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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:09 AM Oct 2015

One Day After Warning Russia of Civilian Casualties, the U.S. Bombs a Hospital in Afghanistan

Yesterday afternoon, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power marched to Twitter to proclaim: “we call on Russia to immediately cease attacks on Syrian oppo[sition and] civilians.” Along with that decree, she posted a statement from the U.S. and several of its closest authoritarian allies – including Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UK – warning Russia that civilian casualties “will only fuel more extremism and radicalization.”

Early this morning, in the Afghan city of Kunduz, the U.S. dropped bombs on a hospital run by Doctors Without Borders (Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF)). The airstrike killed at least 9 of the hospital’s medical staff, and seriously injured dozens of patients. “Among the dead was the Afghan head of the hospital, Abdul Sattar,” reported The New York Times.

Jason Cone, MSF’s Executive Director, said the medical charity “condemns in the strongest possible terms the horrific bombing of its hospital in Kunduz full of staff and patients.” He added that “all parties [to the] conflict, including in Kabul & Washington, were clearly informed of precise GPS Coordinates of MSF facilities in Kunduz,” and that the “precise location of MSF Kunduz hospital [was] communicated to all parties on multiple occasions over past months, including on 9/29.” Worst of all, from MSF itself:

Bombing continued for >30 minutes after American & Afghan military officials in Kabul & Washington first informed of proximity to hospital.

— MSF International (@MSF) October 3, 2015

For its part, the U.S. military in Afghanistan issued a statement acknowledging that it carried out airstrikes, claimed they were conducted “against individuals threatening the force,” and conceded that “the strike may have resulted in collateral damage to a nearby medical facility.” But the NYT reported: “From early on, the Taliban had respected the hospital’s request not to bring weapons inside, according to staff members, and the hospital had been a refuge in the shattered city of Kunduz. It was a place where the wounded from all sides were treated.”


https://theintercept.com/2015/10/03/one-day-after-warning-russia-of-civilian-casualties-the-u-s-bombs-a-hospital-in-the-war-obama-ended/
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One Day After Warning Russia of Civilian Casualties, the U.S. Bombs a Hospital in Afghanistan (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 OP
Sowing terror seeds East and West. The President must be so proud! Scuba Oct 2015 #1
Well let's hear from the French malaise Oct 2015 #2
Collateral damage. djean111 Oct 2015 #3
The spinging has already started Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #4
So they want to go from collateral damage to deliberate attack? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #7
The Israelis got a hospital in Gaza, trotted out exactly the same excuse. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #13
Yep and guess who defended them??n/t malaise Oct 2015 #24
This is why I find the POTUS' expression of shock at our culture's violence somewhat insincere. Bonobo Oct 2015 #5
+all. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #8
Oh, I'm sure he's completely sincere. malthaussen Oct 2015 #11
+1000 nt Logical Oct 2015 #16
Yep - ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #20
Well said. nt City Lights Oct 2015 #27
c.mon, the u.s. is only country allowed to spread mayhem across the globe in the name on nat. sec. KG Oct 2015 #6
Just unbelievable karma. Blowback 7wo7rees Oct 2015 #9
Birds of a feather...nt Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #10
It is remarkable FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #12
Anyone remember the USS Liberty? 1967 nt 7wo7rees Oct 2015 #14
Whats the liberty?...nt Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #15
come on, really? FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author EX500rider Oct 2015 #18
Google is your friend, sometimes. 7wo7rees Oct 2015 #19
yikes Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #21
And liberals condemn all civilian casualties regardless of where the bomb was made and pampango Oct 2015 #22
Inexcusable! red dog 1 Oct 2015 #23
And liberals condemn them both. n/t pampango Oct 2015 #25
President Obama ranks right up there with Bush and Cheney now. cwydro Oct 2015 #26
It will only fuel more extremism and radicalization. azmom Oct 2015 #28
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Collateral damage.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:13 AM
Oct 2015

Looking more and more like the entire country, if not the entire world, is just "collateral damage" to the hawks.
IMO we have no moral high ground to stand on here.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
4. The spinging has already started
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:18 AM
Oct 2015

So sad

They are saying that "10-15" terrorists were hiding in the hospital ( which is bullshit)

Hospital should be off limits period

we can bombing civilians all over the freakin global from Yemen, to Syria, to Afghanistan, and Iraq

When does it stop

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
5. This is why I find the POTUS' expression of shock at our culture's violence somewhat insincere.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:19 AM
Oct 2015

Violence is violence.

It is impossible to raise young people who find violence abhorrent or unthinkable when our government is in the very mundane and routine business of killing people.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
11. Oh, I'm sure he's completely sincere.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:46 AM
Oct 2015

But as usual, there is some difference of perspective about who is allowed to use violence. The coercive authority? Check. You and me? No, no, that's shocking!

Bob Heinlein's character Doc de la Paz suggested that the key question of political theory is "when is it moral for a government to do what its citizens are not allowed to do?" Bombing other people back into the stone age is illustrative of this.

-- Mal

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
9. Just unbelievable karma. Blowback
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:39 AM
Oct 2015

Chickens coming home to roost

Pot calling kettle black

Feel free to add more!

Oh yeah, my fave!

HYPOCRISY!!!!

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
12. It is remarkable
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:51 AM
Oct 2015

how this is so reminiscent of an Israeli operation. Seems quite intentional, given the bombing went on for an hour after commanders were told it was a hospital.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
17. come on, really?
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:14 AM
Oct 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident


The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War.[3] The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[4] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][5]
Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship.[6] Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity,[2] though others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was delib
erate.[7]

Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #15)

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
19. Google is your friend, sometimes.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:19 AM
Oct 2015

6 day war, Israel. 34-38 dead, 171 wounded, Israel nearly sunk the ship. Whoops, sorry, mistake, we missed the US flag flying on the mast of your vessel..... Our bad.....

Yeah, strangely reminiscent........

pampango

(24,692 posts)
22. And liberals condemn all civilian casualties regardless of where the bomb was made and
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 07:42 AM
Oct 2015

where the pilot hails from.

The urge to bomb 'really bad' guys - ISIS, Taliban, etc. - is understandable and the US, Russia, France and the UK are doing it.

Of course, accidents (if true) are less morally offensive (and less criminal under international law) than intentional targeting of or wanton disregard for civilians but a dead doctor, child or other civilian is no less dead because it was an accident.

red dog 1

(27,783 posts)
23. Inexcusable!
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 03:05 PM
Oct 2015

How can President Obama ask Russia not to bomb certain targets in Syria, while the US is bombing hospitals in Afghanistan?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
26. President Obama ranks right up there with Bush and Cheney now.
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

Sickening. Inexcusable.

A Nobel Peace prize winner....wow.

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