Uh oh. Argument over whole milk heating up again.

[yellowcanine]

Recent conventional wisdom has been that one should drink low fat or skim milk. Now some are saying otherwise. Dairy industry certain to make a big deal out of this. Stay tuned for a resumption of the milk wars. Got milk?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/06/for-decades-the-government-steered-millions-away-from-whole-milk-was-that-wrong/

[Recursion]

1. I have no time for skim milk

It's not even a real food.

Sorry, I need milkfat, particularly since radical Hindu activists are shutting off my access to meat.

[KamaAina]

24. Radical Hindu activists are shutting off your access to meat?

Wouldn't that just be beef?

[Recursion]

27. No. Shiv Sena is actively cutting off goat and lamb too (nt)

[KamaAina]

28. Sacred goats?!

[NuclearDem]

2. This is why I drink almond milk.

[jberryhill]

3. It takes small hands to milk an almond

[NuclearDem]

5. It's almost udderly impossible.

[Arugula Latte]

69. You guys are nuts.

[TexasBushwhacker]

7. I hope you make your own

store bought nut milks (and soy, coconut, etc) usually have carageenan as an additive. It is an emusufier and thickener extracted from seaweed. Totally natural BUT it causes inflammation, especially in the gut. Now the SO brand has removed carageenan, but has replaced it with xanthan gum which is safe for most people.

[Orrex]

10. They call it "almond milk" because "nut juice" tested poorly with focus groups

This joke is 100% stolen.

[kwassa]

63. There is a condom for that.

[Orrex]

64. Is it available in different flavors?

Condom-mint would be awesome.

[kwassa]

75. No, but I relish the thought.

[Thor_MN]

88. This can only lead to Nutter Butter.

[kwassa]

99. or Almond Joy.

[Arugula Latte]

70. You know what would be cool? If they sold bagged almond milk and called it ...

Nut Juice in a Sack

[DebJ]

111. Now I have to clean my screen LOL. n/t

[titaniumsalute]

82. Nut juice...LOL. I was in a meeting and starting laughing out loud...

[yellowcanine]

115. Strictly speaking almonds are not "nuts" but rather the seeds of stone fruits (drupes).

Just sayin.' "Drupe juice" probably would not be a big sell either.

[Orrex]

118. SPARE ME YOUR WITCHCRAFT, YOU ABOMINATION!!!!!!1!

[kentauros]

116. And it's too bad marketers don't know how to use a dictionary ;)

milk (n.)
Old English meoluc (West Saxon), milc (Anglian), from Proto-Germanic *meluks "milk" (cognates: Old Norse mjolk, Old Frisian melok, Old Saxon miluk, Dutch melk, Old High German miluh, German Milch, Gothic miluks), from *melk- "to milk," from PIE root *melg- "to wipe, to rub off," also "to stroke; to milk," in reference to the hand motion involved in milking an animal (cognates: Greek amelgein, Latin mulgere, Old Church Slavonic mlesti, Lithuanian melžu "to milk," Old Irish melg "milk," Sanskrit marjati "wipes off&quot . Old Church Slavonic noun meleko (Russian moloko, Czech mleko) is considered to be adopted from Germanic.

Of milk-like plant juices from late 14c. Milk chocolate is first recorded 1723; milk shake is first recorded 1889, for a variety of creations, but the modern version is only from the 1930s. Milk tooth (1727) uses the word in its figurative sense "period of infancy," attested from 17c. To cry over spilt milk is first attested 1836 in writing of Canadian humorist Thomas C. Haliburton. Milk and honey is from the Old Testament phrase describing the richness of the Promised Land (Num. xvi:13, Old English meolc and hunie). Milk of human kindness is from "Macbeth" (1605).

milk (v.)
Old English melcan, milcian, meolcian "to milk, give milk, suckle," from Proto-Germanic *melk- "to milk" (cognates: Dutch melken, Old High German melchan, German melken), from PIE root *melg- (see milk (n.)). Figurative sense of "exploit for profit" is first found 1520s. Related: Milked; milking.

I wonder how one milks human kindness anyway. Where's the nipple for that?

[Javaman]

4. for my own personal story...

I drink raw milk from a USDA inspected Dairy. A dairy that supplies milk to a national ice cream brand as well (Blue Bell).

I have been drinking it for 5 years. I'm in my 50's and get yearly physicals and have yet to see any problem with cholesterol, high blood pressure or anything that was supposedly associated with drinking whole milk.

