"Always a rush after a big shooting"

[kpete]

GREAT FOR BUSINESS

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https://twitter.com/rorycarroll72/status/650061953553928192

[IVoteDFL]

1. True of ammunition too. I used to ship the stuff

Gun culture

[yeoman6987]

27. I never owned a gun, but I refuse to get hyper about this.

Both sides of the political system have done anything about this. We can't do it with republicans and we can't do it with 60 democratic senators. So getting upset is all we have.

[Eleanors38]

2. Correction: The rush to buy follows "politicizing" a big shooting. You don't know this by now?

[Electric Monk]

3. Correction: media saturation coverage of spree shootings inspires copycat crimes and wannabes

[Eleanors38]

14. While I can agree with you, the OP was about buying patterns, right?

[kpete]

4. 'Daddy, he began to shoot": A daughter's account of Oregon rampage

“He walked over my daughter and shot the next one,” Scroggins said.

Lacey told her father that at one point she could hear a woman tell the gunman, “I'm sorry that you are going through this -- I'm sorry that somebody has hurt you.”

“I bet you are, but it's not good enough,” Lacey remembered the gunman replying, and then, she said, he shot the woman.


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-shooting-20151004-story.html




this is a human tragedy,
to simply CONTINUE to ignore & move on.....
is EXACTLY the political calculation that the NRA is counting on




peace,
kp

[Eleanors38]

18. No one is forcing people to ignore. But the dynamic of gun-buying is known...

After Sandy Hook, it was made clear: When the usual gun-ban suspects grab the mic and start bellowing for "ban, ban, ban," the pro-2A side responds. Frankly, the extremism of the controller/banners keeps the lockstep anchored firmly in place. Too much energy, time, and political loss has been wasted on the wholly futuile effort at legislating gun control. It is mute testimony to what the RW has done: It has so emasculated the Democratic Party regarding progressive policies and actions, that some feel that gun control/bans one of the Party's progressive policies which must be protected from erosion. In reality, it is just re-hashing another ban philosophy. If anything, that is the calculation the NRA is counting on.

IMO, ignoring All isues has been the order of the day in this post-MSM era. It has become very easy to tune in, turn OFF, and drop out, much easier than Leary imagined.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

23. Don't even try to shift the blame.

You own this shit.

[Eleanors38]

25. The "blame" (or dynamic) is manifest, even acknowledged by some controllers...

There is a mass shooting, the more extreme prohibitionists get big air time, the pro-2A people (including extremists) counterattack in a variety of ways, the lockstep continues.

MSM knows the drill as well, and will quickly move on. Maybe it is time you completely re-think your approach, up to and including defining what it is you are after. To that degree, we ALL "own it."

To reiterate, just what is it you are after?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

26. The problem with your logic is.....

....there's never been any sort of actual legislative effort for a blanket prohibition on all gun ownership in response to any mass shooting. None. Nada. Zero.

Therefore, the overreaction falls solely on the shoulders of the "pro-2A people". This isn't a "street goes both ways" type of situation.

[Eleanors38]

28. The issue is gun sales after controller reaction to a shooting event.

There were some vocal banners after Sandy Hook who blew long and hard about Confiscating so-called "assault weapons" on NPR. 'Guess the one I heard must have been thinking it was the 1980s when Duran Duran was charting, and MSM could pump that gas and get no pushback. Did you see the footage of huge lines and traffic jams around gun shows? It was a phenomenon which went way beyond "they're gonna take my gunz" or some such. Those were Demonstrations.

You are wrong. The street Does run both ways, with a "Street Closed" sign at both ends.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

29. The issue is a pathological sickness in responsible to a horrific event.

And if you are going to compare one side advocating a position as their position and the other side going out and buying semi-automatic rifles as their position, I think if you're honest with yourself you'll see which side is the sick one here.

If you're honest with yourself, that is.

