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damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 08:38 PM Sep 2015

Police smashed car window to rescue a baby on the passenger seat - but there was one problem




Police were left red-faced when they broke into a locked car to rescue what they thought was a baby - only for them to quickly realise they had saved a doll.

Janaih Rattray, 10, left her toy named Ryan on the seat of her sister Delesia's Vauxhall Corsa which was parked up outside a hospital.

Two officers decided to take action after asking the advice of nurses who agreed the "extremely lifelike" doll was a real infant."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-smashed-car-window-rescue-6546174
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Police smashed car window to rescue a baby on the passenger seat - but there was one problem (Original Post) damnedifIknow Sep 2015 OP
seems like a reasonable mistake. Jesus Malverde Sep 2015 #1
That is a very realistic doll gollygee Sep 2015 #2
yeah rockfordfile Oct 2015 #42
Agreed. yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #105
Yup...nt joeybee12 Oct 2015 #134
Another reason to give your kid Chucky instead of one of those cute dolls pinboy3niner Sep 2015 #3
Whatever happened to barbie dolls? damnedifIknow Sep 2015 #5
Why would police need to break into a locked car to rescue Barbie? pinboy3niner Sep 2015 #7
Only if it was Malibu Barbie. Lochloosa Sep 2015 #10
They're on Fox. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #54
LOL Oilwellian Oct 2015 #103
THAT's a DOLL? LiberalElite Sep 2015 #4
google "lifelike baby dolls" or "born again baby dolls" It's a whole industry. Liberal_in_LA Sep 2015 #8
This reminded me of a cable program LiberalElite Sep 2015 #11
I remember it. Liberal_in_LA Oct 2015 #19
Whoa. trotsky Oct 2015 #46
"So Truly Real" dolls alcina Oct 2015 #110
Ohhh ........ she's adorable. I love these. nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #117
yes, it's a doll shanti Sep 2015 #9
Here are some made by a few friends of mine. polly7 Oct 2015 #18
wow Liberal_in_LA Oct 2015 #20
Some of them are really gorgeous. polly7 Oct 2015 #25
those are very well done shanti Oct 2015 #49
Yes, those ones are beautiful. It takes years to get that good. polly7 Oct 2015 #61
Strange those dolls all look so very unhappy. Except for the sleeping one, it looks like they are bettyellen Oct 2015 #52
Do they? polly7 Oct 2015 #64
None are smiling. Why do you think that is? bettyellen Oct 2015 #72
Probably because those are only a few of thousands of sculpts out there that polly7 Oct 2015 #73
It just seemed like a sad bunch to me. Glad to know they are available in happier versions- tks! bettyellen Oct 2015 #76
You're so welcome!! nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #82
so very awesome that you are donating them to patients who enjoy them. that is great. bettyellen Oct 2015 #87
Thanks. polly7 Oct 2015 #88
baked- are they hard like porcelain dolls? I wonder if people who like to soothe babies prefer the bettyellen Oct 2015 #90
No, they don't get hard. polly7 Oct 2015 #96
I thought so too. cwydro Oct 2015 #68
You buy a blank kit and paint and dress them any way you like. polly7 Oct 2015 #69
For the life of me, how does anyone tell the boy dolls from girl dolls? Not seeing it. bettyellen Oct 2015 #94
Once you've looked at hundreds of sculpts and really studied them, polly7 Oct 2015 #97
okay, that makes sense. I usually just study their faces for ANY similarity to their parents. bettyellen Oct 2015 #100
But these are dolls. nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #102
dolls that look like real live babies! I guess when you spend a lit of time looking at them, those bettyellen Oct 2015 #104
It really is. polly7 Oct 2015 #106
for infants, clothing manufacturing (how I know anatomy) is regulated to the smallest detail- bettyellen Oct 2015 #108
That's a great way to learn anatomy. polly7 Oct 2015 #109
I'm doing one for my mother. ladyVet Oct 2015 #125
That's great! polly7 Oct 2015 #130
The epitome of the uncanny valley. Disturbing. msanthrope Oct 2015 #29
Hyper-realistic dolls leave nothing to the imagination. I am a cloth doll artist KittyWampus Oct 2015 #36
wow, I would love to see a pic of that shoe doll, Kitty. If you have a link? bettyellen Oct 2015 #53
This is not art....this is fetish work, of a very specific kind. It caters to women, primarily..... msanthrope Oct 2015 #112
Yeah, some people make a joke of it. polly7 Oct 2015 #116
It's not a joke. It is extremely far from funny. That some people make msanthrope Oct 2015 #118
I find a lot of things disturbing. polly7 Oct 2015 #119
Btw .......... always meant to ask for a picture of one of your cloth dolls. polly7 Feb 2016 #135
Different strokes for different folks. polly7 Oct 2015 #38
That's not art. It's fetishism. The Victorians excelled msanthrope Oct 2015 #45
Like wax figures these are crafts and not art, yes. They take great skill though. bettyellen Oct 2015 #57
LOL. Did the whistle go out? I'm thinking so ..... nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #62
Not all 'babies' are awake all the time. polly7 Oct 2015 #63
Yes dolls- sorry! Long way from the painted figure craft kits of a generation or two ago! bettyellen Oct 2015 #75
