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pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:09 PM Oct 2015

Oregon shooter alleged to have asked students to name their religions

before shooting some of them.

And to have warned of the coming attack on 4chan.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shooting-oregon-umpqua-community-college-article-1.2381711?cid=bitly

"The shooter was lining people up and asking if they were christian," she wrote using the lower-case C. "If they said yes, then they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didn't answer, they were shot in the legs.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11522534

The chilling message read, "Don't go to school tomorrow if you are in the northwest".

It was posted anonymously on bulletin board 4chan, the Daily Mail reported.


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Oregon shooter alleged to have asked students to name their religions (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2015 OP
Yes, it was a bad day to be a Christian. Shandris Oct 2015 #1
Proof of the worldwide persecution of Christians! Human101948 Oct 2015 #56
What a horrible persecution complex it must be... Shandris Oct 2015 #57
Exactly what some of these shooters have Generic Other Oct 2015 #63
This shows the 4 Chan community egging him on -wth Person 2713 Oct 2015 #2
from NBC tishaLA Oct 2015 #11
The comments after yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #65
We heard similar stories right after Columbine, that turned out to be untrue DavidDvorkin Oct 2015 #3
I strongly agree as a general principle. The one thing that makes this story more credible pnwmom Oct 2015 #7
My thoughts exactly. bullwinkle428 Oct 2015 #16
Is this the first modern extremist atheist? LittleBlue Oct 2015 #4
Saw a short bio Bradical79 Oct 2015 #58
hrm. "Didn't like organized religion" does not equal "atheist" PeaceNikki Oct 2015 #60
Damn! May they rest in peace. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #5
Ho hum. Another massacre in America. I'm too numb to care anymore. catbyte Oct 2015 #6
Yep....I feel the same way. heartofstone Oct 2015 #30
This has become a nation of professional mourners. Most will go through the ritual, but RKP5637 Oct 2015 #33
From one of the shootings in the past - I don't recall which: CrispyQ Oct 2015 #62
Exactly. I knew any hope was lost when America decided that the mass murder of babies was catbyte Oct 2015 #66
I am the opposite Generic Other Oct 2015 #64
Why have we not yet been given the shooter's identity? razorman Oct 2015 #8
I'm guessing it was so they can gather evidence to make sure he wasn't helped by anyone. n/t pnwmom Oct 2015 #10
cnn did identify him. ellenrr Oct 2015 #20
Thankss. Right after I posted my question, I found a news mention of his identity. razorman Oct 2015 #61
The 4chan thing has been debunked. Texasgal Oct 2015 #9
Partially debunked. The poster apparently wasn't the shooter. pnwmom Oct 2015 #12
No, it's been debunked. Texasgal Oct 2015 #26
Then why did the poster post what he did? nt pnwmom Oct 2015 #29
4chan is known for BS. Texasgal Oct 2015 #32
I hate to break it to you.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2015 #35
Ny Daily News? WTF. That is bullshit. That's even worse than citing the NRA. madinmaryland Oct 2015 #13
Their source is the Twitter account of a young woman who says her grandma was there. PeaceNikki Oct 2015 #14
An "anonymous" twitter account??? Please. madinmaryland tweets... madinmaryland Oct 2015 #17
I was being sarcastic. PeaceNikki Oct 2015 #18
Ok.... madinmaryland Oct 2015 #25
If it was an anonymous quote I'd agree. But there were two women making this claim pnwmom Oct 2015 #15
That doesn't corroborate the "Christians in the head, others in the legs" part PeaceNikki Oct 2015 #21
I was about to post this. pnwmom Oct 2015 #22
Same source. The Twitter account of the alleged granddaughter of an eyewitness. PeaceNikki Oct 2015 #24
No, it's not the same source. Kortney Moore was one of the students who was present. pnwmom Oct 2015 #31
Kortney Moore was one of the students who was present. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #39
MSNBC had yet another account by another eyewitness today pnwmom Oct 2015 #48
The NY Daily News is not the New York Post ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2015 #19
Uhmm. I would pick up the NY Daily News for the crossword puzzle on the way madinmaryland Oct 2015 #27
They endorsed Romney. They are not what they used to be. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #28
I think you are confusing the New York Daily News with the New York Post. onenote Oct 2015 #23
He was a conservative republican (his words) who was non-religious, claimed to be 'spiritual' (nt) The Straight Story Oct 2015 #34
It will take time to get a sense if this was ideology based or a mental health issue. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #36
Hard to believe it wasn't a mental health issue. A sick person latched onto a sick ideology. n/t pnwmom Oct 2015 #38
Msnbc is now reporting Christians were shot in the head. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #37
Christians were shot in the head. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #40
How do you know it was not about religion? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #42
Personally i have no idea what it was about AlbertCat Oct 2015 #43
Maybe the witnesses were reliable or maybe not. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #44
In the fullness of time we will get more info AlbertCat Oct 2015 #46
Well peopld have agendas and will use this to fit their agendas. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #47
And maybe this particular case is about a deluded person who hates Christians for whatever reason. pnwmom Oct 2015 #49
who hates Christians for whatever reason. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #50
It seems rather rare that shootings in the U.S. are just "about religion... again" LanternWaste Oct 2015 #53
This would be rather easy to verify, or debunk. KamaAina Oct 2015 #41
And how do they say they answered this putative religion question? whatthehey Oct 2015 #45
I know this is sick; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #51
just what huckabee needs restorefreedom Oct 2015 #52
What will me fellow duers say now? LukeFL Oct 2015 #54
Do you really fucking think ANYONE here was "salivating and hoping" ANYfuckingthing about this case? PeaceNikki Oct 2015 #59
Another bullshit lie, probably. louis-t Oct 2015 #55
 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
1. Yes, it was a bad day to be a Christian.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:11 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shooting-oregon-umpqua-community-college-article-1.2381711?cid=bitly

