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SUN SEP 27, 2015 AT 09:51 PM PDT
FOUND: The source of Carly Fiorina's fetus claim
by Old Redneck
Her story is bullshit of the highest order -- HOWEVER -- there is a tiny element of truth in the story.
Turns out, what she saw was a video of an infant that had been born prematurely at 19 weeks and that did not survive.
Here is the mom who gave birth to the premature baby: https://f2photographybylexi.wordpress.com/2013/06/26/walter-joshua-fretz/
By the mother's own description, the baby lived only a few minutes after birth.
There was no dissection and no one was "harvesting the baby's brain," fetal tissue, or any organs.
The mom by her own admission is in on the scam that has been spreading. Her name is Lexi Oliver Fretz and she is a pro lifer. She has a Facebook page where she admits giving permission to the Center for Medical Progress to use her dead child's photo and while she knows the photo is being used deceptively, she is okay with this because as she puts it, "the reason is to save the lives of the unborn". She also admits to giving Carly Fiorina permission to use her son's photo in her fight for the unborn".
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/28/1425455/-FOUND-The-source-of-Carly-Fiorina-s-fetus-claim
Just found this too
As for the falsified video and images, doctors and OB/GYN collectively confirmed it is not an aborted fetus, rather a premature birth. Below is a quote from a OB/GYNs blog, doctors findings and how this conclusion was formed:
I believe it is a premature delivery. I reached that conclusion from 25 years of clinical practice in OB/GYN. I decided to ask nine other OB/GYNs what they thought about the clip, meaning I put a lot more effort into getting the facts than the politicians who voted to defund Planned Parenthood. All nine OB/GYNs agree with me. Several are OB/GYns who have done advanced training in family planning and so are experts in the field.
MORE:
https://proabortionprolife.wordpress.com/2015/09/22/images-of-miscarriage-used-by-antis-against-planned-parenthood/
Lexi Oliver Fretz
September 25 at 6:39am · Edited ·
***and for the record Carly Fiorina also has my full permission to use Walter's photos in her fight for the unborn!
https://www.facebook.com/lexifretz/posts/10153650234658781?pnref=story
malaise
(267,801 posts)off to the greatest page
riversedge
(69,715 posts)malaise
(267,801 posts)I'll donate a bag of blue mountain coffee for the best headline
-none
(1,884 posts)How does "Pro-life" have any credibility with anyone anymore?
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)by the conservative lie machine for the purpose of killing women who need safe, legal care.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)no legs kicking, being held down while its brain is harvested.
riversedge
(69,715 posts)vankuria
(901 posts)at 19 weeks, baby only lived a few minutes.
riversedge
(69,715 posts)deliver prematurely
Baitball Blogger
(46,573 posts)civil lawsuit.
riversedge
(69,715 posts)should be the one held responsible also. But agree--hope PP goes after this group
malaise
(267,801 posts)sorry CARLIE!! LIEorina
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)So they couldn't even manage to get that much right.
cynzke
(1,254 posts)I believe that the narrative by Holly O'Donnell involves TWO separate fetuses and CMP spliced HO's narrative to make it seem like one. See the link from Fox news. It reveals the KEY clues that are overlooked in other articles. The first part of O'Donnell's narrative, she describes the "most gestated" fetus she had ever seen. Remember, HO only worked for StemExpress for approx. 34 days over a span of six months. She was by no means an expert. This fetus is the one whose heart began to beat when HO's co-worker, Jessica, taps the chest wall. In many pro-life news articles, Jessica is attributed as the "abortionist", but that is not true and I think in many cases an intended lie. Jessica was O'Donnell's supervisor from StemExpress. As O'Donnell's narrative proceeds, she describes in gruesome detail having to procure fetal brain tissue but THIS is where the subtle EDITING takes place to DECEIVE viewers. In the Fox link below, Holly O'Donnell describes (what I believe to be a second fetus) as It wasnt completely torn up. And its nose was very pronounced. It had eyelids. Its mouth was pronounced. The first part of HO's narrative, the fetus is intact and the second part the fetus is torn up. That would be expected with some surgical abortions. But the video is spliced into a seamless narrative so that the viewer is led to believe a fully intact "live fetus" was dissected. In reality, brain tissue was recovered from a DEAD fetus that was torn up by the abortion procedure.