Yeah, they're art. polly7 Oct 2015 #84
sure, send me an email list and I will explain the difference between arts and crafts to all of them bettyellen Oct 2015 #85
LOL. nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #86
Indeed--there are people making tens of thousands of dollars selling this work....that msanthrope Oct 2015 #114
You don't think it's art - fine. polly7 Oct 2015 #115
"Make good livings from it" Indeed. nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #120
What's your problem with that? polly7 Oct 2015 #121
I think that conflating income generation with artistic merit is a mistake. nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #122
LOL. nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #123
Hey, one man's art is another's fetishism. polly7 Oct 2015 #60
It's something about the "far away eyes" in all these pictures that is unsettling to me. corkhead Oct 2015 #51
The hand-blown glass eyes used in all of the dolls poster here are the exact same polly7 Oct 2015 #107
the one in the green shanti Oct 2015 #50
I agree, shanti. polly7 Oct 2015 #59
They all look real but that one is amazing damnedifIknow Oct 2015 #78
Yes, she's adorable. polly7 Oct 2015 #81
Nice work TuxedoKat Oct 2015 #127
Those are a few different friends, yes, they are. And thanks so much. polly7 Oct 2015 #128
Thanks for all the info TuxedoKat Oct 2015 #132
YVW. I use that magnifier too. My eyes are supposed to be fine, but polly7 Oct 2015 #133
I make those dolls:) polly7 Oct 2015 #17
Glad to know they are helpful to some Liberal_in_LA Oct 2015 #21
Oh wow.....that's something that will haunt me now..... msanthrope Oct 2015 #31
Yeah .... no worries. polly7 Oct 2015 #35
Thank you for your work Carolina Oct 2015 #34
You're welcome, it's not work, it's something I enjoy doing for them. polly7 Oct 2015 #37
that's so sweet of you! renate Oct 2015 #47
Thank you, renate. You're very kind. polly7 Oct 2015 #71
Good'on 'em cops. nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #95
Yes. nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #98
Actually, it looks like a DEAD baby... Ron Obvious Sep 2015 #6
Eek dat thing is creepy to give to a child. Police understandably punked. lonestarnot Sep 2015 #12
I won't fault them for this one. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #13
At least the cops paid for a new window. NutmegYankee Sep 2015 #14
That's what I wanted to hear. Iggo Oct 2015 #67
I have no problem with this, better safe than sorry! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #15
I sure would have thought that was a real infant. WillowTree Oct 2015 #16
Pretty big failure by the cops: once they'd realized the mistake, did they not even petronius Oct 2015 #22
This was in the UK, Petronius Starboard Tack Oct 2015 #24
I think you need to adjust your sarcasm meter...nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #30
I still prefer a barbie damnedifIknow Oct 2015 #40
lol treestar Oct 2015 #58
I would have punched out the window myself if I saw that. RexDart Oct 2015 #23
Yeah, I did a doubletake. That doll looks very real. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #26
Needs a dob of spit drool. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #56
TrainSpotting flashbacks JackInGreen Oct 2015 #27
Yikes! romanic Oct 2015 #28
My Mom had mercuryblues Oct 2015 #32
I can't fault them for that. Vinca Oct 2015 #33
It's OK. GOLGO 13 Oct 2015 #39
"an abundance of caution" applies here. MineralMan Oct 2015 #41
I Sure Do RobinA Oct 2015 #43
a baby abandoned is per se endangered, nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #48
Finding what they thought was an unattended infant in a car isn't "no reason". WillowTree Oct 2015 #70
Are dead babies more acceptable? Boomer Oct 2015 #89
Cops here will come unlock your car for you Go Vols Oct 2015 #44
Sounds like the car owners may foot the bill. They should. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #55
OMG!!! Kill it!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!! Glassunion Oct 2015 #65
LOL. They will NEVER make women dolls look that real, ha ha. Too flawed. bettyellen Oct 2015 #91
I think the cops busted the window to put a steak through its heart. Glassunion Oct 2015 #92
HA HA HA HA HA HA. Thanks- I needed that! bettyellen Oct 2015 #93
That thing looks like a corpse. bunnies Oct 2015 #66
Better to err on the side of caution, then end up with a dead baby imo. Rex Oct 2015 #74
I agree damnedifIknow Oct 2015 #80
I don't get people saying this was irresponsible by the cops over a doll. Rex Oct 2015 #83
Seriously, if you have a doll that looks this life-like,,,, KarenS Oct 2015 #77
I agree. polly7 Oct 2015 #99
oh deary me allan01 Oct 2015 #79
I thought it was real until I read the caption. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #101
That is a creepily realistic looking doll. PersonNumber503602 Oct 2015 #111
These dolls freak me out. Seen too many horror movies, I suppose. nt pinstikfartherin Oct 2015 #113
The police and/or the nurses didn't look for movement of the chest, like, breathing? Frustratedlady Oct 2015 #124
Sure looks real! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #126
Better safe than sorry vankuria Oct 2015 #129
that doll is demonic. (shudder) n/t librechik Oct 2015 #131