Interestingly enough, in the last 20 minutes the death count on that page (my page, not the OP's page) has DROPPED one. That's...odd. Meh.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
56. Proof of the worldwide persecution of Christians!
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:16 PM
Oct 2015

Their torment is unrivaled by any other religion!

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
57. What a horrible persecution complex it must be...
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:19 PM
Oct 2015

...to have to respond to the suffering of others in such a manner.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
63. Exactly what some of these shooters have
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 12:04 PM
Oct 2015

For some reason they feel persecuted by organized religion. Mainly, I think they don't know what they feel. Certainly zero empathy for the suffering of others. A deep dark void that even their guns can't fill.

DavidDvorkin

(19,406 posts)
3. We heard similar stories right after Columbine, that turned out to be untrue
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:31 PM
Oct 2015

Let's be skeptical about this for now.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
7. I strongly agree as a general principle. The one thing that makes this story more credible
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:02 PM
Oct 2015

than some others is that it's not an anonymous claim. A named student who was in the building is making it.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
4. Is this the first modern extremist atheist?
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:35 PM
Oct 2015

The people on 4chan aren't very friendly toward religion. Lining up and shooting Christians seems very suspicious.

Where is this shooter's identity? Very strange.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
58. Saw a short bio
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:21 PM
Oct 2015

An on our local CBS website gives a short rundown on his background.
-Republican
-Didn't like organized religion
-Fixated on other shooting incidents, particularly the amount of attention they get
-Kept to himself

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2015/10/02/cbs-oregon-school-shooter-background.html

catbyte

(34,174 posts)
6. Ho hum. Another massacre in America. I'm too numb to care anymore.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:44 PM
Oct 2015

It's awful, but I'm at the point where I'm just glad it wasn't me or somebody I care about. Congress doesn't care--it's bad for my blood pressure to get worked up over a lost cause. There is no hope.

 

heartofstone

(33 posts)
30. Yep....I feel the same way.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:57 PM
Oct 2015

It's like groundhog day with no end in sight. There will be another one in 3 months and we will have the same conversations, so why bother anymore?

RKP5637

(67,032 posts)
33. This has become a nation of professional mourners. Most will go through the ritual, but
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 10:01 PM
Oct 2015

no corrective action will be taken to try to change the gun culture.

catbyte

(34,174 posts)
66. Exactly. I knew any hope was lost when America decided that the mass murder of babies was
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 06:57 PM
Oct 2015

acceptable. Ammosexuals even claim Sandy Hook was a hoax and a ploy to confiscate their precious fucking guns. How can you combat evil like that?