Film editing does not mean just cutting material, it also involves organizing material, rearranging to achieve a goal.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/19/baby-heart-still-beating-after-abortion-doctor-says-in-new-anti-abortion-video/
riversedge
(69,715 posts).... She also admits to giving Carly Fiorina permission to use her son's photo in her fight for the unborn".
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/28/1425455/-FOUND-The-source-of-Carly-Fiorina-s-fetus-claim
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)riversedge
(69,715 posts)vankuria
(901 posts)I'll be writing to the major news networks as this story must be heard! The mom in question is sick to use the image of her stillborn baby in a lie, its just shocking, tragic and disgusting
Anti abortion groups have been using these images since their inception so in all likelihood it will not prevent anyone from seeking abortion services, but it will show a baby being used by it's parents for pure evil.
Shame on this woman! And the fact that she has used social media to explain why she is lying makes it ok to expose her for the fraud she is.
kpete
(71,900 posts)It was just done by pro-life groups.
It was just images that were exploited and not brains.
vankuria
(901 posts)harvesting organs, brains, etc. The image in question is of a baby delivered at 19 weeks, the baby was fully formed and that's the image that's being used in the video to bring down PP. The birth didn't happen at PP and was not an abortion. What I did say and should have been more specific is anti abortion groups get hold of these images of stillborn babies and use them for their own purposes, this is not the first time, in fact I see them protesting in front of our local PP using these images on their signs.
I was agreeing with you
peace,
kp
vankuria
(901 posts)I misunderstood your post...peace to you also!
vankuria
(901 posts)TygrBright
(20,733 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Republicans can't win without lying, cheating, swindling or bamboozling voters.
And even when they do win, they refuse to govern because that would mean leaving the kiddie table and actually trying to act like an adult and negotiate with their counterparts to achieve a compromise that results in a successful solution.
robbob
(3,514 posts)Al Gore said he invented the Internet in his garage using Lego blocks!
How come that LIE was spread far and wide by our wonderful media while Repugs are allowed to get away with this kind of crap.
Never mind, don't answer, I already know the game is rigged.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)it's not, I am guessing, a part of the general "Planned Parenthood" video.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)No there isn't an element of truth at all. This like Collin Powel's artist renditions of WMDs in Iraq. Only thing real are the sketches, but there were no WMDs in Iraq.
No one is putting aborted fetuses on life support to harvest brains. It is a lie and Carly is a big fat liar.
The ramification of her lies are to end life saving medical care for women of low income. How is this Pro-life?
Duval
(4,280 posts)This should be in all our media. kpete, thanks for bringing this to DU.
kpete
(71,900 posts)every rock
peace Duval,
kp
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)JoDog
(1,353 posts)about bearing false witness? AKA lying?
How is breaking a commandment working for "HIS purpose for HIS glory!"?
Makes no sense to this Jew.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)different than when we donated as many parts of our 5 year old as we could after he died?
Somewhere someone is alive because of our 5 year old and we will never regret helping them.
usaf-vet
(6,094 posts)with it making a wonderful counter argument to the lies often told about tissue and organ harvesting from individuals who have died. May God bless you and your child for the gift of life to others.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'm so, so sorry for your guys' loss.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Giving a politician permission to use a picture, and outright lie about what is happening, to help defund and demonize a group that does nothing but help people.
This fucking piece of shit is actually glorifying a lied filled with despicable horror, saying that is "HIS glory." She doesn't believe in God. "God" doesn't advocate lying. You don't get to pick and choose what lie is okay.
I hope she's happy, damning herself, by lying about and using her son, to eternal hell fire. (I don't believe in any of that. But if she actually believes in the Christian religion, any of them, that's what she is doing)
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)in God's name and it's all good! NOT!
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)vankuria
(901 posts)She's admitting everything there, if people gang up on her she'll delete it.