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
5. Whatever happened to barbie dolls?
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 08:51 PM
Sep 2015

I've never heard of someone getting their car window broken to rescue a barbie.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
7. Why would police need to break into a locked car to rescue Barbie?
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 09:12 PM
Sep 2015

I hope you're not making some kind of blonde joke.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
8. google "lifelike baby dolls" or "born again baby dolls" It's a whole industry.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 09:14 PM
Sep 2015

The artist paints the veins, mottled skin and everything that makes it look like a real baby



LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
11. This reminded me of a cable program
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 09:32 PM
Sep 2015

several years ago about women in U.K. and these baby dolls. I don't recall the details except that it creeped me out.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
46. Whoa.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:55 PM
Oct 2015

The ONLY detail I can see that seems off is the belly button on the lower picture. Otherwise I would swear those are both actual human infants.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
18. Here are some made by a few friends of mine.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:48 AM
Oct 2015

I hope to get this good, eventually.

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polly7

(20,582 posts)
25. Some of them are really gorgeous.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:34 AM
Oct 2015

Here's a few more. I'm not a collector, I love making them though which is sort of strange because I never played with a doll in my life. I did get one for my 10th birthday but as soon as I opened it up and saw her my brother ran by, grabbed her and ripped her head off. These aren't mine either, I'm not nearly this good yet. I believe a couple of these sold for over a thousand dollars. One woman I met online and who is helping me was a portrait artist who makes them now and sells to collectors (Cher is one) who follow her and spend sometimes up to seven thousand or more for one. I thought I had one of hers uploaded but can't find it.

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These can have up to 30 layers of paint (one for capillaries, one for mottling, etc.) and are baked in between each - or can be done with layers of air-dry paints then sealed. Each hair is placed in individually with different gauge needles, either the same glass eyes used for human prosthetics or acrylic eyes can be used. I know this isn't interesting to most, but they really can be a lot of work to make! and really are an art, it's just that some get a bit silly with them and give it all a bad name.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
61. Yes, those ones are beautiful. It takes years to get that good.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:34 PM
Oct 2015

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And those were made from gorgeous sculpts. Some of the sculptors selling these kits have their clay sculpts cast and molded into silicone which they then paint, root and sell, usually only about only ten can be made before the molds are no good anymore. These silicones can sell for tens of thousands. Check this out, she's a lady from Australia who just moved to the U.S. - we're all in a doll forum online together (which is where I found out Cher collects them).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/A-Romie-Baby-Full-Bodied-solid-SILICONE-doll-sculpted-reborn-by-Romie-Strydom-/171860931647?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2803b5b43f Crap, I just looked and all the pics are gone. But here's her website. http://romiesdollstudio.com/ Not one of these silicones sold for less than 10,000.00. Her blank vinyl kits are all limited editions - of say, 300 total, and sell for up to about 150.00 - finished, they vary of course, depending on the result and skill of the artist painting and finishing them - from a couple of hundred to ten thousand dollars.

A kit includes a blank head and limbs, with the option of buying a belly plate to paint also - usually for photos to sell the doll. You paint up to 30 layers - one for each flesh tone, capillaries, milk bumps, etc. etc. and bake each time between each layer, add texture finishes, and seal, root in individual eyelashes, seal from the inside the hair you've rooted one strand at a time - which usually takes me up to about 60 hours for one head, make your own body, stuff and weight everything, dress them nice (I make my own clothes and knit and crochet their sweaters and hats) - and voila, a doll for someone to love (or hate, I guess).