[Eleanors38]

31. You so want to cast the pall of psycho sickness on millions. Unfortunate...

but that is the inevitability of prohibitionism when it descends into the full-blown culture war that always accompanies bans. Do you Honestly believe everyone ran out and bought up guns after the U of Texas mass murder (1966)? Sure, there were some calls for the usual stuff we hear about 50 yrs later, but not much to mention. Things are different. When a big shooting occurs now, there are very Loud calls for bans and controls and even confiscations resulting in the conscious and deliberate reactions I alluded to. This is why most in MSM will soon back off their usual bloviating: They realize it makes matters worse, from their perspective, if for no other reason than the reaction runs completely counter to a gun prohibition tenet: More guns make crimes easier. They also know they are in no position or condition to "lead the charge" as they were in the past. It's not the incident, it's the prohibitionist rhetoric.

I am generally pretty honest with myself in these discussions, and have learned a lot I never expected to learn as a result. The tactics (if not the strategies) of 2A activists have evolved significantly in ways I never expected. The tactics and strategies of the prohibitionist have stagnated to the point of moral indolence. In this instant issue, the new response by 2A activists has jammed controllers and prohibitionists into a damned if I do, damned if I don't position. This in itself indicates the very foundation of the gun-control dilemma is broken; as in, the approach has been wrong for decades.

[geek tragedy]

34. support for gun control was much higher back then,

the difference is that guns have become part of the partisan identity of our White Nationalist (Republican) party

Gun laws are less restrictive than ever, but the gun addicts still go out and spend obscene amounts of money on yet another death stick to keep around the house. Because they buy into rightwing paranoid fantasies.

There is about a 1:100 prohibitionist:gun-humper paranoia ratio.

This is the mental defect of the gun fetishists, don't you dare try to blame it on people who want the gun laws that govern the entire civilized world outside our borders.

[Eleanors38]

36. The "blame" for the MSM and controller politicians shutting down early...

is mute recognition that ban rhetoric is counter productive.

Ask yourself: Do more guns lead to more crime and mass shootings? (You will probably answer "yes.&quot

Ask yourself: Does the ban rhetoric in the wake of a shooting lead to more guns?

[geek tragedy]

38. gun nuts are paranoid rightwingers, so even if there were no ban calls they'd imagine them.

these nuts think registration=confiscation, and oppose any and all basic measures to control gun violence.

that they are not rational enough to debate gun policy, but rather flock to their local arms merchant to fork over an entire paycheck whenever the voices on crazy rw radio tell them that some scary liberal is coming for their guns

you might as well try to blame liberals for Cliven Bundy

[underpants]

30. OH brother not this crap

It is a political issue. We know where this "no fair talking about it!!" Nonsense comes from. Delay delay delay until another story (real or imagined) comes up. Then we have another mass shooting - see this is the point of the post, it's just understood that there WILL BE another mass killing with guns. Get it? - the obvious points will be made and the delaying tactic will fill the airways yet again.

[Eleanors38]

33. I have no problem with talking about and proposing ideas...

I have done so in the past, and will continue to do so.

[geek tragedy]

32. why do these sick people need so many goddamn guns?

Why do they need private arsenals of rifles and pistols?

Just who do they anticipate that they'd need to shoot with that many weapons?

[Eleanors38]

35. As mentioned in my posts, the upsurge in sales, imo, is a demonstration...

For some, there is an overwrought fear of prohibition. For some, it is collector-speculation. But for others, the ban rhetoric is a cue to stand in line and Pay to get into gun shows, Pay to buy a gun, Pay to purchase ammo, and to Not hide their faces in shame while doing so.

They are sending a message.

It is a new phenomenon that controller/banners seem unwilling to even acknowledge, though I can see why they wouldn't.

[geek tragedy]

37. seems rather pathological, the gun industry really has those yokels worked up over nothing nt

[Eleanors38]

39. President Obama, former House Speaker Pelosi, former A.G. Holder ALL...

called for a ban on so-called "assault weapons" while holding their respective offices. Regardless of the likelihood of that ban being enacted, such pronouncements might convince a neutral observer that a ban -- with the requisite actors in place to effect it -- was in the offing. That's not "nothing."

