Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:18 AM

Epic White House Twitter FAIL on TPP

White House tries to promote TPP on Twitter, fails in EPIC fashion. I have not found one positive reply to their tweet. This thing is HATED.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/651050606094749696

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41 replies	Author	Time	Post
Epic White House Twitter FAIL on TPP (Original post)	FlatBaroque	Oct 2015	OP
Twitter is not a scientific sample	Renew Deal	Oct 2015	#1
Maybe. But...	Wilms	Oct 2015	#3
I think laws should be written and open for review by elected lawmakers....	Spitfire of ATJ	Oct 2015	#11
Yes, regular people don't pay attention to politics very much. Few do.	stillwaiting	Oct 2015	#5
Unions were totally united against the TPP and they not	jwirr	Oct 2015	#15
I hope you are correct. It most definitely SHOULD be that way.	stillwaiting	Oct 2015	#16
I agree with you on the average American citizen. But there	jwirr	Oct 2015	#17
Oh, the irony...	cherokeeprogressive	Oct 2015	#35
It's difficult to watch Obama try and peddle this /nt	think	Oct 2015	#2
McConnell will help him all the way. n/t	Betty Karlson	Oct 2015	#41
I think TPP was always his end game. The few inexpensive little bones he threw us were distractions.	GoneFishin	Oct 2015	#4
Wow, what a simplistic view of the world.	eggplant	Oct 2015	#7
How is it 'simplistic' to think	Marr	Oct 2015	#8
^ this ^	Myrina	Oct 2015	#10
That was exactly how DimSon tried to privatize SS n/t	FlatBaroque	Oct 2015	#19
+ a googolplex	hifiguy	Oct 2015	#23
I LOVED Obama (note the past tense)...	gregcrawford	Oct 2015	#13
Just another business-as-usual disappointment.	Lizzie Poppet	Oct 2015	#14
I bet I had you beat	Doctor_J	Oct 2015	#30
That's now called "reaching across the aisle" and "compromise" and sold to us as a good thing.	arcane1	Oct 2015	#31
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! nt	Enthusiast	Oct 2015	#38
Sure,it's not significant at all that the ONLY cause that he pulled out ALL THE STOPS for is a right	GoneFishin	Oct 2015	#18
The apparent idea is that "strong transnational corporations" = "strong america"	lumberjack_jeff	Oct 2015	#20
Personally, I have always wondered whether all those security lapses--especially	tblue37	Oct 2015	#26
I suppose that even those inside the beltway privilege bubble fear physical harm to themselves	GoneFishin	Oct 2015	#36
his two "major accomplishments" were both epic corporate windfalls.	Doctor_J	Oct 2015	#28
Yep. The super rich got more cash to stuff their already full wallets. The 99% got greeting cards.	GoneFishin	Oct 2015	#34
Agreed. That's why it was saved for his last year in office.	Lorien	Oct 2015	#40
"Just say NO."	James48	Oct 2015	#6
... but yet it will happen anyway, and be called a 'success'	Myrina	Oct 2015	#9
OOPS!	demwing	Oct 2015	#12
Then they better direct their hate to the NYT	Blue_Tires	Oct 2015	#21
That's no excuse whatsoever. That's what Dick Cheney did.	muriel_volestrangler	Oct 2015	#24
Oh, I get it -- This must be one of those days	Blue_Tires	Oct 2015	#25
Well, yes, why should you trust the NYT and White House when you can find out directly?	muriel_volestrangler	Oct 2015	#27
Once the final deal goes back to Congress for debate and final vote	Oilwellian	Oct 2015	#22
Yes	Egnever	Oct 2015	#39
The TPP is a gigantic ball of shit	Aerows	Oct 2015	#29
Can confirm	FlatBaroque	Oct 2015	#32
LOL	Aerows	Oct 2015	#33
Total fail. The TPP is HATED.	Enthusiast	Oct 2015	#37

Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:25 AM

Renew Deal (81,388 posts)

1. Twitter is not a scientific sample

I'm not defending TPP, but Twitter comments can hardly be considered indicative of regular people.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:11 AM

Wilms (26,795 posts)

3. Maybe. But...

I don't think American trade policies should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, and worse, by foreign entities.

