Republican Climate Deniers - more "stuff happens" in South Carolina - seeks another federal bailout

[LVZ]

http://climatecrocks.com/2015/10/03/joaquin-climate-makes-a-minor-storm-major/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/republican-states-most-dependent-government_n_5035877.html

South Carolina is already the state that is dead last on return of federal taxpayer investment, i.e, another deadbeat red state filled with Republican whiners always complaining about federal taxes.

The state with the lowest return on taxpayer investment is South Carolina.
Its citizens pay $1 in taxes per capita for every $7.87 in federal funding received.

[cherokeeprogressive]

1. So fucking what. They've had a disaster. They're fucking Americans. The Feds should help.

"federal taxpayer investment" WTF is that?

People like you, who would say "fuck off" to every Democrat in a particular state because you don't like the politics of that state's majority make me sick.

[CatWoman]

2. Cherokee

the OP does have a point.

I have family in VA, SC and NC and have been watching the disaster(s) unfold.

I'm not saying those states don't deserve help, but a lot of the anti government venom coming from them needs to stop.

[cherokeeprogressive]

3. They are still Americans.

It doesn't matter to me what their politics are or what they chant in secret meetings or how much of the federal tax revenue is spent in their state.

[atreides1]

26. I don't think they are Americans

At least not full time Americans, only when it's convenient, like during natural disasters!

Once the waters have subsided the venom will start to flow again and the anti-American sentiment that permeates the state will once again be prevalent...until the next flood, hurricane, or earth quake! Then they'll be "Americans" again!!!

[mercuryblues]

29. glad to know

this. I am sure every Du'er in SC appreciates the idea that according to you they are not full time Americans.


This whole OP is fucking disgusting.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

43. Every discerning DUer reading that knows that progressives in the state are the exception. So chill

the fuck out.

[LVZ]

4. just pointing out Republican hypocrisy - apparently you like hypocrisy ??

I never said the feds should not help.

31 Senate Republicans tried to stop Hurricane Sandy aid obviously because it was for the Northeast.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/29/1510041/sandy-aid-republican-hypocrites/

[cherokeeprogressive]

5. What I'm okay with; is Americans helping Americans in need. Apparently you're not.

Apparently, political differences lead you to write off people in a state who don't follow the politics of those you disagree with.

Apparently, you'd give a hearty "FUCK YOU" to fellow Democrats for living in a state where they're in the political minority and not think twice about it.

[edhopper]

8. Apparently you cannot tell the difference between

calling out hypocritical and ignorant politicians, and helping citizens.
Please find were there OP says we shouldn't help SC, as opposed to criticizing it's Governor.

Your indignation is misplaced.

[cherokeeprogressive]

9. Yeah. Apparently.

[CatWoman]

16. it truly is

[rbrnmw]

12. I could've been 1 of them along with my kids I always vote for Democrats

I came to Ohio to care for ailing parents who passed away I wanted to move back but hadn't yet. I have dear friends there I feel this is insulting and OP should self delete

[LVZ]

13. You seem to be reading in something that is not there ...

South Carolina, like any state in a similar situation, should get relief.

South Carolina politicians who whine about federal taxes should not.

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. My first thought in a natural disaster like this is for the PEOPLE, not the POLITICS.

Apparently we're not all wired that way.

[edhopper]

15. So when is the right time to talk about

Republicans hypocrisies?

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. Why does it seem people are only interested in talking about it when an entire state is in need?

Do you think the OP has posted anything at all about republican hypocrisy in SC ever, in his 14 years at DU?

Why now?

[LVZ]

18. WTF are you babbling about? I have not posted "anything" about SC before - relevancy?

However, I am sure that I have posted about Republican hypocrisy on many occasions about many things.

[edhopper]

20. You sound like pro-gun pols

Who say a mass shooting is not the time to talk about gun laws.

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. I think I sound like an American who believes politics shouldn't be involved in aid situations.

[edhopper]

23. So we shouldn't talk about the causes

behind the situations? Or call out the politicians that deny those causes.
Don't you think a true leader would say we must address those causes when her State is being flooded, and not continue to attack the people who want to address it.

Tell me when can we talk about Climate Change?

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. I see the OP as being more about the politics of aid than climate change. You see it differently.

Sorry we disagree, but we do.

[edhopper]

27. What are the first three words of the OP?

[cherokeeprogressive]

28. The OP had more than three words.

How many times after the first three words was climate change mentioned? None. A whole lotta whining about how the federal "investment" in SC wasn't paying off though.

I do believe we're done here.