[geek tragedy]

41. Everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows our rightwing Congress won't pass any law that

would inconvenience anyone in the purchase, sale, or use of a gun.

it's a good think it's not necessary to vote to ban SAMs and RPGs.

[Rex]

40. They do just like junkies going for another fix.

These folks are addicts. They horde guns and get mad if you bring it up. The talk of 'gun controllers' is really cute in that nobody controls their addiction to firearms, they can buy a million guns. Nobody will ever come for their guns, so they just self-feed the sickness imo.

I see a lot of paranoid people falling for the same crap that fundies and preppers fall for. Usually the same group of people.

[Hoyt]

5. Yep, big lines of racists where I live snatching up ARs after Sandy Hook. The lines looked

like a KKK gathering.

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. So... to summarize; a bunch of people in white robes and pointy hats standing in line huh?

Otherwise, you're talking out your ass. Equating guns with racism is a fools endeavor. Maybe that's why you're so quick to mention both in the same sentence.

If they weren't wearing white robes, your mentioning the KKK is creative at best, assholery at worst.

[Journeyman]

13. Touché . . .

Mindless hyperbole is destructive to whatever cause it's employed in service to, and invariably results more in blowback than enlightenment.

[GGJohn]

12. How the fuck do you know they were racists?

You have no fucking idea if they are racists or not.

[branford]

15. Since you obviously can sense racism in men's hearts from afar,

could your clairvoyance also provide data concerning how many of those particular racists with shiny new AR's subsequently committed any crimes, with or without a firearm?

With all these new purchases, crimes involving dreaded assault weapons must have dramatically increased since Sandy Hook...

[Hoyt]

19. I grew up with these folks, pretty easy to spot a racist, especially when salivating

over an intimidating AR.

There are many gunners who don't think NRA Board members are racist.



You might want to read about guns and racism. Here's just one link:http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/04/1427271/-Where-The-Killing-Never-Stops

[GGJohn]

20. Yeah Hoyt, we, like, totally believe,

because you've been sooo honest on the firearm issue.

[branford]

21. Sigh... I inquire again.

Since you're so intimately familiar with the people at issues, can you provide any data concerning how many of those particular racists with shiny new AR's subsequently committed any crimes, with or without a firearm?

Have crimes involving assault weapons statistically increased at all after the buying spree from Sandy Hook?

[louis-t]

6. If I were a religious person, I would say

Lady, one day you will stand before Christ himself and have that stupid grin slapped off of your face.

[Vinca]

7. Gee, Candi is a totally giddy merchant of death.

Ain't life great? But Candi needs to stop counting her money and think for a second. What's to stop a person from running into her shop with a loaded weapon and shooting her in the head? Nothing. There's lots of guns in the photo and probably lots of people standing around who can shoot them. But they won't have time to save poor, greedy Candi. No one is safe, not even a merchant of death.

[Gothmog]

8. This is so very very sad

[ileus]

9. Not this time....of the 4 shops I've been in since the shooting

all of them had plenty of stock.

[branford]

16. I imagine the impulse, spur, emotive and political purchases

rapidly began to diminish after nothing passed in Congress due to Sandy Hook and then the Republicans took control of Congress.

The market is probably fairly saturated.

[etherealtruth]

11. I am hoping the photo of that @$$-hole was taken at a previous time

One would hope that even those that trade in implements of murder and destruction, that one would not be grinning from ear to ear because of $$$$ after another horrific gun slaughter

[Crunchy Frog]

17. Aw, look at that sweet beaming face.

Perfect reflection of American value systems.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

22. What the fuck is wrong with people?

And don't even try to shift the blame here.

Sick, sick, sick, sick, sick people.

[alarimer]

24. These people are sick.

They make me sick as well. God do I hate gun-fondlers. They can all go straight to hell.

A 5,000% sales tax might take care of it.

[Initech]

42. This is why we can't have nice things.