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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOregon shooter alleged to have asked students to name their religions
before shooting some of them.
And to have warned of the coming attack on 4chan.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shooting-oregon-umpqua-community-college-article-1.2381711?cid=bitly
"The shooter was lining people up and asking if they were christian," she wrote using the lower-case C. "If they said yes, then they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didn't answer, they were shot in the legs.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11522534
The chilling message read, "Don't go to school tomorrow if you are in the northwest".
It was posted anonymously on bulletin board 4chan, the Daily Mail reported.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)Interestingly enough, in the last 20 minutes the death count on that page (my page, not the OP's page) has DROPPED one. That's...odd. Meh.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Their torment is unrivaled by any other religion!
Shandris
(3,447 posts)...to have to respond to the suffering of others in such a manner.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)For some reason they feel persecuted by organized religion. Mainly, I think they don't know what they feel. Certainly zero empathy for the suffering of others. A deep dark void that even their guns can't fill.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)tishaLA
(14,176 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,763 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,406 posts)Let's be skeptical about this for now.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)than some others is that it's not an anonymous claim. A named student who was in the building is making it.
bullwinkle428
(20,627 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)The people on 4chan aren't very friendly toward religion. Lining up and shooting Christians seems very suspicious.
Where is this shooter's identity? Very strange.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)An on our local CBS website gives a short rundown on his background.
-Republican
-Didn't like organized religion
-Fixated on other shooting incidents, particularly the amount of attention they get
-Kept to himself
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2015/10/02/cbs-oregon-school-shooter-background.html
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)catbyte
(34,174 posts)It's awful, but I'm at the point where I'm just glad it wasn't me or somebody I care about. Congress doesn't care--it's bad for my blood pressure to get worked up over a lost cause. There is no hope.
heartofstone
(33 posts)It's like groundhog day with no end in sight. There will be another one in 3 months and we will have the same conversations, so why bother anymore?
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)no corrective action will be taken to try to change the gun culture.
CrispyQ
(36,231 posts)catbyte
(34,174 posts)acceptable. Ammosexuals even claim Sandy Hook was a hoax and a ploy to confiscate their precious fucking guns. How can you combat evil like that?
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)I was driving off campus at a college north of Umpqua after classes when I heard. By the time I was home, I was crying. For me it is reliving the trauma of them all over and over. My own husband was in a school when a student started shooting. Having to go back to campus the next day gets harder and harder.
I wish I could feel numb. This time, I just feel angry. At the NRA and its enablers. At gun owners for not doing more to curb their own. At our politicians for lacking courage. At us all for our passive acceptance of something we don't have the will to change.
razorman
(1,644 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)ellenrr
(3,864 posts)Chris Harper Mercer, 26, has been identified as the gunman who opened fire Thursday at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, according to news reports
razorman
(1,644 posts)However, I hold off on any opinions about big events for at least 24 - 48 hours after it happens. The first reports are ALWAYS wrong.
Texasgal
(17,029 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)But did the poster know the shooter? Has that been ruled out?
Was it just a freaky coincidence that he posted that warning when he did?
Texasgal
(17,029 posts)Completely.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Texasgal
(17,029 posts)Everyone there posts anonymously.
There is NO way that this can be proven. Even if it is true. 4chan has software that deletes your posts after a certain amount of time. It has also been proven that EGG MAN is not the guy.
I would not believe anything posted on 4chan. Period.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....but I would not be shocked if there are posts like that several times a week on all the various seedy internet sites that exist.
This one just hit a location correctly.
madinmaryland
(64,920 posts)Sorry. Don't mean to castigate you, but this really pisses me off.
It's not religion, it the GIC.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Seems legit.
For the sarcastically impaired:
madinmaryland
(64,920 posts)nt
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)madinmaryland
(64,920 posts)There were several DUer's a couple of years ago who relied on twitter comments to provide real news. Just really bothered me when it was just speculation masquerading as "real" news.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)and they were named in various articles.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/10/mass_shooting_on_roseburg_coll.html#incart_maj-story-1
An 18-year-old student at the school, Kortney Moore, told a Roseburg newspaper that the shooter asked students to state their religion before opening fire. Moore was sitting in her writing class when a bullet blasted through the window and she saw her teacher shot in the head, the News Review reported.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)It's a claim only, but by an identified person.
