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kpete

(71,900 posts)
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 09:57 AM Sep 2015

FOUND: The source of Carly Fiorina's fetus claim

Last edited Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:38 AM - Edit history (4)

SUN SEP 27, 2015 AT 09:51 PM PDT
FOUND: The source of Carly Fiorina's fetus claim
by Old Redneck


Her story is bullshit of the highest order -- HOWEVER -- there is a tiny element of truth in the story.

Turns out, what she saw was a video of an infant that had been born prematurely at 19 weeks and that did not survive.

Here is the mom who gave birth to the premature baby: https://f2photographybylexi.wordpress.com/2013/06/26/walter-joshua-fretz/
By the mother's own description, the baby lived only a few minutes after birth.
There was no dissection and no one was "harvesting the baby's brain," fetal tissue, or any organs.

The mom by her own admission is in on the scam that has been spreading. Her name is Lexi Oliver Fretz and she is a pro lifer. She has a Facebook page where she admits giving permission to the Center for Medical Progress to use her dead child's photo and while she knows the photo is being used deceptively, she is okay with this because as she puts it, "the reason is to save the lives of the unborn". She also admits to giving Carly Fiorina permission to use her son's photo in her fight for the unborn".

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/28/1425455/-FOUND-The-source-of-Carly-Fiorina-s-fetus-claim



Just found this too



As for the falsified video and images, doctors and OB/GYN collectively confirmed it is not an aborted fetus, rather a premature birth. Below is a quote from a OB/GYN’s blog, doctors findings and how this conclusion was formed:

“I believe it is a premature delivery. I reached that conclusion from 25 years of clinical practice in OB/GYN. I decided to ask nine other OB/GYNs what they thought about the clip, meaning I put a lot more effort into getting the facts than the politicians who voted to defund Planned Parenthood. All nine OB/GYNs agree with me. Several are OB/GYns who have done advanced training in family planning and so are experts in the field.


MORE:
https://proabortionprolife.wordpress.com/2015/09/22/images-of-miscarriage-used-by-antis-against-planned-parenthood/



Lexi Oliver Fretz
September 25 at 6:39am · Edited ·

Walter is helping to fight for the unborn and we are proud to call him our son. We are proud that God entrusted this tiny life to us for such a short time. For such a time as this, Walter was placed on this earth to make a huge impact and God is using Walter to fulfill HIS purpose for HIS glory!

