Shooter was a 20 year old Beta male (white) who told folks not to go to campus

[malaise]

on social media last night.
Poor loser was able to get several guns (but no girls) so he killed lots of people.

[villager]

1. The "beta" designation was from the laughably self-described "alpha" males on social media?

[malaise]

4. Apparently they have their own website

where they hang out and whine.

Heard the term on GEM$NBComcast

[bettyellen]

14. nope, a bunch of "betas" who assumed he was one of their own- screaming "beta uprising!!"

and apparently their nickname for alpha men is "Chad". They encouraged him to shoot only women or women and "Chads".
Beta uprising is apparently a common enough fantasy. Sad.

[villager]

16. Screaming where? on 4Chan?

In replies to his post?

[bettyellen]

19. Yep. I don't know 4Chan well enough to know if it was a subgroup- as some referred to themselves as

robots, and there was a robot on top the page. But yes, most assumed this was another Elliot Rogers type thing and many egged him along. A few giving him advice on how to do it- and who to target, women and "Chads".

[PersonNumber503602]

24. Was this on the r9k (or whatever) board on 4chan?

Despite being raised on the internet, I was never really able to figure out the image boards enough to follow along. Did you see the specific posts?

I always assumed many of those people are just saying stuff "for the lulz", and a lot of the comments are tongue-in-cheek. I thought of them of being in line with shock jocks on the radio. Sadly it looks like some of them truly do feel that way.

[bettyellen]

33. I think that r/9/k was it. Several people have posted it here, as well as Will Pitt on FB...

A few make references to other people as normals and themselves as robots? Stacey and Chad was code for the happy couple they are all jealous of.... so weird. Who the HELL has been named Chad since 1952?

But the Beta thing was the biggest comment. And it seemed more people were encouraging it than the reverse. I'd love to herd that bag of assholes into a room a spray gunfire over their head, to give em some context.

[Jesus Malverde]

80. Chad

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chad

[bettyellen]

82. Ah, these guys tell themselves it's Chad's fault that they can't meet women. LOL, nope.

[Jesus Malverde]

83. Or that it's women they hate cause they're attracted to chads.

[LiberalArkie]

76. Yes, I read it this morning.

[malaise]

42. His name is Chris Harper Mercer - 26 years old

The delay about this slaughter is the fault of the RW Sheriff.

[Judi Lynn]

45. Found his MySpace photo:

[center]

Chris Harper-Mercer

https://myspace.com/344765151[/center]

[arcane1]

2. I hope "Beta male" doesn't become part of the lexicon n/t

[Yavin4]

7. Too late

It's a common phrase. In the common vernacular, "Alpha male" describes a male who has sex with a lot of women with very little effort. The "Beta male" describes the male who does not have a lot of sex due to social awkwardness.

It's a gross bastardization of the terms.

[AngryAmish]

9. Beta describes 80% of males

The whole PUA/Red Pill point is not to be the 80% of guys who hardly ever get laid.

[Yavin4]

10. More like 95% are Beta males.

And most of the other 4% are lying their asses off. Most men cannot walk into a bar or club, meet a complete stranger, and then have sex with them that very night no matter how much PUA training they get.

[upaloopa]

11. If they weren't lying there ass off nobody would believe

them anyway.

[bettyellen]

17. they'd do fine if they were realistic about their own attractiveness, and were fun, and enthusiastic

about interacting with women. We love having sex with fun enthusiastic guys!
But they aren't, they're weird and manipulative and if you're not totally blotto "the game" is pretty fucking obvious. It's become a lot more common these days it seems. They don't even chat a few minutes before pulling that "neg" stuff, ha ha.

[Number23]

21. And they're as shallow and unrealistic about the attractiveness of women as they are about themselve

A smart, funny as hell woman that's not a size 0 won't catch their stupid little eyes.

Remember Eliot Roger's absolute FURY that the blue eyed blondes that he'd decided were the "perfect" women weren't giving him the time of day?? And he wasn't blue eyed or blonde his own damn self. He brought self-loathing and self-hatred to wild new levels though he is certainly not alone in that regard.

He probably passed over a hundred wonderful dark haired women who would have made him happy because of his own superficiality, gullibility and stupidity.

[msanthrope]

26. Heaven forfend you are smarter than them....it's emasculating, apparently. nt

[Number23]

34. Smart and/or NOT BLONDE??!!

[msanthrope]

40. Smart as a whip, with Medusa hair. I'm Sicilian. nt

[Yavin4]

31. That's our culture at work. Exhibit A: Donald Trump

If you're a rich asshole, you get the hot chicks. Wall Street is primarily comprised of sexually, frustrated immature men with hyper-developed math skills. All so that they can fuck that cheerleader who passed them over in high school.