Here is a blank vinyl kit (which I agree, does look sorta spooky): [URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

This is the friend I had mentioned who sells some of her dolls to Cher. She was a portrait artist who was fascinated by seeing some of the earlier artists who had done them and spends most of her time doing this now, hers sell for up to 10,000.00. She helps me a lot - I send her progress pictures, she gives me advice - or tells me to start over ..., and we trade blank kits back and forth all the time as she looks for mostly the very limited edition sculpts and some aren't sold in the U.S. - the sculptors she mostly uses are from Canada. I got to know her well from that doll forum years ago, she's an amazing lady.

http://hhgalleries.com/index.php

This is my favourite of hers:

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I did the same kit and took it into the nursing home nearest me about a month ago .... mine wasn't nearly! as good as hers but one lady claimed her right away, I think she likes her.

(Yes, it's art.)




 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
52. Strange those dolls all look so very unhappy. Except for the sleeping one, it looks like they are
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:36 PM
Oct 2015

scared or were crying. Is it easier to make them look more natural if they look sad or worried? Or maybe it's just the pics you selected, I have no idea. Just struck me as sort of odd. Theres nothing cuter than a happy baby!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
73. Probably because those are only a few of thousands of sculpts out there that
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:43 PM
Oct 2015

I thought were sweet and well done. There are plenty of smiling kits to do up ............ why don't you google them?

Doesn't seem that difficult to understand, really.

Why do some traditional artists never paint pigs? Some paint cows ............... why not pigs!?!?!?!?!! That's just freakish, isn't it?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
76. It just seemed like a sad bunch to me. Glad to know they are available in happier versions- tks!
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:47 PM
Oct 2015

polly7

(20,582 posts)
88. Thanks.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:14 PM
Oct 2015

I do sell some, too. I'm not as good as the artists whose doll pictures I've posted, so haven't made nearly as much - my highest so far was 600.00 Cdn. I even have my own little following here if you can imagine! - friends who want me to try to find blank kit sculpts of their children as babies. I've done two so far .......... they take a LOT of time - micro-rooting the hair and making sure the hairline is perfect takes many, many hours/days/weeks. Depending on your painting and shading technique, and if you can find a blank kit that is even somewhat similar to real pictures of babies and toddlers, you can get an amazingly close resemblance. These aren't for children, they are baked many, many times and sealed very well, but as with all ART, they can be damaged with too much handling.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
90. baked- are they hard like porcelain dolls? I wonder if people who like to soothe babies prefer the
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:50 PM
Oct 2015

perturbed looking ones. Interesting. I know a lot of people LOVE tiny little babies but to me they are sort of scary- especially if they aren't happy.
I do much better around toddlers and teens, LOL.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
96. No, they don't get hard.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:16 PM
Oct 2015

The paints used are heat-set Genesis paints specially made for painting vinyl. They don't change the texture of the vinyl itself, but are very, very durable and will last forever if set correctly and sealed. Some use acrylic paints, which are also as durable when sealed - it's just personal preference, also, the fumes with the heat-set paints bother a lot of people. Putting the kits together and weighting and stuffing makes all the difference in how cuddly they are.

As far as what residents in nursing homes prefer .... so far, none of mine have been rejected - from grumpy, to happy.

There really are so many sculpts out there to choose from - some artists prefer sleeping babies, some awake and not happy, or smiling. I love them all - there's a different challenge and something new to learn with each. The eyes can be really expensive, the glass eyes preferred by collectors can cost up to 50.00. The soft and silky goat mohair I like, for babies, can cost up to 100.00 or more per 1/2 oz. Real human hair I like to use for toddlers - sanitized and non-treated - usually costs 70.00 to 135.00 or so per 1/2 oz. It's not cheap to make these dolls.

I love real grumpy babies. It's fun to try all the silly things you have to to make them smile. Love all babies, all toddlers, all teens.

Doll kits with a lot of expression and detail are my favourites.

Check this doll out, it's a sculpt by Cassie Brace Peek who said it reminded her of her son. I think he's adorable. Some of them make you smile just looking at them (or not, and can freak you out - which is perfectly fine!, but I smile).:

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My very first ones we used for our Haunted House here on Halloween that year. They were bad. It was pretty funny seeing the reactions. I let two little girls take them home after, I'm sure their parents were wondering wtf.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
68. I thought so too.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:57 PM
Oct 2015

They look unhappy, or scared.