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
64. I am the opposite
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 12:10 PM
Oct 2015

I was driving off campus at a college north of Umpqua after classes when I heard. By the time I was home, I was crying. For me it is reliving the trauma of them all over and over. My own husband was in a school when a student started shooting. Having to go back to campus the next day gets harder and harder.

I wish I could feel numb. This time, I just feel angry. At the NRA and its enablers. At gun owners for not doing more to curb their own. At our politicians for lacking courage. At us all for our passive acceptance of something we don't have the will to change.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
20. cnn did identify him.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:39 PM
Oct 2015

Chris Harper Mercer, 26, has been identified as the gunman who opened fire Thursday at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, according to news reports

razorman

(1,644 posts)
61. Thankss. Right after I posted my question, I found a news mention of his identity.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:15 AM
Oct 2015

However, I hold off on any opinions about big events for at least 24 - 48 hours after it happens. The first reports are ALWAYS wrong.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
12. Partially debunked. The poster apparently wasn't the shooter.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:24 PM
Oct 2015

But did the poster know the shooter? Has that been ruled out?

Was it just a freaky coincidence that he posted that warning when he did?

Texasgal

(17,029 posts)
32. 4chan is known for BS.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 10:00 PM
Oct 2015

Everyone there posts anonymously.

There is NO way that this can be proven. Even if it is true. 4chan has software that deletes your posts after a certain amount of time. It has also been proven that EGG MAN is not the guy.

I would not believe anything posted on 4chan. Period.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
35. I hate to break it to you....
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 10:02 PM
Oct 2015

....but I would not be shocked if there are posts like that several times a week on all the various seedy internet sites that exist.

This one just hit a location correctly.

madinmaryland

(64,920 posts)
13. Ny Daily News? WTF. That is bullshit. That's even worse than citing the NRA.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:28 PM
Oct 2015

Sorry. Don't mean to castigate you, but this really pisses me off.

It's not religion, it the GIC.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
14. Their source is the Twitter account of a young woman who says her grandma was there.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:33 PM
Oct 2015

Seems legit.


For the sarcastically impaired:

madinmaryland

(64,920 posts)
25. Ok....
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:44 PM
Oct 2015

There were several DUer's a couple of years ago who relied on twitter comments to provide real news. Just really bothered me when it was just speculation masquerading as "real" news.


pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
15. If it was an anonymous quote I'd agree. But there were two women making this claim
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:34 PM
Oct 2015

and they were named in various articles.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/10/mass_shooting_on_roseburg_coll.html#incart_maj-story-1

An 18-year-old student at the school, Kortney Moore, told a Roseburg newspaper that the shooter asked students to state their religion before opening fire. Moore was sitting in her writing class when a bullet blasted through the window and she saw her teacher shot in the head, the News Review reported.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
22. I was about to post this.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:40 PM
Oct 2015

It's a claim only, but by an identified person.

On the other hand, both women are claiming that Christians were shot in the head, but not other people. Does it make an essential difference if the story about non-Christians getting shot in the legs is true or not?

http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/

A woman who claimed to have a grandmother inside a writing class in Snyder Hall, where a portion the massacre unfolded, described the scene in a tweet.

“The shooter was lining people up and asking if they were Christian,” she wrote. “If they said yes, then they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didn’t answer, they were shot in the legs. My grandma just got to my house, and she was in the room. She wasn’t shot, but she is very upset.

The Twitter user, @BodhiLooney, then recalled how her grandmother attempted to save the life of one of her close classmates.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
31. No, it's not the same source. Kortney Moore was one of the students who was present.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:57 PM
Oct 2015

And she reported that students were asked their religion and that Christians were shot in the head.

The question as to whether others were shot in the legs, as claimed by the Twitter user, seems comparatively trivial.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
39. Kortney Moore was one of the students who was present.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:31 PM
Oct 2015

Teenage eyewitnesses under extreme stress do not make for good info.

Neither does second hand info from someone's grandmother.


Eyewitness accounts are most unreliable.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
48. MSNBC had yet another account by another eyewitness today
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:04 PM
Oct 2015

about Christians being shot in the head.