So take that for what it is.

but don't get me wrong, pasteurization certainly has it's place. However, I do have a real issue with homogenization. that needs to be done away with.

[yellowcanine]

6. Pasteurization/homogenization is a separate issue.

You can have whole milk which is pasteurized and homogenized or not.

[TexasProgresive]

13. I think JavaMan is aware of the difference

but the easiest way to get unhomogenized milk is to get it from a grade A raw milk dairy.

I read about a possible cause for the increasing cardio/vascular disease being homogenized milk 40 years ago. The hypothesis being that the process that breaks the membrane around the globules of butterfat exposes them so that they can oxidize, thus the cholesterol becoming corrosive. This, if true, would lead to scaring of the arterial walls giving a place for plaques to build up.

I bet there are no studies done on homogenized v. non-homogenized milk and the incidence of atherosclerosis because they docs and scientist are comfortable with the statistical and clinical studies about whole milk and heart disease. In fact they may not even be aware that there are chemical differences between homogenized and non-homogenized milk

[yellowcanine]

21. Most people are drinking homogenized milk so any studies would reflect that.

In this case the evidence now appears to be that drinking whole milk does not appear to have a significant impact on incidence of heart disease. If what you are saying did occur I would think there would be an impact.

As to the question - there are lots of dairies which produce pasteurized but not homogenized milk. It is way easier to get than raw milk because it can be found in regular retail grocery stores, while raw milk generally cannot. Most retail grocery stores will not touch raw milk because of the potential liability.

[Javaman]

14. of course,

but in my opinion, homogenization should be done away with completely.

[Darb]

84. Why? What does it do?

Consider me a moron on this subject. And others if you must. Let's start with this one.

[laundry_queen]

94. from what I understand

it keeps the milk from separating. If you milk a cow and leave that bucket of milk sitting there, soon you will have a layer of thick cream and a layer of low-fat milk. Homoginized milk means it is treated so that it doesn't separate. The fat is emulsified to keep it from separating from the liquid.

[Javaman]

101. That's exactly right.

it was introduced so "housewives" would buy their milk, cream and butter separately. Prior to homogenization, they could do all those things from just unhomogenized milk.

[jeff47]

103. No, butter always required churning.

You couldn't just take it from a milk bottle.

[laundry_queen]

108. I can't tell if you are joking or not

I'm pretty sure most of us know you need to churn the cream to get the butter. He said they could get all those things from unhomogenized milk. He didn't say you could pluck a lb of butter out of the milk bottle, lol.

[jeff47]

109. Except butter was one of the earliest mass-produced dairy products

(after cheese).

It turns out housewives were not exactly fond of churning to get butter, and preferred sticks. Even when you could get unhomogenized milk.

[laundry_queen]

110. I don't know why that matters in this argument

And my grandmother always churned her own butter until she retired when I was a little kid in the early 80's. My mom even did it for special occasions (using the jar method and whipping cream).

At any rate, the point is that you could. Not that everyone did.

[Javaman]

113. I think you are missing the point,

but whatever.

[jeff47]

102. It keeps the fat suspended in the milk.

Fat isn't water soluble. So it "rises to the top" on raw milk.

In homogenization, they spray the milk through a material with very small holes. That breaks the fat into very small pieces. Those pieces are so small that they do not significantly clump together in the milk.

That keeps the fat distributed throughout the milk instead of separating into basically non-fat milk and cream.

[KamaAina]

23. "A dairy that supplies milk to a national ice cream brand as well (Blue Bell)"

Didn't Blue Bell just have a massive recall over listeria?

[Javaman]

31. actually, yes and no...

the milk was fine, it was the processing plant in Kansas that wasn't clean.

[KamaAina]

32. Kansas?

What happened to "the little creamery in Brenham"?

[Javaman]

39. Oh they're are still there and producing. They just have a larger reach now.

the farm I get my milk from is Stryk Dairy in Flatonia.

[Codeine]

8. Cow milk is for little cows, not people.

Whole it otherwise, it's best avoided entirely.

[Orrex]

11. Cow milk has been consumed for millennia

Not equally by all cultures or regions, of course, but it's probably been part of the human diet since the agricultural revolution.

[Major Nikon]

16. The reason being it's an excellent source of nutrition

[oberliner]

43. Not the version most folks drink now

Have you ever been to a dairy factory farm?

There is nothing natural about what goes on there.

[Orrex]

45. You ever eat vegetables?

All of them, even the "organic" ones, have been genetically engineered for millennia.