And why are they all female dolls (except for possibly one?)

polly7

(20,582 posts)
69. You buy a blank kit and paint and dress them any way you like.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:01 PM
Oct 2015

I make a lot of mine into boy dolls - so do most, it just depends on what you think the blank sculpt most looks like. There are happy sculpts, sad ones, sleeping, awake - hundreds to choose from.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
97. Once you've looked at hundreds of sculpts and really studied them,
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:21 PM
Oct 2015

you can tell by the features which you prefer to do them up as. ie.:larger lips I like to make into girl babies, more prominent chins - boys. Again, it's just personal preference. Most, you can dress either as a boy or girl and they'll look perfectly fine.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
104. dolls that look like real live babies! I guess when you spend a lit of time looking at them, those
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:41 PM
Oct 2015

differences jump out at you. I'm really good as discerning differences in anatomy, since it is part of my job. I can guess people measurements incredibly accurately, and rate how average their posture and proportions are. But faces? OMG, if I ever had to describe someone for a police sketch, I'd be shit out of luck. Interesting.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
106. It really is.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:45 PM
Oct 2015

I studied anatomy in my EMS and HC/SCA courses and have been trying to learn much more about proportions, especially for babies. I want to start sculpting, but have a lot of learning to do first.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
108. for infants, clothing manufacturing (how I know anatomy) is regulated to the smallest detail-
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:02 PM
Oct 2015

aside from the flammability requirements , endless testing and concern over trims, etc, the fit of all sleepwear is supposed to be skin tight. They actually give them measurements for the garments themselves, it's totally standardized- so there's not much "work" involved and not something small upstart companies can afford to do because of testing costs.
Kids clothing is easy because it doesn't change much fit wise like womens' stuff does, it's mostly decorative stuff that changes. The only big thing that has happened is the size and style of diapers! Toddlers' clothing Hips used to size same or bigger than the larger "Kids" fit, because the diapers were so big years back, and then suddenly that changed. We actually put diapers on the little toddler forms, while adult forms are made to represent people wearing underwear. Yep.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
109. That's a great way to learn anatomy.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:08 PM
Oct 2015

I'd never put much thought into what goes into manufacturing clothing apart from design. Definitely. the fitting is the most important.

You should try sculpting, you'd probably be good at it. Or I could sculpt heads, you do the bodies and we make a fortune.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
125. I'm doing one for my mother.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 08:17 AM
Oct 2015

She's been bugging me to get it finished, so I need to get on that. Mama had seen some great reborns at a doll shop, looked at the price and said "Hey, you can do that! Make me one.". This is her response to anything crafty she sees. Apparently, I can do anything.

My sister bought the kit and supplies, and I get to do the labor. Of course, I've never reborned before, so it's been a learning experience.

They are a lot of work. Layers of paint, baking between each (I'm using Genesis heat-set oil paints), then the rooting can take forever. I'm almost at the point of doing the hair, and I'm dreading it because of my arthritis and carpal tunnel. eek

polly7

(20,582 posts)
130. That's great!
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 10:36 AM
Oct 2015

I'm sorry about your carpal tunnel and arthritis. Heating a bag of rice first in the microwave and putting it in the head softens up the vinyl, that may help make it easier for you. Have you considered painting hair? I've seen some amazing painted hair babies - also painted hair with minimal mohair sparsely rooted just on top for newborns - it looks great. I think I have some tutorials here I could pm you if you haven't done it before and want to try it.

This one has painted hair and eyebrows:



Good luck with yours, it's really a lot of fun, isn't it? When it's all done and put together you'll be so happy.

Your mom sounds a lot like mine.

Another from a friend of mine just recently, she's gorgeous. Yes, these are art.

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msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
29. The epitome of the uncanny valley. Disturbing.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:05 AM
Oct 2015

Having worked in a morgue, I have to say that the similarity between these dolls and corpses of actual infants is unsettling.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
36. Hyper-realistic dolls leave nothing to the imagination. I am a cloth doll artist
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:18 AM
Oct 2015

so while I appreciate the work that goes into these and the artistry, they somehow make me sad.

There's an historical "doll" from a poor child (maybe during Depression), it's an old shoe wrapped in cloth.