[edhopper]

33. So you also think that when a Governor

who has made a career out of condemning the Federal Government as evil and talks about how taxes for the rich have to be lowered, in a State that takes 7 times the amount they give back in taxes, when they ask for Federal aid, it is wrong to point out these things?

Notice we are not talking about the people in need, but their Governor. Neither are we saying they should not get that aid.
That is what the other side says.

But you want us to stay silent about this hypocrisy. Why?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

44. I don't consider anyone with an R after their name or in their heart "Americans". They are an

abomination and a poison to America.

[BlueJazz]

36. I think you're doing just fine. Good points.

[stage left]

6. thank you.

Columbia, SC has flooding like I've never seen there before. I'm in Greenville. We got lucky.

[cherokeeprogressive]

7. You have all my good wishes. Apparently, the OP would write you off for living in SC.

I hate that. Maybe he thinks you should move, or something.

Be safe.

[LVZ]

10. Are you a Republican since you seem to live in an evidence-free zone

Don't post shit that you know nothing about.

Again, I repeat, I never said South Carolina should not get federal assistance. Stop being an asshole.

[cherokeeprogressive]

11. Mmmmkay.

[cwydro]

57. I don't alert on posts, but you should edit this.

Personal attack.

I agree with Cherokee on the other points, but I can see you think you're better than anyone who might live in SC so no point in trying to speak logically with you.

[mercuryblues]

30. thank you

The OP comes off as; they already get so much fed money, now they want more. Incredible.

[LVZ]

31. some people read in stuff that's just not there - incredible n/t

[mercuryblues]

32. and some people

put politics ahead of all else. In this thread I learned South Carolinians aren't ever real Americans. Incredible. Some Du'ers have had to evacuate due to their homes being flooded. Some have family and friends they can't get a hold of.

So yes this OP is incredibly sanctimonious and eliciting some disgusting responses.

[BlueJazz]

37. Why do you want all of us to launch an Atomic Bomb on South Carolina ??

I've never, in all my years at DU, seen anyone hate the people in SC so much.

[kentauros]

38. You mean like this part that is supposedly not there?

...another deadbeat red state...

Here's how that reads to me and others here: [font color="blue"]Conditional Compassion.[/font]

That is, "Liberals like me find your hypocrisy as sufficient evidence for your state to be unworthy of further federal monetary support for whatever disaster you're going through at this time. So, we are going to point it out and shame everyone instead of leaving the politicizing of a natural disaster alone and instead offering our unconditional help and support."

At least, that's how I read it, and every other similar thread that has been posted on DU whenever one of the supposed "red states" is going through some truly horrendous natural disaster.

[cwydro]

58. Thank you.

Good post.

[kentauros]

59. Thank you, too

I saw that thread in LBN (which was worse in replies) and the likes of threads similar to it do make me wonder if I am on a truly liberal board or not. I thought we were supposed to be the compassionate ones...

[cwydro]

60. I've seen others like this.

I agree; it's sad.

[CatWoman]

19. I'll take it a step further

dams are bursting, railroad bridges collapsing, whole communities are under water, and it seems there is more to come.

And how many of those red state congressmen fought the president tooth and nail whenever the subject of repairing infrastructure came up. Every damn one of them.

The ultimate hypocrisy..


https://www.facebook.com/WBTVNews3/photos/pcb.10153007480266455/10153007478886455/?type=3&theater

[edhopper]

21. good point.

[Doctor_J]

25. Sorry nikki. you have whipped up so much hatred against the president and the federal government

that I think it would be a bad idea to send help. Besides we know there are no takers there. Grab your boot straps and pull.

[rbrnmw]

51. Should my loved ones have to suffer?

Or pull themselves up by the bootstraps? Most of them live in Jim Clyburn's district does that make a difference? 1 lives in Joe Wison's district so tuck him right?

[Rex]

34. Hurricane Stuff Happens?

[stage left]

35. To LVZ and all those supporting him here.

President Obama, bless his good heart and his honorable nature, has already authorized disaster aid for South Carolina, I believe. So it's probably too late to stop it. I wonder what the President would say should you go to him with your suggestions that we've already received too much federal money? And we're just grifters? What if you told him we're not real Americans? We're just Americans part time when it suits us. I think he's heard "the not a real American" bit applied to himself and I'll bet he has little patience for it.

I agree that South Carolina's leaders are mainly idiots. But you do realize, don't you that not all white South Carolinians are stupid rednecks? Some of us can read and write and think for ourselves. You do realize that there are quite a few black people, along with women, the backbone of the Democratic Party, in South Carolina? People lost their homes, some lost their lives. Where is your compassion? Do you save it only for the people who believe just as you do?