"Natural" is a false standard. Nothing that humans do or can do is "unnatural," so it's simply a label applied or withheld depending on the preferences of the speaker.

[Major Nikon]

46. Obviously you've never participated in clown sex

[smiley]

49. I just...

spit milk all over my keyboard!

[Ghost Dog]

54. That sounds very natural

to my ear?

[Orrex]

57. What is this? A witch hunt?

[Arugula Latte]

71. You know what would be a good clown porn name?

"Boinky"

[bettyellen]

73. Nice post, Gacy!

[titaniumsalute]

83. I ate a clown once...tasted funny.

[Arugula Latte]

122. It's a bit off-putting when you eat the nose and it honks.

[oberliner]

48. Certainly the vegetables we eat now are not the ones we ate millennia ago

But I did not suggest otherwise.

My point is the milk we drink now is not comparable to the milk we have been drinking for millennia.

[Major Nikon]

50. Not sure what metric you're using to compare

Nutritionally it's directly comparable.

[Orrex]

58. And my point is that the vegetables aren't, either

You're cherry-picking, if you'll excuse the quasi-pun.

You approve of one kind of "unnatural," so you decide it's not a big deal.

But you reject another kind of "unnatural," so you declare it unacceptable.

[oberliner]

60. I didn't declare anything unacceptable

I also didn't say I approved of unnatural vegetables.

Basically nothing we eat today is similar to what we ate millennia ago. Thus, I don't think that is a reasonable standard to determine food choices.

I do think people ought to be aware of how dairy cows are raised in factory farms and then make an informed choice.

It would also be good if people were similarly informed about the fruits and vegetables they consider eating.

[Orrex]

62. I would be greatly surprised if anyone on DU is unaware of factory farms

[Laffy Kat]

61. Well, no, it's not.

The milk my mother drank as a child was unpasteurized and gave her diphtheria.

[yellowcanine]

114. No the milk we drink now is way safer, whether pasteurized or not.

A millennia ago we did not even know about germs and about a hundred years ago breweries in NYC had herds of cows which they fed mostly brewer's grain - hardly any hay or grass. Resulted in unhealthy cows and unheathy milk and unhealthy children.

[oberliner]

119. Agreed

It's also extracted from cows in a very different manner than it was in the past.

[yellowcanine]

120. And that method is way more sanitary than this method......

[cheapdate]

105. Selective breeding is hardly an example fo "genetic engineering"

Modern genetic engineering refers to a far more technical process.

[Facility Inspector]

12. If we were still hunter gatherers

you'd definitely want non plant protein sources to help you hunt/seek food from sunup to sundown.

Prior to the fuxation of the sacred/profane and science, that's all people could do to survive.

[restorefreedom]

79. agree. nt

[snooper2]

100. that is why we should drink goat milk- Leave The Cows Alone!

[Quackers]

9. Whole milk doesn't sell very well in my area.

We buy 2%. And the state of Ohio's WIC program just changed their milk allowance to include 1%, skim, and fat free only. I'm sure the dairy farms are feeling that effect.

[TexasProgresive]

15. Young children need fat in their diets

It helps in the development of the brain if nothing else.

[Quackers]

17. I know under the new WIC guidelines

They will only allow 1% at the most. I think the change took effect in July of this year?

[TexasProgresive]

18. In primative culture children were nursed for extended times

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/392766
Mature human milk contains 3%--5% fat, 0.8%--0.9% protein, 6.9%--7.2% carbohydrate calculated as lactose, and 0.2% mineral constituents expressed as ash. Its energy content is 60--75 kcal/100 ml.

In general, the gross composition of cow's milk in the U.S. is 87.7% water, 4.9% lactose (carbohydrate), 3.4% fat, 3.3% protein, and 0.7% minerals (referred to as ash

[hunter]

19. I like cheese. I can also eat beans without much gas.

But milk turns my gut into a rumbling...

Which is an odd thing. My dad's side of the family had many dairy farmers, and many older relatives who still drank milk.

One of my nieces, FFA as a kid, and now in college, has decided goats will be the dairy animal of an uncertain future, and local cheeses the primary dairy product.

Industrial scale dairy farms are cow hell. Fewer and fewer dairy farms today have happy cows eating green grass on sunny hillsides.

I didn't used to have anything against cow milk until my life's adventures exposed me to huge commercial dairy operations. Unhappy cows living on mountains of cow shit eating industrial swill...

My wife and I did buy liquid milk by the gallon as our children were growing up.