Juxtaposed with these dolls, there seems to be a very wide gap in both money, art and imagination.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
112. This is not art....this is fetish work, of a very specific kind. It caters to women, primarily.....
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:57 PM
Oct 2015

polly7

(20,582 posts)
116. Yeah, some people make a joke of it.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:07 PM
Oct 2015

And some people use the most pathetic examples of those people to slime all others.

Good for you ................ don't look at it, don't buy it, if you see an elderly person cuddling one, snatch it up and rip its head off.

And some of the artists who sculpt and produce these kits are male - incredibly talented, as well as some artists who finish them, some are even collectors. You really don't know all you think you do.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
118. It's not a joke. It is extremely far from funny. That some people make
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:31 PM
Oct 2015

thousands selling those dolls is, well, disturbing.

I have not commented on your charity work, because that is not my business. I cannot imagine using anything other than a completely washable doll with patients, but that's just me.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
119. I find a lot of things disturbing.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:36 PM
Oct 2015

Children being murdered, the homeless, war, bigotry, poverty ................ this? Nah. Hope your nightmares over it aren't too bad.

These can be wiped down, with soap, sanitizer and alcohol even. The hair can be washed gently. If they're used for another resident and are still in decent shape, I've gone in to change the body out. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
135. Btw .......... always meant to ask for a picture of one of your cloth dolls.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:05 PM
Feb 2016

Would LOVE to see one.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
38. Different strokes for different folks.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:26 AM
Oct 2015

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I enjoy wax museums and most other types of realistic art as well.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
45. That's not art. It's fetishism. The Victorians excelled
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:35 PM
Oct 2015

at memento mori for example..... that is not properly art.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
57. Like wax figures these are crafts and not art, yes. They take great skill though.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:45 PM
Oct 2015

They're all so sad looking. I guess they are for people who like to comfort them or something? It's unsettling to me I guess because they will never look happy! I'm guessing the sleeping one isn't waking up anytime soon either. Bummer.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
63. Not all 'babies' are awake all the time.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:47 PM
Oct 2015

But these aren't babies. They're dolls. Just like the porcelain and bisque dolls people have collected for centuries. The fun part (well, all of it's fun, actually) for people doing up the vinyl kits is in seeing just how differently each sculpt ends up, depending on the artist painting and finishing them.

And yes, they're art.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
75. Yes dolls- sorry! Long way from the painted figure craft kits of a generation or two ago!
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:45 PM
Oct 2015

Which also, by no sense of the imagination are considered art. They do show incredible craftsmanship though, wow.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
84. Yeah, they're art.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:57 PM
Oct 2015

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Tell the people making tens of thousands from them they aren't. Or the collectors who buy them for that.

Painting on vinyl instead of canvas - the end results for each kit painted so differently by many people can be amazing, which is the most interesting for me.

Art is creativity expressed (in any medium) - which is exactly what working with these blank pieces of vinyl results in.



 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
85. sure, send me an email list and I will explain the difference between arts and crafts to all of them
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:05 PM
Oct 2015

polly7

(20,582 posts)
86. LOL. nt.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:06 PM
Oct 2015

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And ........ I don't have Cher's email address. Maybe you can google that too.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
114. Indeed--there are people making tens of thousands of dollars selling this work....that
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:03 PM
Oct 2015

doesn't make it art.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
115. You don't think it's art - fine.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:05 PM
Oct 2015

Many, many others do, and make good livings from it.

I don't think a lot of stuff I've seen in museums is art either, but that's just my humble opinion, and you know what they say about those.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
121. What's your problem with that?
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:47 PM
Oct 2015

Do you blast portrait artists who paint babies? Wtf shouldn't we try to make a living at something that brings others pleasure. It's not for you ......... bfd. Get over it.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
107. The hand-blown glass eyes used in all of the dolls poster here are the exact same
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:57 PM
Oct 2015

as prosthetic human eyes. They're made in Germany from the same manufacturer and are costly, but most collectors prefer them.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
59. I agree, shanti.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:23 PM
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She's from a Reva Schick sculpt. Many of the sculptors sculpted and sold porcelain dolls first for many years before they started having them molded into vinyl kits. Most previously sold their sculpt to places like Ashton Drake Galleries as porcelains, but fewer people are collecting those anymore. Here's another sweet one done by a friend of mine, I love her. She's a Kellie Becket kit, I believe there were only 25 made in the world - I have one, but haven't started her yet. There are sculptors from all over the world, most from Germany, and they manufacture thousands of kits from infants, to toddlers, to even small children. A museum in Germany has some of the most beautiful dolls I've ever seen.