***and for the record Carly Fiorina also has my full permission to use Walter's photos in her fight for the unborn!

https://www.facebook.com/lexifretz/posts/10153650234658781?pnref=story
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FOUND: The source of Carly Fiorina's fetus claim (Original Post) kpete Sep 2015 OP
Send this all over social media right fugging NOW malaise Sep 2015 #1
needs a better headline to ensure that Carly got permission from mom to use photo. riversedge Sep 2015 #5
Well let DUers come up with a good headline malaise Sep 2015 #8
If the facts don't fit, make them up so they do. -none Sep 2015 #2
credibility with the premature baby's mother, apparently, who is happy to have her dead son used BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2015 #53
OK, there IS a "fully formed fetus," then, but all the rest is BS wordpix Sep 2015 #3
It was a miscarrrage -mom gave permission for Carly to use photo-yes, rest was LIE- riversedge Sep 2015 #7
It was a premature delivery vankuria Sep 2015 #10
Miscarrage is before 20 wks--yes it did riversedge Sep 2015 #16
They defamed Planned Parenthood so they just opened themselves up to a Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #50
It is Carly who is responsible and she riversedge Sep 2015 #51
There is a dead premature 19 week fetus - no abortion here malaise Sep 2015 #12
If it was born, then it's no longer a fetus. Major Nikon Sep 2015 #22
And The Rest of The BS..... cynzke Sep 2015 #69
Whow: If true--then Carly Fiorina KNEW it was a lie for sure. whow riversedge Sep 2015 #4
this needs to be spread far and wide! bbgrunt Sep 2015 #6
k and r. riversedge Sep 2015 #72
This needs to spread all over the internet, media and beyond! vankuria Sep 2015 #9
Harvesting WAS done. kpete Sep 2015 #13
I didn't say anything about vankuria Sep 2015 #15
I know kpete Sep 2015 #17
Thank-you for clarifying vankuria Sep 2015 #18
Here's a link to her facebook page vankuria Sep 2015 #11
Okay, I was totally expecting the goatse link.... n/t TygrBright Sep 2015 #14
That's disgusting on so many levels. procon Sep 2015 #19
But but but.... robbob Sep 2015 #29
where is that video though hfojvt Sep 2015 #20
Element of truth? Geronimoe Sep 2015 #21
Highly recommended. Duval Sep 2015 #23
I have been searching under kpete Sep 2015 #24
Bullshit Mountain? Scientists have discovered the location of Bullshit Mountain! A great day it is! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #25
Um, doesn't the Bible say something JoDog Sep 2015 #26
And since this child died immediately after birth how is this jwirr Sep 2015 #27
... OneGrassRoot Sep 2015 #40
Thank you for telling your story and.... usaf-vet Sep 2015 #43
words don't cut it, but... thank you and Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #66
Well isn't that special! marym625 Sep 2015 #28
Proof that one can LIE Plucketeer Sep 2015 #30
post bomb her facebook page? saturnsring Sep 2015 #31
I'd leave her facebook page alone vankuria Sep 2015 #41
I don't think that is appropriate PatSeg Sep 2015 #42
this has been sent all over the social network but the MSM is conveniently ignoring it. Will Rachel kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #32
Since Planned parenthood is going to testify tomorrow........................... turbinetree Sep 2015 #33
And the Lord said unto Carly Geronimoe Sep 2015 #34
I went to this woman's website, lots of photos of Walter..and she is selling them! You can buy secondwind Sep 2015 #35
I'm sure she justfies it somehow TexasBushwhacker Sep 2015 #47
If you want to fight for the unborn Glaisne Sep 2015 #36
If you want to fight for the unborn AlbertCat Sep 2015 #38
"God is using Walter to fulfill HIS purpose for HIS glory! " AlbertCat Sep 2015 #37
If It's Right To Life, Carly, Or The GOP, It's A Lie! NonMetro Sep 2015 #39
Carly is a liar Gothmog Sep 2015 #44
Stubbornly repeat the LIES over and over and over and over without flinching and L. Coyote Sep 2015 #45
Scary. Delphinus Sep 2015 #55
Perhaps someone harvested RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #46
Religious insanity. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #48
Sounds like fraud to me. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #49
Only if Democrats commit it jmowreader Sep 2015 #58
I don't like the tactics of the pro-life people, lying does not give them any credit with me. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #52
Thanks for posting, kpete! Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #54
So now lying is all part of God's plan. Unknown Beatle Sep 2015 #56
Lying for Jesus. paleotn Sep 2015 #57
And This Is What Passes For Deeply Held Religious Feelings? DallasNE Sep 2015 #59
God killed her baby svpadgham Sep 2015 #60
but this happens all the time- the damage is done! certainot Sep 2015 #61
So, turns out the only people doing offensive things to that "fetus" were the pro-lifers. SunSeeker Sep 2015 #62
Remember the unwritten political rule: King_Klonopin Sep 2015 #63
Carly is Don Quiote Geronimoe Sep 2015 #64
I LOVE YOU! SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #65
CarLIE Fiorina, at it again. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #67
The Big Lie Strategy of Hitler, Coming to a GOP near you Demeter Sep 2015 #68
K&Rnt stage left Sep 2015 #70
It takes a whole bunch of lies to defend her up-stream lies. DhhD Sep 2015 #71
What is the "tiny element of truth in the story"? red dog 1 Sep 2015 #73
K & R Scurrilous Sep 2015 #74

malaise

(267,801 posts)
8. Well let DUers come up with a good headline
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:13 AM
Sep 2015

