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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 09:56 PM Sep 2015

Syrian ‘moderates’ aren’t so moderate in Iraq

Well, God bless Barack Obama – he’s found some “moderate” rebels in Syria. Enough to supply them with weapons and training worth $500m. Congress wants to arm these brave freedom fighters, you see. And Obama, having sent his 300 elite Spartan lads to Iraq to help Nouri al-Maliki fight the rebels there, needs to send help to the rebels in Syria – even though most of them are on the side of the rebels in Iraq whom Obama wants Maliki to defeat.

Confusing? You bet. So first steps first. Who are the “moderate” rebels whom Obama wants to train and arm? He doesn’t name them – and he can’t, because the original “moderates” whom America swore to arm (with the help of the CIA, the Brits, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey) were the so-called “Free Syrian Army”, mostly composed of deserters from Assad’s government forces. But the FSA – briefly beloved of John McCain until he discovered a pro-al-Qa’ida fighter sharing a photo-op with him in northern Syria – has decomposed.

Its men have gone home, switched to the bearded Islamists of the Nusrah or Isis – or Isil if we heed the latest acronym – or re-deserted to the government army and taken up arms for Assad again. Some freedom fighters! They weren’t given enough weapons, we are told. Now they’ll get more. And no doubt sell them – as they did the last lot. For it is a sad fact of war that whenever a gun crosses a border, it represents not loyalty but cash.

Give an FSA man – if you can find one – an anti-aircraft missile and it will be sold to the highest bidder. In all the civil wars I’ve covered, I’ve never seen a weapon in the hands of a militia which hasn’t bought it from someone else. In a humiliating interview on Channel 4, our own Defence Secretary admitted that weapons given to Syrian rebels had fallen into the hands of the bad guys. How do you monitor all the guys whom you give a gun to? Send them off with a personal drone to make sure they don’t sell it?

Besides, how do you actually find a “moderate” these days in Syria’s war? The Islamist rebels fight to the death. No “moderates” they. And – accursed facts now intervene – these are the very same Islamist rebels now threatening the Iraqi state. And just to make things even more confusing, Maliki has just been thanking Assad’s boys for air-raiding his own rebel enemies on the Iraqi-Syrian border on the grounds that Syria and Iraq are “friends”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/syrian-moderates-aren-t-so-moderate-in-iraq-9569548.html

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LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
1. Anyone else starting to wonder if the west wants these people to kill one another?
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 10:05 PM
Sep 2015

Because every action we've taken since this started has done nothing but make these conflicts worse. We have been an agent of chaos and destruction since the first shot was fired.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. For America the ME being a mess and staying that way is not a mess so much as the plan.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 10:22 PM
Sep 2015

Russia shaking up the preferred status quo of chaos and enlightening Americans that they do not have exclusive rights to be World Police must be disturbing to the Warhawks.

P.s. The article might have been more credible if not referring to folks as "towelheads"....lost me on the whole "analysis" there.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
7. But the nature of the Jihadi Terrorists is the same.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:46 PM
Oct 2015

Its mostly for background for the non neocons.

Fisk lays out what a cluster mess this is.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
8. Well the Sunnis hate the Shia who hate them back
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:00 AM
Oct 2015

I agree that hasn't changed. For the sake if humanity it shouldn't be ISIS but someone should probably coble together a Sunni state out of non Kurdish Syria and the Sunni part of Iraq, let the Syrian and IraqI kurds form a state and that will leave a rump shia Iraq. While we're at it give the Palestinians a state..

There..ME solved.

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