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It's an art, and like all kinds of art has it's lovers and haters. Whatever.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
81. Yes, she's adorable.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:55 PM
Oct 2015

The artist who did her gives lessons all around the U.S. at major doll shows. She's great.

TuxedoKat

(3,818 posts)
127. Nice work
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 08:53 AM
Oct 2015

your friend is very talented. My daughter has one of these dolls and her friend has a few more. I prefer to customize fashion (12" size) size dolls myself but I can really appreciate the work that must go into creating one of these dolls. Do you or your friend have a website that you sell your dolls from? If so, please pm same to me. Or if not, if you know anything about the kit that the fourth doll in the light green outfit in the photos above comes from, would like to know more about that one. Thanks.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
128. Those are a few different friends, yes, they are. And thanks so much.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:57 AM
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I've seen some customized fashion dolls and they are amazing. How can you do that kind of work on such tiny faces? The ones I saw were beautiful.

I don't have a website, I just mainly advertise here locally and sell to friends or friends of friends, but we're all on a doll forum I will pm you a link to, also on FaceBook in many doll groups where I'd be glad to add you. That fourth baby is the Sabrina sculpt by Reva Schick. She's gorgeous and I think one of the most realistic sculpts, no matter who does her up, that I've ever seen. Jackie, an online friend from that forum, did one of her prototypes. I bet you could do a great job on her yourself. There are a few places in NA to buy her, sometimes she comes on sale but I don't think she is right now:


http://www.irresistables.com/results.cgis?catalog=&keywords=sabrina - she's on sale here, I see! (And send a note to Esther, the lady who runs that site and ask for 5% off as a new purchaser, she does that).

This is where I do most of my ordering from - (it's a Canadian site but with free shipping on any order over 100.00 for everyone.) -
https://macphersoncrafts.com/en/ I don't see Sabrina here anymore.

This is the place in Europe where many sculptors sell from - a lot of these aren't available in NA - http://www.puppen-traumland.de/?language=en - if you become a member, you get an automatic discount on every purchase.

Some sculptors also only have their own websites and don't sell through a distributor.

Also, EBay is a great place to buy kits if you live in the U.S. - the shipping to up here is terrible and with our dollar, makes it too high for me. Just type in the name of a kit and there will probably be some up for sale.

ETA: Just from looking around, I have a feeling Sabrina might not be sold in NA much longer, once she's sold out at Irresistables you may have to purchase her from Europe.



TuxedoKat

(3,818 posts)
132. Thanks for all the info
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:10 PM
Oct 2015

it's very helpful.

As for the tiny faces, well, I bought dolls by some artists' work that I liked and found out what kind of brushes and paint I should be using. It helped to see how other people painted the faces and what tools they used. I also use headband magnifier that help a lot with this kind of work.

I've made quite a few dolls for charity auctions and given ones away to friends and relatives. Wish I had more time to work on my customizing though!





polly7

(20,582 posts)
133. YVW. I use that magnifier too. My eyes are supposed to be fine, but
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:18 PM
Oct 2015

it's still really hard to do detail work without it.

Yes, watching what others have done and thinking how you'd do your own version is what's helped me most too. Good on you for your charity work, that's great. I've given away some of mine too to little nieces. They aren't really supposed to be meant for children but I don't care - they loved them and wanted one so got them for Christmas.

I'm going to post a few other links for blank kits in the U.S. here that I forgot earlier.

http://www.dollssoreal.com/

http://www.dollsbysandie.com/

polly7

(20,582 posts)
17. I make those dolls:)
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:37 AM
Oct 2015

Most of mine I donate to nursing homes around here as therapy dolls for people with Dementia or Alzheimer's ... they have a calming effect on a lot of residents who find it difficult to settle down or sleep at night, and for some who just like to sit and cuddle them.

Then, there are collectors who love them.

Also some who go overboard and treat them like real babies - play feeding them, taking them out in strollers, etc. - that, I don't understand, but it's their life.