I'll donate a bag of blue mountain coffee for the best headline

-none

(1,884 posts)
2. If the facts don't fit, make them up so they do.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:04 AM
Sep 2015

How does "Pro-life" have any credibility with anyone anymore?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
53. credibility with the premature baby's mother, apparently, who is happy to have her dead son used
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 05:21 PM
Sep 2015

by the conservative lie machine for the purpose of killing women who need safe, legal care.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
3. OK, there IS a "fully formed fetus," then, but all the rest is BS
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:04 AM
Sep 2015

no legs kicking, being held down while its brain is harvested.

riversedge

(69,715 posts)
51. It is Carly who is responsible and she
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 02:23 PM
Sep 2015

should be the one held responsible also. But agree--hope PP goes after this group

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
69. And The Rest of The BS.....
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 07:45 AM
Sep 2015

I believe that the narrative by Holly O'Donnell involves TWO separate fetuses and CMP spliced HO's narrative to make it seem like one. See the link from Fox news. It reveals the KEY clues that are overlooked in other articles. The first part of O'Donnell's narrative, she describes the "most gestated" fetus she had ever seen. Remember, HO only worked for StemExpress for approx. 34 days over a span of six months. She was by no means an expert. This fetus is the one whose heart began to beat when HO's co-worker, Jessica, taps the chest wall. In many pro-life news articles, Jessica is attributed as the "abortionist", but that is not true and I think in many cases an intended lie. Jessica was O'Donnell's supervisor from StemExpress. As O'Donnell's narrative proceeds, she describes in gruesome detail having to procure fetal brain tissue but THIS is where the subtle EDITING takes place to DECEIVE viewers. In the Fox link below, Holly O'Donnell describes (what I believe to be a second fetus) as “It wasn’t completely torn up. And its nose was very pronounced. It had eyelids. Its mouth was pronounced.” The first part of HO's narrative, the fetus is intact and the second part the fetus is torn up. That would be expected with some surgical abortions. But the video is spliced into a seamless narrative so that the viewer is led to believe a fully intact "live fetus" was dissected. In reality, brain tissue was recovered from a DEAD fetus that was torn up by the abortion procedure.

Film editing does not mean just cutting material, it also involves organizing material, rearranging to achieve a goal.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/19/baby-heart-still-beating-after-abortion-doctor-says-in-new-anti-abortion-video/

riversedge

(69,715 posts)
4. Whow: If true--then Carly Fiorina KNEW it was a lie for sure. whow
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:06 AM
Sep 2015



.... She also admits to giving Carly Fiorina permission to use her son's photo in her fight for the unborn".
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/28/1425455/-FOUND-The-source-of-Carly-Fiorina-s-fetus-claim

vankuria

(901 posts)
9. This needs to spread all over the internet, media and beyond!
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:19 AM
Sep 2015

I'll be writing to the major news networks as this story must be heard! The mom in question is sick to use the image of her stillborn baby in a lie, its just shocking, tragic and disgusting

Anti abortion groups have been using these images since their inception so in all likelihood it will not prevent anyone from seeking abortion services, but it will show a baby being used by it's parents for pure evil.

Shame on this woman! And the fact that she has used social media to explain why she is lying makes it ok to expose her for the fraud she is.

kpete

(71,900 posts)
13. Harvesting WAS done.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:27 AM
Sep 2015

It was just done by pro-life groups.

It was just images that were exploited and not brains.




vankuria

(901 posts)
15. I didn't say anything about
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:35 AM
Sep 2015

harvesting organs, brains, etc. The image in question is of a baby delivered at 19 weeks, the baby was fully formed and that's the image that's being used in the video to bring down PP. The birth didn't happen at PP and was not an abortion. What I did say and should have been more specific is anti abortion groups get hold of these images of stillborn babies and use them for their own purposes, this is not the first time, in fact I see them protesting in front of our local PP using these images on their signs.

procon

(15,805 posts)
19. That's disgusting on so many levels.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:49 AM
Sep 2015

Republicans can't win without lying, cheating, swindling or bamboozling voters.