If I was raising small children today I'd skip the traditional U.S. childhood diet of cow-milk-on-breakfast-cereal and cow-milk-in-a-glass.

There are better, less damaging to the earth, alternatives to the protein and calcium the milk industry brags about.

[yellowcanine]

22. I am of German Swiss background. Lots of milk drinkers.

But my sister has never been able to drink milk. She can eat cheese. Go figure.

There are many pastured dairies around. Particularly in Pennsylvania.

[Major Nikon]

47. Some cheeses have very little lactose

Just check the nutrition label and if the sugar content is low, this means the product is low in lactose and will present less of a problem to those who are lactose intolerant.

[haikugal]

78. Some times it's casein not lactose.

[Major Nikon]

80. True, but I would expect someone who has a casein allergy to be less tolerant of cheese

[haikugal]

89. Casein doesn't tolerate any milk products...but you might not know for years...

Most people know about lactose but not as many know about casein.

[jeff47]

106. It's the lactose

Lactose is a simple sugar that's mostly found in milk.

Before agriculture, humans only got lactose from breast milk. So we evolved to stop making lactose digesting enzymes after we stopped nursing. Without that enzyme, you can't digest the lactose. But the bacteria inside you can. Your gut is rumbling because the bacteria are having a party on the massive boost in food - they aren't competing with you for lactose.

Most cheese making involves bacteria partially digesting coagulated milk. The bacteria break the lactose into even simpler sugars (galactose and glucose). You can always digest those, so no bacteria party in your gut.

Ethnic background matters only in as much as some of our post-agriculture ancestors used milk for food. Since they kept drinking milk, they kept making the enzyme to digest lactose. Eventually certain ethic groups became more resistant to the "turn off the enzyme" effect. But the enzyme will be shut off in anyone who eats no lactose for a while.

If you really want to eat something with lactose in it, you can buy pills with the lactose-digesting enzyme in it next to the vitamins. Take it with the lactose-containing food and there will be no party in your gut.

[StarlightGold]

20. Whole milk all the way

for me.

I used to drink nothing but skim, and then realized I may as well just drink water.

Love the richness of it.

[JeffHead]

53. Damn straight.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

25. I'll drink whatever I want.

There seems to be plenty of choices in the milk aisle, and that's good. Everyone should mind their own business.

[yellowcanine]

26. Eh not that easy though. It matters for school lunch programs, etc.

If whole milk is actually good for you then we should be serving it to school kids and not lowfat milk. Same with WIC programs, etc.

[SheilaT]

29. I recall reading at least thirty years ago

that one problem with drinking skim milk was that your body needed the presence of fat (as in 2% or whole milk) to properly absorb the calcium in the milk. Makes sense to me.

And for a long time it was still suggested that children be on whole milk at least to age 2, and the only reason I could ever glean for the recommendation to switch to skim was the absurd notion that they'd get fat drinking whole milk. As if other aspects of diet and life-style had no connection to weight gain.

I rarely drink regular milk these days, but I do use half and half in my coffee, and for the milk in any baking or cooking I do that calls for milk.

[hunter]

35. Our kids were breastfed past the age of two.

I'm not sure they would have accepted cow's milk at all.

In any case, children ought to be breastfed. Ours were, even with my wife working. (It was a family friendly workplace and we lived nearby.)

If that's not possible, the only thing that ought to go into a baby bottle is human breast milk or infant formula. No cow's milk, and especially no juice or other sorts of sugar water. (Ask any dentist about some of the children's mouths they've seen.)

I don't believe industrial scale dairy operations are good for anyone; not people, not cows, and not the natural environment. There are many good alternatives to over-hyped, over-processed, industrial scale milk production.

My dairy family was always cynical about skim milk. It was clear to them that producers pushed it because it could be sold for near the price of whole milk, and then the cream and butter sold separately for greater overall profits.

Milk does seem to be the only thing that works for some recipes. Since I don't keep milk in the fridge, I keep canned evaporated milk around so I don't have to drive to the store when I decide to make something that requires milk. I haven't yet tried the "boxed" milks that require no refrigeration.

[SheilaT]

40. I likewise breast fed both of my kids

a bit past age two. Neither one was ever much of a cow's milk drinker, but their father is somewhat lactose intolerant, and they may also be. It's not very important.

I suppose someone who never keeps milk around could keep the non-fat dry milk, although again we're dealing with the non-fat aspect of it. But then, perhaps when adding the water to it, you could make it thicker, which wouldn't exactly put fat in, but might not be so watery in the recipe. I've had bread recipes that call for the non-fat dry milk as an ingredient. Again, in my case because I normally have half and half around, I generally have no problem with a milk ingredient when cooking or baking.

