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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsand, once again, the gun was said to be resting comfortably
The National Rifle Association and Fox News would like you all to know that it's"too soon" to talk about gun violance.
45th School Shooting This Year...
Here we go again. We'll hear a brief conversation about gun control,
it'll (once again) go nowhere, and we'll sit back and wait for the next one. The NRA wins (and kills) again
Bottom line, we are not a civilized society when we allow gun rights to usurp human rights.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reports-shooting-umpqua-community-college-oregon_560d7658e4b0af3706dfdcd1?a70evcxr
http://www.inquisitr.com/515151/domestic-gun-deaths-since-68-are-greater-than-all-our-war-casualties-ever/
eissa
(4,238 posts)Because that will determine if it's a mental health issue (white), an immigration matter (Hispanic), or terrorism (Middle Eastern).
intersectionality
(106 posts)Nt
valerief
(53,235 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Thank you for that!
Thug (Black). Probably high on marijuana because legal sales started today.
The gun(s) certainly can't be the problem.
Of course easy access to guns and our gun-obsessed culture is never the culprit.
Oopppsss! Sorry, I just remembered that this is NOT the time to be talking about guns.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)I am ready for a total ban. Confiscate that crap. I don't care about the 2nd Amendment; if we bothered to interpret it at all how it's written, none of this would be a problem. Anybody who "needs" a gun (for food, grizzly bears, polar expeditions) can go through a long and painful permitting process.
Number23
(24,544 posts)black people or just shooting them for random offences.
MADem
(135,425 posts)blame in bizarre ways. Add to that, he collects Nazi shit and affiliates with Republicans, according to a dating site.
LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)it said he was mixed race. Apparently his father is white and British and his mother is a woman of color. The shooter was born in Great Britain and moved here as a young child.
eissa
(4,238 posts)At least he wasn't a terrorist *phew!*
spooky3
(34,403 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)patsimp
(915 posts)is when they are affected by loonies with guns or at the ballot box.
they are cold hearted treacherous SOBs.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Why anyone would belong to that puke organization, when real hunters know better, is a mystery to me. The NRA has nothing to do with gun safety and all to do with pimping guns to children for profit.
Why would anyone support an organization like the NRA when it is run by a RWing GOP asshole? You want to teach your kids about guns? You don't need a group to do that, it is called being an adult.
Journeyman
(15,024 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Of course it's too soon.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)Is there something in the water lately that is causing people to forget things?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025307978
Open discussion of guns is permitted during very high-profile news events which are heavily covered across all newsmedia.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)From your link: "Open discussion of religion is permitted during very high-profile news events which are heavily covered across all newsmedia."
I am fairly certain that this http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141221750 story qualifies.
Can the fucking snark next time.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)Show us how this OP fits that parameter.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You then, do not in fact believe this incident is a very high-profile news event which is being heavily covered across all the media?
edgineered
(2,101 posts)may not precisely fit neatly into the qualifications for allowing such posts - there are many though who will use any excuse to have their say... as evidenced now
Rex
(65,616 posts)Thank you for reinforcing why people in GD mostly abhor gun culture. Without your examples, I doubt as many would notice.
Again, thanks!
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)I have no dog in this fight. But it's crystal clear to me that the guidelines for GD expressly permit this thread.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)I find it so interesting that those most against gun control do not want it discussed in this forum.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)about anyone owning a firearm. In fact, up until that time I agreed with the crowd here in believing things had to be done to end a problem. Before explaining what changed I will give some personal history. Please bear with me and keep in mind that I do not own any firearms by choice, nothing prevents me from lawfully purchasing and obtaining concealed carry privileges.
In the 60's and 70's I had BB guns, pellet guns, shotguns, and rifles. I hunted and shot for pleasure quite often. During three enlistments I stood watches carrying and later supervised the watch who carried. No longer do I have a need for a gun. Other people do though.
The atmosphere here at DU became so toxic for gun owners that I rethought my position. My position now is in favor of the right to keep and bear. (Some) members of this sight have displayed such unrealistic goals and demands, have slandered those of like political philosophies, have demonized anyone not in lockstep with their totalitarian objectives, and have openly stated desires to forcefully take firearms out of the hands of their lawful owners.
So I changed my mind. I'll stop here.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Because so many people are for gun control you have decided to be against gun control. I wonder what other life choices you make purely on the basis of other's opposition.
here is a song that must have been written for you
edgineered
(2,101 posts)while those close to you watch in disbelief. Do you think your insults are limited to swinging a keyboard and not on display to people who surround you? Are you certain you want to discuss stupidity with me?
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Approximately 30 people shot and 7-10 dead at a community college in Oregon qualifies as a high-profile news event you should probably check your water.
I stand by my comment. Your snark was out of line.
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)Anything less is supposed to be in the guns & ammo aisle.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)it conforms to the SoP in many ways
GUNS
News stories (and related content) from reputable mainstream sources about efforts to strengthen or weaken gun control legislation in any jurisdiction in the United States, national news stories (and related content) from reputable mainstream sources about high-profile gun crimes, and viral political content from social media or blogs that would likely be of interest to a large majority of DU members are permitted under normal circumstances.
Local stories about gun crime and "gun porn" threads showing pictures of guns or discussing the merits of various firearms are not permitted under normal circumstances and should be posted in the Gun Control and RKBA Group.