And even when they do win, they refuse to govern because that would mean leaving the kiddie table and actually trying to act like an adult and negotiate with their counterparts to achieve a compromise that results in a successful solution.

robbob

(3,514 posts)
29. But but but....
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 11:25 AM
Sep 2015

Al Gore said he invented the Internet in his garage using Lego blocks!

How come that LIE was spread far and wide by our wonderful media while Repugs are allowed to get away with this kind of crap.

Never mind, don't answer, I already know the game is rigged.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
20. where is that video though
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:52 AM
Sep 2015

it's not, I am guessing, a part of the general "Planned Parenthood" video.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
21. Element of truth?
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 11:02 AM
Sep 2015

No there isn't an element of truth at all. This like Collin Powel's artist renditions of WMDs in Iraq. Only thing real are the sketches, but there were no WMDs in Iraq.

No one is putting aborted fetuses on life support to harvest brains. It is a lie and Carly is a big fat liar.

The ramification of her lies are to end life saving medical care for women of low income. How is this Pro-life?

JoDog

(1,353 posts)
26. Um, doesn't the Bible say something
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 11:21 AM
Sep 2015

about bearing false witness? AKA lying?

How is breaking a commandment working for "HIS purpose for HIS glory!"?

Makes no sense to this Jew.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
27. And since this child died immediately after birth how is this
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 11:23 AM
Sep 2015

different than when we donated as many parts of our 5 year old as we could after he died?

Somewhere someone is alive because of our 5 year old and we will never regret helping them.

usaf-vet

(6,094 posts)
43. Thank you for telling your story and....
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 12:39 PM
Sep 2015

with it making a wonderful counter argument to the lies often told about tissue and organ harvesting from individuals who have died. May God bless you and your child for the gift of life to others.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
28. Well isn't that special!
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 11:24 AM
Sep 2015

Giving a politician permission to use a picture, and outright lie about what is happening, to help defund and demonize a group that does nothing but help people.

This fucking piece of shit is actually glorifying a lied filled with despicable horror, saying that is "HIS glory." She doesn't believe in God. "God" doesn't advocate lying. You don't get to pick and choose what lie is okay.

I hope she's happy, damning herself, by lying about and using her son, to eternal hell fire. (I don't believe in any of that. But if she actually believes in the Christian religion, any of them, that's what she is doing)

vankuria

(901 posts)
41. I'd leave her facebook page alone
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 12:24 PM
Sep 2015

She's admitting everything there, if people gang up on her she'll delete it.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
32. this has been sent all over the social network but the MSM is conveniently ignoring it. Will Rachel
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 11:31 AM
Sep 2015

cover this and will many people be watching???

turbinetree

(24,632 posts)
33. Since Planned parenthood is going to testify tomorrow...........................
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 11:40 AM
Sep 2015

then all the players in this scam (Center for Medical Progress) should be brought before Congress and testify under oath, even the HP former CEO-------------end of story

You want to play a disingenuous game with people, then so be it and let the cards fall where they may-------------------Planned Parenthood has been pretty forthright and upfront on this matter where is CMP and Carly Fiorina's claim---bring them in, and Lexi Oliver Fretz under oath






 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
34. And the Lord said unto Carly
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 11:44 AM
Sep 2015

Your personal accumulation of the almighty dollar justifies the means.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
35. I went to this woman's website, lots of photos of Walter..and she is selling them! You can buy
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 11:47 AM
Sep 2015

these pics...

WHY would she be selling photos of an 8 oz. fetus?

Glaisne

(513 posts)
36. If you want to fight for the unborn
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 12:01 PM
Sep 2015

then fight for a better world for them to be born in. Rather than fighting for forced births.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
37. "God is using Walter to fulfill HIS purpose for HIS glory! "
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 12:01 PM
Sep 2015

Carly Fiorina is god?????.... and a man too????!!!!!