[Number23]

36. Nailed it! And what's so bad is that the cheerleaders, no matter how dumb and/or lazy, know it

All they have to do is keep that body slim and trim and their faces wrinkle free until they land one of them sexually frustrated, immature and stupid rich men and they are HOME FREE.

[ladyVet]

69. Until he trades them in for a younger model. nt

[bettyellen]

49. all guys who drool over *hot chicks* because of their looks only are creepy as fuck in RL

when you meet them it's very weird. I've accidentally dated a few.
Over the years I have had men follow me, stop their cars and jump out to ask me out, arrange fake meetings and stalk me.
Guys that do this never treat you like a human being, they can;t hold a conversation, LOL.
They will stare at you like an object and truly believe that them choosing you, and their dumbstruck reaction to your looks is somehow complimentary. It isn't. I didn't do anything to earn it, and it only made me fear for their mental health.
I don't literally want to talk about what I look like, or how you feel about it, I'm not a fucking object here to decorate your world or impress your friends.
WTF.

[treestar]

71. I must not have been hot

I seriously could not fathom having anything physical to do with someone as ugly as Trump. I don't care how much money they have.

He's ugly. I'd rather have a good looking guy any time. When I was young on occasion some older man would try it out and it was hopeless. They were just not attractive physically. It was amazing they even had the nerve.

If I were as good looking as the current Mrs. Trump, I'd have a handsome man at my side. I don't know what is wrong with her. Actually marriages like that likely have a high rate of her cheating with the good looking pool boy, that sort of thing.

[smirkymonkey]

93. Seriously, what on earth is she doing with him?

I get that she might be into his money, but I can't understand women who will sleep with trolls like Trump for money. I don't think I would ever be that desperate.

[xmas74]

65. Back in my prime I was a size 6

(the old 6-not the more generous one) with curly red hair, grey eyes, a nice "rack" (let's be honest-I know men looked at it), great legs, an infectious laugh and I could spin a story, tell a joke or answer trivia and have a group of men mesmerized. I never paid for drinks.

Nowadays, I wouldn't get the time of day even if I were that same girl from 20 years ago. I see girls like I used to be overlooked all the time for the size 0 bleached blonde, overly tanned with almost no personality. Times have really changed on what is and isn't desirable.

[Number23]

74. Hubba hubba! You sound like QUITE the catch

And not just because of your physical attributes. A person smart and witty enough to tell a "mesmerizing" yarn is worth more than 1000 starved, overbleached size 0s with no personality any day of the week.

[xmas74]

78. I'm only 5'2

so I always had to hop up on the bar stool in order to sit down. I never needed help down-someone always offered an arm or shoulder.

You had to be cute in some way but there wasn't this uniformity that I see now. I feel like we've gone backward instead of forward.

[treestar]

70. this is true. Most of them just have to wait to meet

the girl who falls in love with them. Rather than do that, they are eaten up with jealousy of the few good looking men.

[Blue_Tires]

92. +1000

[bluestateguy]

3. Like an Elliot Rodger?

But now, of course we'll hear all about how "mentally ill" he was.

That's how it works when the killer is white (as is usually the case).

[Shrike47]

5. Probably white. Almost everybody in Douglas County is.

[plus5mace]

77. Mixed race actually, but still a white supremacist.

[malaise]

6. Yep - they even mentioned his name

Lone wolf - mentally ill - of course.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

8. *If* the 4Chan postings were connected....

.....although assuming the time stamps are authentic, it would be some hell of a coincidence to post fake threats that specific that match what actually happened.

Until the name and photo of the shooter is released, I'll withhold comment on his race. I'm assuming it's possible that non-white males could also fall under this "beta uprising" mindset.

[malaise]

12. A Navy man who is a witness said it was a white male 20 years old

He (the witness) was part of National Guard recruiting

[Tommy_Carcetti]

13. Okay.

Just wanted to have it confirmed before we speak too soon.

[PersonNumber503602]

27. I was a bit skeptical considering it was coming from 4chan

I could see them creating an elaborate "prank" to make it look like some guy they don't like (or like) was the one behind it. It looks legit though, because I don't think the guys who run 4chan would be in on it, and they would likely be needed to adjust timestamps. Although, I haven't seen the actual posts myself, just screen shots. Those screens shots could have easily been edited in an image editing program, or any of the dev tools in most modern browsers could have been used to change the times/dates.

[Ex Lurker]

29. Someone did post on 4chan last night

however it's unclear whether the person they've associated with it is actually the shooter, or the subject/victim an elaborate prank they decided on after the fact.

[kelliekat44]

15. You knew he was white when the headlines just indicated "male." nt

[malaise]

18. LOL

My precise thought

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

64. Yeah, well you might want to amend that now

Assumptions....you know.

[kelliekat44]

66. No. He identified as white. His dad is white. His mom AA and most around him considered him

white.

