage that resulted from medication given to her by a health care provider.


•In Texas, a pregnant woman who sometimes smoked marijuana to ease nausea and boost her appetite gave birth to healthy twins. She was arrested for delivery of a controlled substance to a minor.


•A doctor in Wisconsin had concerns about a woman’s plans to have her birth attended by a midwife. As a result, a civil court order of protective custody for the woman’s fetus was obtained. The order authorized the sheriff’s department to take the woman into custody, transport her to a hospital, and subject her to involuntary testing and medical treatment.

http://personhoodforwomen.org/this-is-what-legal-abortion-looks-like.php

[yeoman6987]

23. Yikes!!!! Some of those are astonishing.

[DirkGently]

24. Jesus.

Barbaric.

What is wrong with people?

[davidpdx]

27. I think the personhood laws are completely unnecessary and an invasion of a woman's privacy

I would caution though some of the information may be iffy. I'm seeing the same exact information appears in several different articles, but the main source all of them are relying on is Paltrow, L.M. & Flavin, J. in the Journal of Health Politics, Policy, and Law (full reference below). As I couldn't find any other articles regarding the Oregon case, which I was interested in. I don't have access to this journal, but am interested to see some supporting proof on the case in Oregon. I'm not saying it's not true, just that I see nothing backing it up.


Paltrow, L.M. & Flavin, J. (2013). Arrests of and forced interventions on pregnant women in the United States, 1973–2005: Implications for women's legal status and public health. Journal of Health Politics, Policy, and Law 2013, 38(2), 299-343. doi: 10.1215/03616878-1966324

[PeaceNikki]

28. Probably this one

http://www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/docs/A101430.htm

[davidpdx]

29. Good find

I believe it is true.

[PeaceNikki]

30. But it looks like it was reversed

In any case, these personhood laws are a real threat to women and the point of the graphic on the OP and the link with these cases is to demonstrate how they can, are and will be used to reduce women to broodmares.

[davidpdx]

31. Yes, very true

The reason I was curious is because Oregon doesn't have specific person-hood laws that I know of. It looks like the case was an isolated incident. The fact that the judge overturned it proves the law was on her side.

[cui bono]

9. Those are just pics for the ad campaign, not the actual cases/women.

I was thinking it would have been better if they had made signs with different numbers but then people might have thought they were trying to pass them off as real victims. I think this way it's clear that these are not actual victims but the pics were taken to make the point.

[Lars39]

17. Iirc, the 2 middle scenarios have actually happened.

Same background in photos just give a better finished look.

[Dont call me Shirley]

7. Just where the misogynists, that includes women-hating women, want them.

[WinkyDink]

10. These photos are "staged" per this website explaining and givng even WORSE examples:

http://personhoodforwomen.org/this-is-what-legal-abortion-looks-like.php

[cui bono]

11. This is really disgusting. How are those laws allowed to stand?

Abortion is legal in this country dammit. How do these misogynist thugs keep getting around that?

[former9thward]

14. The pictures are fake.

No one is in jail for having an abortion. In some states prosecutors use these laws to charge a person when they kill a pregnant woman. One charge for the woman and one for the fetus. They can't be used in an abortion context. Another example of posting something that is not true on the internet to generate faux outrage.

[mercuryblues]

21. some examples

http://personhoodforwomen.org/this-is-what-legal-abortion-looks-like.php


•A woman in Utah gave birth to twins. When one was stillborn, she was arrested and charged with criminal homicide based on the claim that the woman’s decision to refuse cesarean surgery was the cause of the stillbirth. Several hours after giving birth, and immediately after suffering the death of her child, she was forcibly taken from her hospital room to a jail cell.


•After a hearing that lasted less than a day, a court issued an order requiring a critically-ill pregnant woman who was refusing surgery in Washington, D.C. to undergo a cesarean. Neither she nor her baby survived.


•A judge in Ohio kept a woman imprisoned to prevent her from having an abortion.


•A woman in Oregon who did not comply with a doctor’s recommendation to have additional testing for gestational diabetes was subjected to involuntary civil commitment. During her detention, the additional testing was never performed.

[former9thward]

32. I went to your link.

Nothing but allegations. No proof that any of this actually happened. As the fake photos prove you can post anything on the internet.

[mercuryblues]

33. all of them

are easily googled.

so are these Burton vs Florida A woman was court ordered on bed rest after the hospital refused to let her leave for a 2nd opinion. 3 days into her confinement she had an emergency C-section and the fetus was dead. She did not have a lawyer and the hearing was held over the phone.

https://www.aclu.org/cases/burton-v-florida

https://feminocracy.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/and-now-you-know-the-rest-of-the-story/

Pa Mom arrested for supplying abortion pills for her daughter, at her request

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/07/ann-whalen-abortion-daughter_n_5777120.html

Mother arrested for taking her 13 year old daughter for abortion after she was raped

http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_off/mother-indicted-after-taking-sexual-assault-victim-daughter-to-have-abortion/

Pregnant woman arrested for falling down stairs

http://www.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2010/03/02/woman-in-iowa-arrested-for-falling-down-the-stairs-while-pregnant

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/arrested-having-miscarriage-7-appalling-instances-where-pregnant-women-were

http://www.thenation.com/article/women-are-being-arrested-and-jailed-self-abortion/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-arrested-on-murder-charges-after-reportedly-taking-abortion-pills-10309979.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/georgia-abortion-pill-charged-2152460-Jun2015/

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/magazine/111368/the-rise-diy-abortions

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/magazine/111368/the-rise-diy-abortions

[yeoman6987]

16. The entire constitution is under attack

1st, 2nd. 14th and many more. We're I. Trouble in this country.

[ncjustice80]

19. Well, the 2nd is really a GOP problem. I wouldn't mind it going away.

[yeoman6987]

22. Well I'm sure. And after that goes it will be easier to get

rid of others. You know the old saying be careful what you wish for. It may happen.

[ncjustice80]

25. Slavery was once a constitutional right as well, and I don't see anyone missing that.

Slippery slope is a logical fallacy.

[yeoman6987]

26. Not comparable but thanks for the effort

[RoccoR5955]

12. So when are these personhood laws

going to make male masturbation illegal? After all, they are killing literally MILLIONS of unborn babies!

[valerief]

13. It's revolting how much the GOP HATES HATES HATES women. I wonder if any men go to prison

for this shit.

[ncjustice80]

18. Wow, disgusting.

What states did this happen in? is there any kind of legal defense fund for these poor women?