How about you?

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Response to Wilms (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:16 PM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

11. I think laws should be written and open for review by elected lawmakers....

Rather than written in secret by unknown corporate lawyers.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:18 AM

stillwaiting (3,795 posts)

5. Yes, regular people don't pay attention to politics very much. Few do.

Otherwise, Bernie would be CRUSHING it right now.

Of those that pay attention CLOSELY, opposition is strongly against the TPP I'd say (this is a small subset of the American population).

Unless you're in the top 5% or so (in which case one might just be buttering their own bread at the expense of the bottom 90% and not losing a minute's sleep over it).

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:28 PM

jwirr (39,215 posts)

15. Unions were totally united against the TPP and they not

only influence their members but the members families and friends. Not to mention all those college students who are having trouble finding jobs, the unemployed and their families, those old enough to remember the effect of NAFTA, and any others who have damned good reasons to be against TPP.

And then those who belong to groups such as Doctors Without Borders who are worried about the rise in the cost of medications, and others that are worried about the environment and finally those who do not want the issues decided in a "world court" outside our own country.

Personally I do not think the number of people against the TPP is all that small.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:53 PM

stillwaiting (3,795 posts)

16. I hope you are correct. It most definitely SHOULD be that way.

I have very little faith in the average American citizen.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:01 PM

jwirr (39,215 posts)

17. I agree with you on the average American citizen. But there

is one group I forgot to mention: All those bigots who hate Obama and anything that he does. They are the average American citizen. In this they will more than likely join us.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:36 PM

cherokeeprogressive (24,853 posts)

35. Oh, the irony...

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:27 AM

think (11,641 posts)

2. It's difficult to watch Obama try and peddle this /nt

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Response to think (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:17 AM

Betty Karlson (7,231 posts)

41. McConnell will help him all the way. n/t

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:22 AM

GoneFishin (5,217 posts)

4. I think TPP was always his end game. The few inexpensive little bones he threw us were distractions.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:59 AM

eggplant (3,766 posts)

7. Wow, what a simplistic view of the world.

Must be a nice place to be.

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Response to eggplant (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:05 PM

Marr (20,317 posts)

8. How is it 'simplistic' to think

that a skilled political team would put off a very unpopular priority item for the second term?

What's simplistic is thinking that anyone with a D next to their name loves you and wants the best for you.

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Response to Marr (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:14 PM

Myrina (12,296 posts)

10. ^ this ^

n/t

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Response to Marr (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:14 PM

FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)

19. That was exactly how DimSon tried to privatize SS n/t

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Response to Marr (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:02 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

23. + a googolplex

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Response to eggplant (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:20 PM

gregcrawford (2,382 posts)

13. I LOVED Obama (note the past tense)...

... and then he appointed Summers and Geithner, two Goldman Sachs alumni, and I knew we'd been played BIG time. Then it was revealed that Goldman Sachs was Obama's biggest single campaign contributor. He's been in the pocket of the banksters from Day One. Why do you think Holder never went after them? Gonefishin's assessment is dead on.

Obama has, indeed, accomplished some great things, but this TPP obscenity will overshadow all of that, and history will not remember him kindly.

So much for your precious "legacy," Barry.

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Response to gregcrawford (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:26 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

14. Just another business-as-usual disappointment.

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Response to gregcrawford (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:24 PM

Doctor_J (36,392 posts)

30. I bet I had you beat

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5114403

It's been so discouraging. I don't think I'm going to be able to vote for Clinton.

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Response to gregcrawford (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:37 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

31. That's now called "reaching across the aisle" and "compromise" and sold to us as a good thing.

I'm sure it's just coincidence that the one Dem candidate whose is most celebrated for being able to "compromise" is also the one Dem who hasn't expressed an opinion on the TPP.