I think the police here did the right thing, they couldn't have been sure it wasn't a real baby.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
31. Oh wow.....that's something that will haunt me now.....
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:12 AM
Oct 2015

Look at the uncanny valley responses on this thread. What if you were a patient having that response and were unable to articulate it?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
35. Yeah .... no worries.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:04 AM
Oct 2015

I've worked in hospitals and nursing homes and pretty much have a good idea which residents are good candidates and which aren't, they aren't forced on anyone, the head R.N. (and family, if available), are always consulted with first. Those who are drawn to them and able to reach out for them or make any affirmative gesture, if not able to vocalize, will get one. Those that can't, won't. They get passed on, later. Why would ANYONE force a doll or anything else on someone unable to articulate??? That makes no sense. We don't do it. But thanks for your concern ............... no, they're not given to anyone who isn't able to express a desire in some way for one.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
34. Thank you for your work
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:31 AM
Oct 2015

When my Dad had to be placed in an assisted living facility with a dementia section, I saw firsthand how helpful they are with dementia patients.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
37. You're welcome, it's not work, it's something I enjoy doing for them.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:24 AM
Oct 2015

In our district we work as Special-Care-Aides during the day while on call with the ambulance (I don't anymore, I'm on casual now and mainly take transfers but fill in occasionally for nights and normal weekend shifts), so when I took up this, I took one in to show one of my favourite ladies. She was getting along into her dementia and I knew didn't sleep well, and many times would still be up if we got home from a call and back to the home to drop off paperwork in the middle of the night. She loved it, and would relax and at least sit until she fell asleep - otherwise she was pacing the halls, put back to bed, and up again in half an hour or so - over and over all night long. It's calming and gives them something to focus on.

Thanks very much for your kind words. I'm sorry your dad is going through it - it's so hard for family.

renate

(13,776 posts)
47. that's so sweet of you!
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 01:11 PM
Oct 2015

I hadn't thought of it for ages, but I remember some of the residents of a nursing home where I volunteered being so comforted by having a baby to hold. You are really doing a wonderful thing.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
71. Thank you, renate. You're very kind.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:11 PM
Oct 2015

A lot of us do it and enjoy seeing the reactions from some of them and how much they love them.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
6. Actually, it looks like a DEAD baby...
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 08:54 PM
Sep 2015

I'm quite creeped out by it. I certainly don't blame the cops in this case.

petronius

(26,598 posts)
22. Pretty big failure by the cops: once they'd realized the mistake, did they not even
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:18 AM
Oct 2015

think to plant some drugs and a gun under the seat, then taze the hell out of the car owner? Now the public is on the hook for a new window...



</snarky dick on the internet>


Glad they erred on the side of caution, and that really is a surprisingly realistic doll...

RexDart

(188 posts)
23. I would have punched out the window myself if I saw that.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:33 AM
Oct 2015

Not knowing if it was a real infant or creepy doll, better safe then sorry.

mercuryblues

(14,525 posts)
32. My Mom had
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:58 AM
Oct 2015

a very realistic doll. I borrowed it when I flew to a long weekend visit with friends. I wanted to freak them out that I bought my baby with me.

Being pretty fragile it wasn't going in my suitcase. When I got to security, I put it in a bin to go through. A woman freaked out on the other end that I put my "baby" through the machine. I had to let her touch it to believe it wasn't real.

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
43. I Sure Do
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

Why are the police breaking into cars for no reason? The "kid" was obviously not showing distress. How about waiting around to see if there was an actual problem. This, to me, is pretty unacceptable.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
70. Finding what they thought was an unattended infant in a car isn't "no reason".
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:10 PM
Oct 2015

It might be a good idea if you didn't take any babysitting jobs. Just sayin'.

Boomer

(4,167 posts)
89. Are dead babies more acceptable?
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 05:31 PM
Oct 2015

The temperature inside a sealed car can soar to dangerous levels within minutes, and infants are especially vulnerable to unregulated body temps. Waiting around until a baby shows signs of distress means the difference between a simple rescue versus a trip to the ER (if not the morgue).

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
74. Better to err on the side of caution, then end up with a dead baby imo.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:44 PM
Oct 2015

Good for the cops! If anything else, that was some good real world training! They should not be red faced at all - that could have been a dead child.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
83. I don't get people saying this was irresponsible by the cops over a doll.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:56 PM
Oct 2015

You know what else does not move at all? A dead baby. Good for the cops, I'd have done that as a civilian if I believed I was looking at a dead or dying child in a car. I think most normal people would.

KarenS

(4,063 posts)
77. Seriously, if you have a doll that looks this life-like,,,,
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:49 PM
Oct 2015

don't leave it in the car in plain sight! Cover it up with a blanket or put it in the trunk.

Sheesh,,,, The police did the right thing.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
124. The police and/or the nurses didn't look for movement of the chest, like, breathing?
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:31 PM
Oct 2015

Even the nostrils would have shown some movement...

Just sayin'.

vankuria

(904 posts)
129. Better safe than sorry
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 10:24 AM
Oct 2015

An honest mistake, at least they were doing their jobs and looking out for the public interest. And that doll definitely is lifelike, I probably would've thought the same thing.

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