[phylny]

91. I keep the boxed milk in the fridge,

unopened, in case we need it since it has such a long shelf life. I'd leave it on the shelf in the pantry, but then if you need it, it's room temperature, and not too delicious that way

I had read somewhere that the milk producers were really happy with the advent of skimmed, 1%, 2% milk because it left more cream for them to produce more butter. Does that make any sense?

[jeff47]

107. The calcium issue is vitamin D.

Vitamin D is fat-soluble, and you need vitamin D to absorb calcium. But as long as you get the vitamin D from somewhere (like, the sun) then you'll absorb the calcium.

[aikoaiko]

30. Horizon FTW

[IMG][/IMG]

[yellowcanine]

38. But that "Organic" label should probably be in quotes.....

http://www.cornucopia.org/2014/02/horizon-organic-factory-farm-accused-improprieties/

[Major Nikon]

41. No more so than any other

"Organic" is nothing more than a completely arbitrary marketing gimmick. It doesn't even mean "organic" as synthetic substances are approved when "organic" substances don't work.

§205.601 Synthetic substances allowed for use in organic crop production.
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&SID=9874504b6f1025eb0e6b67cadf9d3b40&rgn=div6&view=text&node=7:3.1.1.9.32.7&idno=7#se7.3.205_1601

§205.603 Synthetic substances allowed for use in organic livestock production.
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&SID=9874504b6f1025eb0e6b67cadf9d3b40&rgn=div6&view=text&node=7:3.1.1.9.32.7&idno=7#se7.3.205_1603

[B2G]

33. 2% for me

Everything else is too heavy or too light.

[GreatGazoo]

34. Isn't it odd that they focus on the fat content of milk without discussion of the amount of cheese,

ice cream, and butter we eat?

The dairy industry would love for us all to buy skim milk (at the same price as whole) so that they can sell us the fat separately in the form of ice cream, cheese and butter. Likely the marketing of skim milk is part of the business model and it has been very effective at increasing the profits of food processors. Since 1970, we've gone from 8 pounds per person per year to 23 pounds of cheese. We are each, on average, eating 23 pounds a year of cheese annually.

[yellowcanine]

36. Yep there is that.

[LittleBlue]

37. Is this going to be one of those Frankenstein issues that never dies on DU?

Public breastfeeding and pit bulls might soon have company.

[RebelOne]

42. I drink Soy milk. It is better tasting than cow's milk.

I buy the chocolate or vanilla and the vanilla is delicious over cereal..

[Major Nikon]

55. We all know there's no such thing as Soy milk 'cause there's no soy titty, is there?

[Nac Mac Feegle]

121. Pple tak about alternatived to cow's milk

in terms of explotation of the cow. And the rough handling involved in factory farming.


Do you have any idea of the violence involved in milking a soybean???

We're talking a lot more than the danger of cold hands on sensitive body parts, here. Even if it is 'just' a cow.

[Orrex]

59. And soy production is terrible for the environment

I've had soy milk. I won't knowingly drink it again.

[laundry_queen]

95. Most soy milks are very high in sugar if they are flavored. Plain is healthiest.

Some of those chocolate or vanilla ones have as much sugar as a soda. Reading the labels is important.

[LostOne4Ever]

44. Whole Milk or no milk! nt

[Ed Suspicious]

51. For me, as a diabetic, quality fat sources are invaluable. Fat offers satiety while having next to

no effect on blood glucose levels. Fat is quite nearly a lifesaving food group for me.

[laundry_queen]

97. Fat is unfairly demonized that's for sure

Just finished reading a book about a guy who normally had a high fat/high protein/moderate carb diet and he switched to low-fat, high carb 'healthy' foods for 90 days - the experiment was that he had to eat the same amount of sugar most people consume in a day in his country (I think he was Australian) but in HEALTHY form (ie: honey, maple syrup, or in 'healthy' foods like yogurt or granola bars). He at the same amount of calories as he normally did. And he ate 'healthy' foods, no junk. Not only did he gain tons of weight (I think 20 lbs over 90 days?) but it affected his liver quite dramatically. Same calories. Same exercise. Crazy! He quickly returned to his normal weight when he went back to his normal diet after the 90 days was up (and his liver went back to normal). Very intersting book. I think it's a documentary as well.