PatSeg
(46,793 posts)Carly is the one who should have to answer for her blatant lie.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)cover this and will many people be watching???
turbinetree
(24,632 posts)then all the players in this scam (Center for Medical Progress) should be brought before Congress and testify under oath, even the HP former CEO-------------end of story
You want to play a disingenuous game with people, then so be it and let the cards fall where they may-------------------Planned Parenthood has been pretty forthright and upfront on this matter where is CMP and Carly Fiorina's claim---bring them in, and Lexi Oliver Fretz under oath
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Your personal accumulation of the almighty dollar justifies the means.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)these pics...
WHY would she be selling photos of an 8 oz. fetus?
TexasBushwhacker
(20,043 posts)She probably says the money is for her children's college fund.
Glaisne
(513 posts)then fight for a better world for them to be born in. Rather than fighting for forced births.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)champion birth control.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Carly Fiorina is god?????.... and a man too????!!!!!
Lying and deception is OK with god, y'see.
NonMetro
(631 posts)Republicans are pretending they didn't know anything about this 3 year smear campaign by this liars of liars RTL group called "center for medical progress". So, they are now pretending to be shocked! Outraged! etc., as if they haven't been against Planned Parenthood ever since it was founded. Well. I'd say they not only knew about it, they helped plan and finance it. In fact, the whole thing was probably the idea of the RNC in cahoots with the Koch brothers. What we're seeing here is the work of more proud graduates of the Richard M. Nixon school of dirty tricks.
And Carly Fiorina is on the board! No wonder the employees at HP couldn't stand her. She's one nasty poor excuse for a human being!
Oh, and Donald Trump was right about one thing: listening to Carly Fiorina speak for 20 minutes really does give a person a headache!
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)some idiots will always fall for the falsehood because they want to believe the lies.
Delphinus
(11,808 posts)No qualms whatsoever.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Carly's brain when she was conceived? Maybe it was her use of drugs in college?
At any rate, too bad, in some cases, abortion can't be retroactive.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,573 posts)But, I don't think they prosecute fraud on a criminal basis anymore. Do they?
jmowreader
(50,447 posts)Republicans, banksters and big bidnessmen can commit all the fraud they want and that's fine.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)This is vile and disgusting, they want to portray abortion as being bad, their actions is over the top.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)Fretz is saying that Walter died to fulfill God's purpose, which happens to be lying about how Walter actually died and to lie about abortions. In right wing world, it makes perfect sense.
paleotn
(17,778 posts)Ooops. She forgot about that one commandment. Hypocrite.
DallasNE
(7,392 posts)What book are they reading. Does the Bible say the ends justifies the means? While I am no expert, I don't think so.
svpadgham
(670 posts)so he could be used in a deceitful manner to save fetuses. Makes sense.
certainot
(9,090 posts)there are 1000 radio stations and 400 rw blowhards that will NEVER correct this -
they were given this bullshit on a silver platter and rechewed it every day for weeks so when she repeats it it is with the knowledge that it's been pounded into the earholes of 50 million a week- that makes it 'true'
they're all operating within the same alternate reality- a talk radio reality that only exists because the left ignores it
until the left stops ignoring the right's best weapon they can keep doing this kind of crap over and over
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)Disgusting.
King_Klonopin
(1,305 posts)Republicans are allowed to lie
Blatantly
Egregiously
Repeatedly
Shamelessly
Without ever suffering serious consequences.
Fiorina's theatrics that night were disgusting -- especially given that
she knows her claims were pure bullshit.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)She is fighting windmills, appearing to be completely mad in her effort to win the lunatic base of evangelical voters.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)She sure likes to lie, doesn't she?
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Despicable! They all should be sued for fraud and asset-stripped.
stage left
(2,934 posts):vomit: at the people telling her how wonderful she is on facebook.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Carly False Fiorina as in Bearing False Witness Against Thy Neighbor (the American People)
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/carly-fiorina-defends-her-lie-with-a-whole-bunch-of-lies/
red dog 1
(27,647 posts)What (Fiorina) saw was a vidoo of an infant that had been prematurely at 19 weeks and that did not survive."
NOT an aborted fetus, but a 19 week old "infant" that had been born prematurely.
I don't see "the tiny element of truth in the story"...where is it?