[malaise]

67. Just saw his dad on TV

What a mess - he identified as white but I doubt most considered him white. One drop always prevails for some folks.
One more miserable loser who believed he could solve his problems by killing others - enough already.

[Nye Bevan]

85. Nope. He identified as "mixed race".

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/02/1427146/-Chris-Harper-Mercer-s-Mixed-Race-Identity-and-the-Umpqua-Community-College-Shooting

[cwydro]

20. Well, one thing I knew from the get-go.

It was a male.

Males do these killings, and now we do now it was a male.

People jumped to a lot of conclusions after the newspeople got shot - right wing white asshat etc, and it turned out to be a black, gay man.

I just wish we could wait for the facts to come out.

But one thing we always know.

It's always a male. Color, politics, amount of times getting laid, alpha or beta (stupid!), right wing or left wing-doesn't matter...it's a male.

[smirkymonkey]

22. Something is very wrong with young males in this country.

Not all of them act out, but too many of them are filled with rage and hatred.

[Fumesucker]

41. No, something is wrong with the overall culture in this country and males are a symptom

[Ex Lurker]

23. Not sure that has been confirmed

Someone was posting last night on 4chan, but a lot of bullshit gets posted on 4chan. Today the other posters had identified someone, but they may have been trolling.

[workinclasszero]

25. 9 times out of 10

It's a white male it seems like.

Why is that, I wonder?

[polly7]

28. I don't understand 4 Chan at all, but

shouldn't anyone who knew about this and egged him on be gone after?

[ScreamingMeemie]

30. They were talking about this on MSNBC a bit ago.

I think they should be. That is prodding if you ask me.

[polly7]

32. I think so too.

I can't believe not one of them would warn anyone at that campus. Wth is wrong with people, anyway.

[bettyellen]

35. he said PNW campus, but nothing more specific.

At least one person inferred that they were reporting it to the FBI. But most laughed along.

But apparently the ethos of that place is to stalk and harass anyone who is bothered by anything posted there. Apparently there are enough vengeful hacker types* there that people are intimidated out of speaking up when shit gets ugly. Which explains a whole lot.
*apparently, it is the birthplace of the Anonymous movement

[polly7]

38. Well I still don't understand why one person couldn't have picked up the phone and

even warned LE about the threats, if they knew who he was. Seems like a horrible place with some pretty uncaring people.

I like a lot of what Anonymous has done ........ didn't realize they'd gotten their beginning there.

[bettyellen]

46. someone might have, but apparently this kind of "talk" is so common there, that no one takes it

seriously. Looks like a lot of cruel people with nothing going on in their lives. Every other post is some kind of inside joke meme, so it looks like a bunch of stupid teenagers who spend a lot of time there amusing each other.

[polly7]

48. Pretty sick stuff.

I hope some of them at least feel some shame, but from what you'v described that doesn't sound likely.

[bettyellen]

50. Apparently everything ugly and stupid on the net was born there. Can't we bomb it? Ha, I wish.

[LittleBlue]

56. Never go on there

I got curious once and made the mistake of going there. They post pictures of mangled bodies and people pooping. Anything with shock value is allowed no matter how disgusting.

It's the layer right between the mainstream internet and the dark web.

[polly7]

61. Wow.

Thank you. I think I did go there once when a link was posted here after the Boston Marathon horror and saw some really graphic photos of the older brother/murderer along with some info. I think it was that site.

Sounds like a nasty group alright.

[MineralMan]

37. More like a gamma or delta, I think.

If he posted on 4chan, he couldn't possibly be anything higher. Anonymous 4chan posters are barely human, IMO.

[Shandris]

39. Meh. Not worth it.

I generally like what you post, I'm not starting a tiff over something silly.

[tishaLA]

43. NBC says this information is incorrect

https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/649717090639867904

[Texasgal]

44. This has now been debunked.

I'd edit post.

[bettyellen]

47. the "egg man" was just a guess today as to "who" posted an anonymous OP with the threat.

Last edited Thu Oct 1, 2015, 10:25 PM - Edit history (1)

he is not Chris Harper Mercer, but I do think the threat at 4Chan actually happened. They just suspected someone who was "known" at 4 chan called Eggman. Engman is not Chris Harper Mercer, and spoke out today to clear that up.

[jberryhill]

57. Yeah, I don't think a whole lot of people understand what you are saying

But you are correct.

There was an anonymous post yesterday on 4Chan.

There were posts TODAY saying the anonymous poster was Eggman.

The posts from today were debunked.

But I have seen no debunking of the thread from yesterday.

[bettyellen]

59. thanks- I clarified my post a bit. He is a conservative atheist who hates organized religion....

and used to be obsessed with the IRA. That's a mixed bag, huh?

[hifiguy]

75. Confusion is his middle name.

That is one strange mixture.

[bettyellen]

79. All too typical, mental issues with no job or relationship, it would seem. but then again...

if he had a wife and kids, they'd probably be the first, and maybe only victims. Ugh.