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Response to gregcrawford (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 03:19 AM

Enthusiast (50,983 posts)

38. PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! nt

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Response to eggplant (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:19 PM

GoneFishin (5,217 posts)

18. Sure,it's not significant at all that the ONLY cause that he pulled out ALL THE STOPS for is a right

wing, basically fascist maneuver, negotiated in secret, and which ties the hands of future congresses, and gives the middle finger to U.S. workers, voters, and taxpayers.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:47 PM

lumberjack_jeff (33,224 posts)

20. The apparent idea is that "strong transnational corporations" = "strong america"

Perhaps someone should show the president the definition of "transnational".

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:12 PM

tblue37 (62,077 posts)

26. Personally, I have always wondered whether all those security lapses--especially

the one where a man with a knife got to the foot of the stairway leading to the family quarters where the two girls were asleep, while POTUS and FLOTUS were away--were perhaps warnings, shots across the bow, reminding POTUS that TPTB don't mind a bit of social tinkering, but still insist on having their financial wish list satisfied.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:43 PM

GoneFishin (5,217 posts)

36. I suppose that even those inside the beltway privilege bubble fear physical harm to themselves

and their family. So I imagine that thugs who are used to always getting their way might convey a message that they should accept $500,000 speaking engagements for the next 20 years otherwise some type of unfortunate mishap might occur in the future.

It would explain why no matter what the public wants the politicians just keep enacting more and more fascist policies.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:17 PM

Doctor_J (36,392 posts)

28. his two "major accomplishments" were both epic corporate windfalls.

Nothing he did sided with the 99% over the hyper rich. The absolute best president the oligarchs ever had.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #28)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:32 PM

GoneFishin (5,217 posts)

34. Yep. The super rich got more cash to stuff their already full wallets. The 99% got greeting cards.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:10 AM

Lorien (31,935 posts)

40. Agreed. That's why it was saved for his last year in office.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:43 AM

James48 (4,330 posts)

6. "Just say NO."

No means NO.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:14 PM

Myrina (12,296 posts)

9. ... but yet it will happen anyway, and be called a 'success'

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:16 PM

demwing (16,916 posts)

12. OOPS!

Perried it!

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:50 PM

Blue_Tires (55,445 posts)

21. Then they better direct their hate to the NYT

since the WH was just posting a link to a news story

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:05 PM

muriel_volestrangler (100,080 posts)

24. That's no excuse whatsoever. That's what Dick Cheney did.

"Oooh, it's in the New York Times, it must be true".

Seriously, they must release the full text before they can expect anyone to have something good to say about it.

Meanwhile, here are some reactions direct from environmental organisations, rather than filtered through the NYT and the White House:

More Than a Dozen Environmental Organizations Warn of Trans-Pacific Partnership Risks

Four Reasons Not to Trust the TPP to Save Endangered Animals

Sustainable Development Goals Threatened by Secret Trade Deal

The TPP is a shady deal cooked up behind closed doors, and the details are still being hidden

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #24)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:11 PM

Blue_Tires (55,445 posts)

25. Oh, I get it -- This must be one of those days

when we *don't* trust and have never trusted the New York Times because it didn't jibe with DU groupthink?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:15 PM

muriel_volestrangler (100,080 posts)

27. Well, yes, why should you trust the NYT and White House when you can find out directly?

(when I say 'find out directly', I mean what environmental organisations think, of course, not find out what's in the agreement. That's still sooper-dooper secret).

But you can see that this is a repeat of the Cheney tactics on Iraq - point to what the New York Times says, and hope they have better credibility than the White House does.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:59 PM

Oilwellian (12,647 posts)

22. Once the final deal goes back to Congress for debate and final vote

isn't it finally opened up to the public as well? I've been getting a lot of emails from various liberal orgs. who are now organizing a final push against TPP.

Imagine Republicans defeating the Bill and using the contents of it against Dems during 2016 elections.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #22)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 03:37 AM

Egnever (21,506 posts)

39. Yes

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:18 PM

Aerows (39,961 posts)

29. The TPP is a gigantic ball of shit

wrapped around a horrific zombie brain eater, cloaked with a humongous layer of carrion, refuse and nastiness no vulture would come within a mile of.

Yes, I know that's a dangling participle.

It's *still* much better than the TPP.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #29)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:14 PM

FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)