So we'll see.

madinmaryland

(64,920 posts)
27. Uhmm. I would pick up the NY Daily News for the crossword puzzle on the way
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:49 PM
Oct 2015

home from manhattan on the train, but trust me it is by no means liberal. But then again, is the NYT liberal?

Just sayin'

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
40. Christians were shot in the head.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:33 PM
Oct 2015

Just Christians?

I mean, how many could be non-Christian? Surely a very few.



Besides, religion is NOT what this is about.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
42. How do you know it was not about religion?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:12 PM
Oct 2015

Personally i have no idea what it was about but witness said he asked them their religion and those who said they were Christian were shot in the head. Those who said no or did not answer were shot in the leg according to witnesses.

We don't know what it was about yet but religion may have been a part of it.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
43. Personally i have no idea what it was about
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:40 PM
Oct 2015

Indeed.


"but witness said he asked them their religion"

Maybe he did. Maybe he asked 1 or 2. Maybe none at all.

Teenage and elderly (or any!) witnesses are very unreliable.... especially under stress. People see and hear things that did not happen all the time. If one was Christian...and with the current rave for pretending to be persecuted... they might have misperceived things. Every time one remembers something, they are remembering the last memory of it. That's why people incorporate things they didn't know at the time, and things that others have said and all sorts of influences after the fact. Eye witnesses are unreliable. I know it sounds counterintuitive but it is true.

But also, maybe the shooter didn't like Christians, or was treated bad by Christians in the past... or was just sick of hearing about the Pope and Kim Davis.

Doesn't make the shootings any more to less horrible.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
46. In the fullness of time we will get more info
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:51 PM
Oct 2015

Yeah.... but see, now all the stories are about this "Christian persecution" angle. So everything is already not about the shooting.... just religion.... again....

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
49. And maybe this particular case is about a deluded person who hates Christians for whatever reason.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:06 PM
Oct 2015
 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
50. who hates Christians for whatever reason.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:37 PM
Oct 2015

he apparently liked the IRA.... so just some Christians. But he also apparently was "not religious".

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
53. It seems rather rare that shootings in the U.S. are just "about religion... again"
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:59 PM
Oct 2015

It seems rather rare that shootings in the U.S. are just "about religion... again." No doubt, in the 76-hour cycle after a shooting, hypotheses are often forwarded, many of them pertaining to, but rarely predicated on, religion itself. And no doubt, many special interest groups would love to see this, and are often the very ones guilty of attempting to spread the persecution angle, but I rarely see it getting any traction, and inevitably, the shooters motives are most often attributed to racism, despair, illness, etc.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
41. This would be rather easy to verify, or debunk.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:34 PM
Oct 2015

How many people are in the hospital with leg wounds?

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
45. And how do they say they answered this putative religion question?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:46 PM
Oct 2015

If we get a bunch of kneecapped patients all saying "I answered atheist/Hindu/Sikh/anything but Christian when he asked me about religion" then I'll believe this repeat glurge. Not before.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
51. I know this is sick; but ...
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:50 PM
Oct 2015

"Are you Christian"

"Yes"

Bang (in the head)

"Are you Christian"

"No"

Bang (in the leg)

I know how I would have responded!

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
52. just what huckabee needs
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:52 PM
Oct 2015

to continue to play the victim card.
somehow he will try to use this to justify more discrimination against LGBT people, having said nothing about guns.



LukeFL

(594 posts)
54. What will me fellow duers say now?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:03 PM
Oct 2015

You protect more Muslims than American Christians and completely wanted to bury the fact that this happened. I know s lot of you were salivating and hoping it was another gun Christian loving nut case

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
59. Do you really fucking think ANYONE here was "salivating and hoping" ANYfuckingthing about this case?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:31 PM
Oct 2015

Other than that it would be the very last of its kind. You must really fucking think low of the people here. Why are you even here if you think you're surrounded by such callous and violent people?

louis-t

(23,199 posts)
55. Another bullshit lie, probably.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:08 PM
Oct 2015

Remember, they said on of the Sandy Hook guys did the same and turned out not to be true. Right wing Taliban makes up nice stories.

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