On the other hand, both women are claiming that Christians were shot in the head, but not other people. Does it make an essential difference if the story about non-Christians getting shot in the legs is true or not?
http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/
A woman who claimed to have a grandmother inside a writing class in Snyder Hall, where a portion the massacre unfolded, described the scene in a tweet.
The shooter was lining people up and asking if they were Christian, she wrote. If they said yes, then they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didnt answer, they were shot in the legs. My grandma just got to my house, and she was in the room. She wasnt shot, but she is very upset.
The Twitter user, @BodhiLooney, then recalled how her grandmother attempted to save the life of one of her close classmates.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)And she reported that students were asked their religion and that Christians were shot in the head.
The question as to whether others were shot in the legs, as claimed by the Twitter user, seems comparatively trivial.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Teenage eyewitnesses under extreme stress do not make for good info.
Neither does second hand info from someone's grandmother.
Eyewitness accounts are most unreliable.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)about Christians being shot in the head.
So we'll see.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Daily News is fairly liberal. I wouldn't read it otherwise.
madinmaryland
(64,920 posts)home from manhattan on the train, but trust me it is by no means liberal. But then again, is the NYT liberal?
Just sayin'
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)onenote
(42,383 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Just Christians?
I mean, how many could be non-Christian? Surely a very few.
Besides, religion is NOT what this is about.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Personally i have no idea what it was about but witness said he asked them their religion and those who said they were Christian were shot in the head. Those who said no or did not answer were shot in the leg according to witnesses.
We don't know what it was about yet but religion may have been a part of it.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Indeed.
"but witness said he asked them their religion"
Maybe he did. Maybe he asked 1 or 2. Maybe none at all.
Teenage and elderly (or any!) witnesses are very unreliable.... especially under stress. People see and hear things that did not happen all the time. If one was Christian...and with the current rave for pretending to be persecuted... they might have misperceived things. Every time one remembers something, they are remembering the last memory of it. That's why people incorporate things they didn't know at the time, and things that others have said and all sorts of influences after the fact. Eye witnesses are unreliable. I know it sounds counterintuitive but it is true.
But also, maybe the shooter didn't like Christians, or was treated bad by Christians in the past... or was just sick of hearing about the Pope and Kim Davis.
Doesn't make the shootings any more to less horrible.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)In the fullness of time we will get more info.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Yeah.... but see, now all the stories are about this "Christian persecution" angle. So everything is already not about the shooting.... just religion.... again....
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)he apparently liked the IRA.... so just some Christians. But he also apparently was "not religious".
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It seems rather rare that shootings in the U.S. are just "about religion... again." No doubt, in the 76-hour cycle after a shooting, hypotheses are often forwarded, many of them pertaining to, but rarely predicated on, religion itself. And no doubt, many special interest groups would love to see this, and are often the very ones guilty of attempting to spread the persecution angle, but I rarely see it getting any traction, and inevitably, the shooters motives are most often attributed to racism, despair, illness, etc.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)How many people are in the hospital with leg wounds?
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)If we get a bunch of kneecapped patients all saying "I answered atheist/Hindu/Sikh/anything but Christian when he asked me about religion" then I'll believe this repeat glurge. Not before.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"Are you Christian"
"Yes"
Bang (in the head)
"Are you Christian"
"No"
Bang (in the leg)
I know how I would have responded!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)to continue to play the victim card.
somehow he will try to use this to justify more discrimination against LGBT people, having said nothing about guns.
LukeFL
(594 posts)You protect more Muslims than American Christians and completely wanted to bury the fact that this happened. I know s lot of you were salivating and hoping it was another gun Christian loving nut case
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Other than that it would be the very last of its kind. You must really fucking think low of the people here. Why are you even here if you think you're surrounded by such callous and violent people?
louis-t
(23,199 posts)Remember, they said on of the Sandy Hook guys did the same and turned out not to be true. Right wing Taliban makes up nice stories.