[hifiguy]

87. Too true.

I find myself often disgusted and appalled by my fellow males. We're not nearly so far from apes as we like to think and prove it all too often.

[bettyellen]

90. It's sad to read that guns were the only thing he enjoyed chatting about...

So I guess his mom wanted to indulge the hobby that would bring him out of his shell. Or else it was his tantrums that made her give in. What could she do- hospitalize him at every tantrum? Force meds?
Fucking tragic.
And it does have a lot to do with the normalization of anger and vengeance in our culture.
I grew up in a home with mental illness. And it got violent and choices were very very hard to make.
I've seen a lot of how hard this is to cope with and have family that struggles with it today.
I know I'd be freaked out if I knew a seriously misanthropic person with anger control issues was wearing camos and collecting guns. But we are literally powerless bystanders because our culture has normalized it all. Sorry for rambling. I just read an excellent quote on Metafilter about this whole thing and our culture and I'm pissed and upset.

[jberryhill]

51. Which part has been debunked?

There are two alleged facts on the table:

1. The shooter had posted to 4chan.

2. The shooter was a particular 4chan user known as "Eggman"

#2 has been debunked. I have not seen a debunking of #1. Link?

[Texasgal]

52. Here:

https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/649717090639867904

4Chan is also known for inaccurate BS.

[jberryhill]

53. Yes, that is to point #2

Yes, 4Chan is what it is.

However, you have not provided a link to a debunking of the alleged post on 4Chan, and don't seem to understand that the alleged post from last night, and the alleged identification of a particular user, are two unrelated things.

What, in the OP, has been debunked?

You have linked to a tweet which says:

"The so called "Egg Man" or person who 4chan and other listed as the Oregon shooter is NOT him. He is alive and has communicated to NBC."

The identification of "Eggman" was in a 4Chan thread attempting to identify the person who had posted anonymously to 4Chan in the thread contained in the OP.

Please indicate where the alleged post from last night to 4Chan by an anonymous user has been debunked.

[Texasgal]

54. What else needs to be said?

4chan is full of a bunch of idiots that post non-sensical crap. I'm not sure if people know about 4chan but the website is known for bunch of "anonymous" postings. There is NO proof that Eggman was the shooter. I tend to not believe anything from 4chan ever.

This has been debunked by news media. What else do I need to provide you with?

[jberryhill]

55. You don't seem to understand what was "debunked"

Did you read the various replies to that tweet you linked?

"There is NO proof that Eggman was the shooter."

Who said there was?

I agree with you. The allegation that it was Eggman has indeed been debunked.

That has nothing to do with the thread posted yesterday by an anonymous 4chan user.

You don't seem to understand these are two different things.

[Texasgal]

58. Okay, well Hair splitting but okay.

Par for the course here on DU I guess.




It appears that EGGMAN has been identified as the poster and was not the shooter.

I'm stupid I guess. Thanks for pointing that out!

[jberryhill]

60. Here's what happened

First, there is this thread, from yesterday, started by an anonymous poster:

https://archive.moe/r9k/thread/22785073/

THEN, there was this thread, from today, about blaming it on Eggman:



I've not seen a "debunking" to the effect that the thread dated 9/30 was not posted on 4Chan.

Again, 4Chan may be a lot of things, but unless that entire alleged thread from yesterday is fake, then the general tenor of 4Chan is not relevant to whether something was posted there yesterday or not.

[bettyellen]

62. nope. Wed night: there was an Anon post with the threat (not debunked). Today: Chan posters guessed

it was a poster they were familiar with, called the Egmman who had posted the Anon thread on Wed. THIS is what was debunked.
Their suspected poster -"Eggman"- is apparently still alive and saying he has no connection to the Anon post.

That an Anon person posted a threat on Wed has NOT been debunked.

[malaise]

73. Just ask them why the investigation is also focused on

social media - he left a footprint.

[Nye Bevan]

63. Whoops. Probably should self-delete (nt)

[Nuclear Unicorn]

68. Even then it will continue to live on in her heart.

[ancianita]

81. If he'd been black and caught, he'd be dead by suicide by now.

[Nye Bevan]

88. Why? The Beltway Snipers were black and were caught (nt)

[ancianita]

89. Unlike with scientific standards, one exception doesn't disprove the rule in social standards.

You really do know this. There are no multiple other examples.

The likelihood I raised still stands statistical tests.

[bettyellen]

91. Well they weren't selling cigarettes or jaywalking...

[pnwmom]

84. His mother was black, from the accounts I've seen.

So he was mixed race or African American, depending on how he identified.

[Nye Bevan]

86. He identified as mixed race.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/02/1427146/-Chris-Harper-Mercer-s-Mixed-Race-Identity-and-the-Umpqua-Community-College-Shooting