Lying and deception is OK with god, y'see.

NonMetro

(631 posts)
39. If It's Right To Life, Carly, Or The GOP, It's A Lie!
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 12:09 PM
Sep 2015

Republicans are pretending they didn't know anything about this 3 year smear campaign by this liars of liars RTL group called "center for medical progress". So, they are now pretending to be shocked! Outraged! etc., as if they haven't been against Planned Parenthood ever since it was founded. Well. I'd say they not only knew about it, they helped plan and finance it. In fact, the whole thing was probably the idea of the RNC in cahoots with the Koch brothers. What we're seeing here is the work of more proud graduates of the Richard M. Nixon school of dirty tricks.

And Carly Fiorina is on the board! No wonder the employees at HP couldn't stand her. She's one nasty poor excuse for a human being!

Oh, and Donald Trump was right about one thing: listening to Carly Fiorina speak for 20 minutes really does give a person a headache!

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
45. Stubbornly repeat the LIES over and over and over and over without flinching and
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 12:58 PM
Sep 2015

some idiots will always fall for the falsehood because they want to believe the lies.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
46. Perhaps someone harvested
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 01:03 PM
Sep 2015

Carly's brain when she was conceived? Maybe it was her use of drugs in college?
At any rate, too bad, in some cases, abortion can't be retroactive.

jmowreader

(50,447 posts)
58. Only if Democrats commit it
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 09:31 PM
Sep 2015

Republicans, banksters and big bidnessmen can commit all the fraud they want and that's fine.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
52. I don't like the tactics of the pro-life people, lying does not give them any credit with me.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 02:24 PM
Sep 2015

This is vile and disgusting, they want to portray abortion as being bad, their actions is over the top.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
56. So now lying is all part of God's plan.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 07:51 PM
Sep 2015

Fretz is saying that Walter died to fulfill God's purpose, which happens to be lying about how Walter actually died and to lie about abortions. In right wing world, it makes perfect sense.

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
59. And This Is What Passes For Deeply Held Religious Feelings?
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:29 PM
Sep 2015

What book are they reading. Does the Bible say the ends justifies the means? While I am no expert, I don't think so.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
61. but this happens all the time- the damage is done!
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:24 AM
Sep 2015

there are 1000 radio stations and 400 rw blowhards that will NEVER correct this -

they were given this bullshit on a silver platter and rechewed it every day for weeks so when she repeats it it is with the knowledge that it's been pounded into the earholes of 50 million a week- that makes it 'true'

they're all operating within the same alternate reality- a talk radio reality that only exists because the left ignores it

until the left stops ignoring the right's best weapon they can keep doing this kind of crap over and over

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
62. So, turns out the only people doing offensive things to that "fetus" were the pro-lifers.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:34 AM
Sep 2015

Disgusting.

King_Klonopin

(1,305 posts)
63. Remember the unwritten political rule:
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:38 AM
Sep 2015

Republicans are allowed to lie

Blatantly

Egregiously

Repeatedly

Shamelessly

Without ever suffering serious consequences.

Fiorina's theatrics that night were disgusting -- especially given that
she knows her claims were pure bullshit.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
64. Carly is Don Quiote
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 01:27 AM
Sep 2015

She is fighting windmills, appearing to be completely mad in her effort to win the lunatic base of evangelical voters.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
68. The Big Lie Strategy of Hitler, Coming to a GOP near you
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 07:34 AM
Sep 2015

Despicable! They all should be sued for fraud and asset-stripped.

red dog 1

(27,647 posts)
73. What is the "tiny element of truth in the story"?
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 01:57 PM
Sep 2015

What (Fiorina) saw was a vidoo of an infant that had been prematurely at 19 weeks and that did not survive."

NOT an aborted fetus, but a 19 week old "infant" that had been born prematurely.

I don't see "the tiny element of truth in the story"...where is it?

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