An example of what he ate before and after for breakfast:
Before - 3 eggs, bacon, spinach & avocado
After - high fibre, low-fat granola, juice, whole wheat toast w/jam

As you can see, for the 'after' he was not eating what people consider 'junk'. He was eating 'high fat' before. Yet it was the low fat/high sugar that increased his triglycerides, liver enzymes, insulin levels and weight.

Anyhow that is my long winded way of agreeing with you.

[workinclasszero]

52. Well one, I see no need for humans to drink another species milk and

its full of chemicals to boot.

It's not all white: The cocktail of up to 20 chemicals in a glass of milk

By DAVID DERBYSHIRE FOR MAILONLINE
UPDATED: 03:53 EST, 7 July 2011

A glass of milk can contain a cocktail of up to 20 painkillers, antibiotics and growth hormones, scientists have shown.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2012050/The-cocktail-20-chemicals-glass-milk.html

[Major Nikon]

56. Milk contains high levels of hydric acid which is commonly used as an industrial solvent

[yellowcanine]

65. I see what you did there.

[Major Nikon]

72. Chemicals are everywhere today

Did you know it's highly likely the government is pumping a substance into your home the Germans used to poison thousands of allied troops?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapons_in_World_War_I#1915:_Large-scale_use_and_lethal_gases

[workinclasszero]

67. Wow

Who wants that with their corn flakes every morning? Jeez..

[JI7]

86. it's just water

[philosslayer]

66. Well its difficult to find milk from our species

Unless you're under, say, under a year old. Or have a very accommodating wife/girlfriend/acquaintance.

[Major Nikon]

68. Actually you can buy it online these days

[Glassunion]

74. Tired it... It totally f&#%ed up my ice cream maker...

[Major Nikon]

81. Better if you get it fresh squeezed

[laundry_queen]

96. Geez, if I'd have known

I could have made money off it, I would've booted my babies off the boob sooner and hauled out the pump, LOL.

[Ed Suspicious]

98. I'm not a chemist, but it would seem that

everything on Earth has a chemical composition. Everything we eat is a "chemical." I just never really know what people mean when they say there are chemicals in stuff. H20 is a fantastic chemical. Cow's milk is about 87% that chemical.

[Glassunion]

76. Whole milk for me. Always have... Always will.

Reasons:
1. It tastes great
2. It has fat in it. So it tastes great
3. Vitamin A helps you see stuff
4. Good taste
5. Calcium good for bones
6. Vitamin D helps you absorb the calcium
7. That tasty milk fat helps you absorb the fat soluble vitamins A & D
8. Did I mention it tastes great.

[abelenkpe]

77. Whole milk

That stuff is yummy.

[Ratty]

85. Organic skim tastes like whole

As a whole milk chugger for many years I'd wanted to switch the skim for a long time but couldn't tolerate the thought of drinking that thin, blue, tasteless watery stuff. Then someone mentioned how good organic non-fat milk was and I was amazed to find they were right. I switched to that 5 or 6 years ago and never batted an eye.

Non-fat for the chugging but I still keep around a quart of the whole for cereal, oatmeal, cooking and the like. I think the whole milk fat is good for me in moderation.

[Puzzledtraveller]

87. I'm allergic to cow's milk protein

I am also allergic to soy, corn, tomatoes, oats, strawberry, watermelon, lemon, natural vanilla, cayenne, and I think a few other minor things. I use almond milk after coconut milk did not sit well with me.

[BainsBane]

90. I split the difference and go with 2%.

[melman]

92. You shouldn't drink any milk at all

[ozone_man]

93. I'm flexible, skim milk on cereal, half & half

In coffee, regular cheese. Choose where to put the fat, and calories.

[Warpy]

104. Best of all worlds was non homogenized milk

The cream floated to the top and if you wanted fatty milk, you just shook the bottle or carton to redistribute it. Most people skimmed off the cream for their coffee. What was left was lower in fat than homogenized milk and higher in fat than 2% and seemed to please everybody.

[DebJ]

112. Maybe this will turn out to be like the butter versus margarine debates, that simply

never end.

[kentauros]

117. I've got some freshly-made coconut milk.

Does that count?

[Kaleva]

123. Article states that replacing whole milk with cookies and cake is harmful

"This shift in understanding has led to accusations that the Dietary Guidelines harmed those people who for years avoided fats -- as instructed -- and loaded up excessively (emphasis mine)on the carbohydrates in foods such as breads, cookies and cakes that were marketed as "low fat.""

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/06/for-decades-the-government-steered-millions-away-from-whole-milk-was-that-wrong/