No one despises Nikki Hayley more than I and no one gets madder at Republican idiocy. I stay exasperated at the people in this state who continually vote for these fools against their own best interests. But even if you could separate them out from the Democrats in this state, I wouldn't deny them help. That's what being a human being is about.

After Sandy hit, I donated what money I could to help. I would imagine many southern members of DU did likewise.

[LVZ]

40. stage left: thanks for once again showing your Republican side: making stuff up that isn't there

So it's probably too late to stop it. I wonder what the President would say should you go to him with your suggestions that we've already received too much federal money?

Total bullshit - nowhere have I said that South Carolina should not get federal aid.

That type of deliberate misrepresentation is just a typical Republican-esque "making stuff up" tactic.

I was pointing out extreme hypocrisy. First, red state politicians are the the most vocal climate change deniers. Second, red state politicians are the loudest whiners about helping others with federal funds.

31 Republican Senators tried to block aid for Sandy Hurricane relief. That relief was intended largely for citizens in the Northeast part of the US. Just a coincidence? I don't think so.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/29/1510041/sandy-aid-republican-hypocrites/

[CatWoman]

42. it's fucking amazing

I see it right before my eyes and I still don't believe it.

But then I've seen flame wars develop just by someone saying something as simple as "have a nice day"........

[cherokeeprogressive]

48. "... nowhere have I said that South Carolina should not get federal aid."

Other posters in this thread HAVE said that. I don't see you chiding them.

Odd, that.

[LVZ]

49. I am not responsible for what others post, even blatant inflamers like yourself ... n/t

[stage left]

61. I agree that

What the Republicans did over the Sandy disaster in New York and New Jersey was despicable. If I never said so here on DU, I apologize.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

39. The federal Gov should not do any thing even DENY them Any Federal Funds for the little bit of rain

they got. They want to deny global warming and by law it is required to be denied in SC . SO they act like asshats treat them like the ass hats they are.

If they can't take care of themselves and they CAN'T, they can't even afford to pay their own bills, we who live in states with high taxes have to CARRY the load for the states that REFUSE to Take care of its citizens, which interestingly enough are ALL Conservative States they have to use the largess of the LIBERAL States to support themselves.

Enough is a enough, seeing that SC can't seem to manage it owns affairs then the Federal Government needs to take over the entire state and get them back on track.

Tough Love is the only way they, the residents of the state, will even learn.

Yeah, Yeah, yeah, some people may die, BFD, they, the people, voted of the ass hats leading them. They need a life lesson too.

[LVZ]

41. A few South Carolina Republican hypocrites

[phylny]

45. I understand your point exactly, and I agree.

I'm in a "taker state" as well (Virginia) and I wish there were a way to make ordinary citizens *get* this, but they don't.

[riderinthestorm]

46. You have a valid point. I'm smh at some of the responses here

Nobody wants to deny aid to SC.

But that doesn't mean they suddenly should be immune to pointing out their leadership's rank hypocrisy.

[cherokeeprogressive]

50. There are posts in this very thread at odds with your first paragraph.

[sufrommich]

47. I don't really care who voted for who in disaster areas,

but if it makes you feel any better,the hardest hit areas are democratic areas:

[rbrnmw]

52. Thank you

[stage left]

64. +1

[pintobean]

65. +1. A picture is worth a thousand words. /nt

[randome]

53. Man, this is like some sort of 'perfect storm' of denigrating someone for pointing out GOP hypocrisy

Amazing. Your point is not lost on the rest of us.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[rbrnmw]

54. Do you have loved ones there?

I do and all of them are special to me,

[randome]

55. My brother's in-laws are there. Doesn't mean we can't call out GOP hypocrisy when we see it,

Give them all the aid they need but at the same time it's okay to smirk at the GOP leaders who refuse to help their own citizens.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[rbrnmw]

56. We don't even know how many are dead yet

They are going door to door in Columbia to see who made it out, My emotions are raw right now, Carry on with the finger pointing if it amuses you, I'm not amused by suffering

[stage left]

63. (((rbrnmw)))

[workinclasszero]

62. Oh hellz naw!

We don't want the goobermint interfering with states rights and all!

Its a false flag SC! (JADE HELM 15).....(BLACK HELICOPTERS!!)....(CHEMTRAILS!!)

[edhopper]

66. I have a relative in Charleston

and they agree with the sentiment of the OP.