Open discussion of guns is permitted during very high-profile news events which are heavily covered across all newsmedia.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)edgineered
Kudos to the Gun Control & RKBA Group
The members of this group have displayed remarkable character, discipline, and patience once again. As evidenced by the recent flurry of posts in this group by those critical of its members, it is not the members of this group firing uncontrolled outbursts, round after round. It is not the members of this group associating flags, banners, bumper stickers, and statements by individuals with everything that is wrong with this country.
It is shameful to allow perhaps the last unabridged right we have to be chipped away at, little by little, until it is as unrecognizable as our right to peacefully assemble or to protest. Sure, we can still have protests provided the permits are granted, the fees paid, the schedule kept. If the protest is innocuous enough it may receive coverage by the media, and if it does not have the potential to change anything there may even be some publicity before the event. Such has been the abolition of all our rights and the decline of a strong citizenry.
The bad intent directed toward this group in the past week has been an epic failure. It does not appear that anyone here is hiding from the world now, no one is afraid of the petty critics braving the world from behind their keyboards. Those joining in the fracas could look at what the depths of their own integrity has produced.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172169661
kpete
(71,961 posts)a new day
a new shooting
one that some would rather not talk about.....
peace,
kp
Omaha Steve
(99,494 posts)Never mind. I see it is covered already.
Open discussion of guns is permitted during very high-profile news events which are heavily covered across all newsmedia.
Ms. Yertle
(466 posts)This is a gun-free zone.
Can't people follow the rules?????????
edgineered
(2,101 posts)There seem to be enough entitled posters here to evade some of the rules.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)This is a high profile news story
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)You certainly don't understand the rules.
But keep trying to tell everyone what you think they mean.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)when they pry it from your cold dead hands.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)what is it supposed to mean?
DrBulldog
(841 posts)And so its time now for ALL YOUNG VOTERS to vote for Bernie!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)See what happens when you politicize a tragedy? You learn something you might not have wanted to know.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)School shootings are terrible, as are all killings, especially mass killings. Bad data is not going to help.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Gun deaths in America are a deadly epidemic virus that makes Ebola ashamed to be called one.
missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)To be fair, the two here in Little Rock were in the parking lot of an elementary school and didn't involve staff or students.
The one in Athens, Georgia was on a college campus and involved college students.
If you subtract 3, does that make this less of a tragedy??
Gus2525
(68 posts)choice we've made as a nation.
I think you are right
and how sad is that?
peace to you and yours Gus2525,
kp
valerief
(53,235 posts)But mostly lack of regulation of arms.
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)I try to, I wake up every morning saying "I will not kill today". Most of the time it works, but the anger arises when someone cuts me off on the highway. But I am an American, it is my God given right to just shoot anyone I come across.
lark
(23,061 posts)Death - r - Us.
0rganism
(23,924 posts)there's really no point talking about it anymore.
until we have free mental healthcare on a national scale, little will change.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Most gun deaths occur inside the home when one spouse blows away a family member by either intention or accident. The cases where people go out of the home to shoot people up are the rare cases. We need to have this chat!
0rganism
(23,924 posts)"one spouse blows away a family member by either intention..."
see, i think there's at least some % of that population which could qualify as "crazy people"
"...or accident" is harder to boil down; certainly a lot of "sane" people can and do make stupid deadly mistakes, but a "crazy" person might have problems following safety protocols too
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)There are statistics out that show that the vast majority of people who have committed violent crimes have not been diagnosed with mental disorders. People with mental disorders are more likely to be victims of violence, not perpetrators. Every shooter that's killed in the past few weeks didn't suffer from crazy: they suffered from bigotry, misogyny, or toxic masculinity. But these dwarf the bigger issue which is too many guns that are easily and readily available for their use!
There are too many sane people out there willing to commit violent crimes than there are "crazy people" who do cuz the voice in their head told them to.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Not only is there no popular support for blanket gun bans, but you have the 2nd amendment to deal with.
It is what it is.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)I own a glock and a shottie and there's no way I'm giving those up. The problem is that the laws are so lax that any chump with an axe to grind can easily purchase a gun, wait three days, and go off on whatever bothers them. I feel that there needs to be extra steps to ensure that whoever is purchasing a gun isn't going to commit a crime.
Also the 2nd amendment can be curbed since felons can't own guns. So there is a way for gun control to work.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)that can't cope and they've lost perspective.
0rganism
(23,924 posts)coping with anger in healthy ways is an important step in living a normal, non-sociopathic life.
maintaining perspective... well that's kind of hard to pin down, but it sounds like a life skill of some kind too.
i just don't think we need to have another unproductive NationalConversationAboutGunViolence(tm)
it only makes the affected sadder and irritates the 2A fanatics
periodic massacres are the price we pay as a society for having widespread firearms ownership combined with the stupidest for-profit healthcare system on the planet.
world wide wally
(21,738 posts)cowardly nation because not one elected official will say "boo" to the NRA
lobodons
(1,290 posts)The only time this year it had been more than 3 weeks since a prior shooting. 3 weeks after shooting needs to be the point where it is no longer too soon to talk about gun violence based on past years shootings otherwise we have to start the clock all over again. (and again)
moondust
(19,958 posts)Whew.