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kpete

(71,981 posts)
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 11:23 AM Dec 2011

But Then It Was Too Late...

But Then It Was Too Late

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"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security.....................

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

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the rest:
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

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But Then It Was Too Late... (Original Post) kpete Dec 2011 OP
Too true... CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2011 #1
Helpless? surfdog Dec 2011 #3
For many in the country polmaven Dec 2011 #6
When Obama was elected 99th_Monkey Dec 2011 #10
What people do not understand is: that in the name of progress fasttense Dec 2011 #15
Our vote has been taken away.. girl gone mad Dec 2011 #11
1000% n/t sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #13
People WANTED to vote for Obama Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #16
Here's my ray of hope BlueToTheBone Dec 2011 #5
Norman Solomon in N. Cal is also a ray of hope. roody Dec 2011 #7
Occupy nt Zorra Dec 2011 #9
everyone should read that book justabob Dec 2011 #2
Anyone willing to adress it is Assassinated or deemed orpupilofnature57 Dec 2011 #4
K&R. Very relevant to our situation. Overseas Dec 2011 #8
Excellent, excellent post. Zenlitened Dec 2011 #12
Thank you. Overseas Dec 2011 #14
Nothing to see here! DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #17
 

surfdog

(624 posts)
3. Helpless?
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 11:36 AM
Dec 2011

Not until our vote is taken away.

The main problem in America is straight up ignorance. A problem of our own making

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
10. When Obama was elected
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 02:43 PM
Dec 2011

I wondered how that could have happened, since so much had been revealed about "hacking the vote" with Republican-owned voting machines.

This ^ is ^ how ^ our ^ vote ^ has ^ already ^ been ^ taken ^ away; along with the whole Voter ID scam by Repukes.

After Obama's first year in office, seeing how most of his campaign promises were evaporating and the nation was being led down the same old
failed-policy road as it was before, I understood.

Don't get me wrong. I DO still vote myself; as I'm not to cynical as to believe that if the turn-out is massive enough, it can overcome hacking
the vote. which may help explain how Obama was elected <-- I'd like to believe this, but am not totally convinced of that either.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
15. What people do not understand is: that in the name of progress
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 11:36 AM
Dec 2011

the congress pushed states to adopt the electronic voting machines, (holding up funding if they did not purchase them.) Then set about working on methods of programing the software to flip every so many votes (3rd or 4th or 6th). This method along with insisting that the vote be routed through certain locations, allowed them to monitor how the election was developing IN REAL TIME so that they could adjust the vote count to select the candidate the power brokers (like the Koch Brothers) want.

This is why in the 2008 election, the vote count from Ohio had to be routed through Chatanooga, TN.

Now please, can someone tell me why on God's green Earth would the votes from Ohio have to FIRST be routed through a state so far south and then be sent back to the origional state for reporting to the public?????? Ohio can't count it's own votes??

NO, the fix is in people and the votes DO NOT COUNT.

I think it was Stalin that said "it's not who votes that counts,..... it's WHO COUNTS THE VOTES"

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
11. Our vote has been taken away..
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 07:43 PM
Dec 2011

unless you believe that voting for an avowed Democrat only to wind up with an extremist neoliberal administration represents true enfranchisement.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
5. Here's my ray of hope
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 11:41 AM
Dec 2011
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/campaigns/4286
Please become a supporter. Ken is the most progressive democratic candidate I've met since Lynn Woolsey. Please help us get him elected to tear down some of that veil!
We need 150 supporters by the end of the year.

justabob

(3,069 posts)
2. everyone should read that book
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 11:36 AM
Dec 2011

From cover to cover, it is full of insights as important and relevant as the quotes you provided.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
4. Anyone willing to adress it is Assassinated or deemed
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 11:37 AM
Dec 2011

Anti -American or worst of all irrelevent. It's the piano trick ,moving it 1 degree a day for a year,and being most people are a certain degree Apathetic ,it seeps in.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
8. K&R. Very relevant to our situation.
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 12:35 PM
Dec 2011

The push to the right has been incremental and broad ranging over the past 30 years. Push Democrats to compromise on media ownership and get them to buy into "welfare fraud" as a big concern and start chipping away at our social safety nets. Get Democrats to talk "free trade" dogma instead of telling the truth about how such an approach would bankrupt our country by sending most of our manufacturing overseas and undercutting the strongest champion of the 99%-- organized labor. Get Democrats to loosen up on financial regulations designed to prevent massive fraud in order to tap into the big money needed to win more campaigns. Get Democrats to talk noble bipartisan compromise to cover up the undermining of Democratic values again and again.

I really thought the war crimes of the Bush gang and the massive fraud that crashed our economy would have given Democratic legislators the bravery to crush Republican supply-side (aka 1%) policies once and for all. "Our people have lost their savings and are being evicted from their homes-- Medicare for All now! Our infrastructure is crumbling-- bridges have collapsed, dams are breaking, utility systems are decades old-- repairing them all will give people jobs they need right now!"

I didn't realize how deeply the corruption had seeped into our mainstream. That the deregulating of media and high finance and war profiteering had gone so far that not enough Democratic legislators would band together as a block to crush modern Republicanism a.k.a. Pro-Multinational-Corporatism once and for all.

I thought that surely even the top one percent had grandchildren and would want an excuse to rebalance our economy and stop devastating climate change by being "forced" to go green with a massive jobs program and "forced" to go compassionate with national health insurance because so many evictions in the richest country on earth would be too much to bear. I thought Democrats would be allowed to push a return to demand-side economics because the Top One Percent knew they had gone too far in destroying our country with the Bush gang and might want their grandchildren to live in a beautiful, healthy country with great infrastructure and efficient energy use to save oil for generations to come.

Why would they persist in burning down the house? I guess each destructive force thinks that on its own it is not so bad. And all the greed was cloaked in great all-American propaganda-- free market, voluntary self-regulation, personal responsibility (for the 99% only), etc.

I could go on with my amazement-- I really did think that surely, this is it! in 2009 the Republican failures would be faced and crushed head-on. No more lying. Between the torturing and the financial fraud, they were toast. Finally America would come around. The pendulum had swung so far into crazyland with the Bush gang, the Democrats would now be able to bring our country closer to balance and get on with massive green projects to conserve oil use because we all know we need it to last for our children's children... we use oil for so much besides fueling our cars...

So I've really been in a kind of shock since seeing bipartisan compromise as the main approach, since seeing the genteel pretending that Democrats could work with the party whose main goal was games-- crushing the opponent even if it meant crushing 99% of the population.



Overseas

(12,121 posts)
14. Thank you.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 11:30 AM
Dec 2011

I wish more people could read the book excerpt. It is quite eerie and relevant to our times.

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