We pay $229 billion/year to clean up after the NRA. This would finance the Medicaid program.

[whereisjustice]

Why are we subsidizing the pro-gun crowd? Shouldn't they have to pay for the mess they make? These are the same people who demand personal responsibility. Yet when the bullets start flying, the gun crowd runs and hides like cowards, leaving the rest of us to pay for it all.

A top public health expert describes the chill this way: "Do you want to do gun research? Because you're going to get attacked. No one is attacking us when we do heart disease."

Two years ago, we called on physicians to focus on the public health threat of guns. The profession's relative silence was disturbing but in part explicable by our inability to study the problem. Political forces had effectively banned the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other scientific agencies from funding research on gun-related injury and death. The ban worked: A recent systematic review of studies evaluating access to guns and its association with suicide and homicide identified no relevant studies published since 2005.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/true-cost-of-gun-violence-in-america

[Autumn]

1. I was shocked to read that they have only 5 million members.

How do they have so much fucking clout?

[Autumn]

3. We passed gun contro laws here in CO. They financed a recall and managed to recall dems who voted

for those laws. I call that some fucking clout.

[Autumn]

9. OMFG. You mean to tell me the NRA isn't a real person???????

I'm fucking shocked to hear that. I could have sworn I saw the NRA standing in line to vote . Silly me.

[GGJohn]

5. You do realize that in that recall,

the pro recall forces were outspent by the anti recall forces by a margin of 5-1?

[Autumn]

8. All I know is the pro recall ads here ran day and night.

[GGJohn]

15. The vast majority of ads run were anti recall ads.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/colorado-recall-results_n_3903209.html

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a staunch supporter of stricter gun laws, donated $350,000 to Morse and Giron. Billionaire philanthropist Eli Broad gave a separate $250,000 check to help the legislators, while Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) repeatedly issued fundraising calls for Giron in emails to her supporters. The Denver Post reported Monday that those in Morse and Giron's corner had collected nearly $3 million, while proponents of the recall raised about $540,000.

[Autumn]

17. The vast majority of ads I heard were pro recall, in fact I can't remember hearing an

anti recall ad in my area.

[GGJohn]

19. Of the over 2,000 ads run, 9/10ths of those anti recall,

they must have run the same ad over and over in your area.

[Hoyt]

12. Unfortunately, there are lots of yahoos who support NRA propaganda, but are too cheap to pay dues.

[GGJohn]

6. Flamebait.

[whereisjustice]

37. You know there are NRA fuckers, penny a post for sex with guns, no protection, spreading violence

Don't you just hate the dumbfuck NRA Fox heads with guns, ready to shoot anyone for any purpose. Hiding behind conservative values, using human shields to protect their beliefs.

Did you ever notice that the NRA rebel yell sounds a lot like what a terrorist might yell just before they blow themselves up at a school.

We know the NRA has killed more kids in US schools than any terrorist organization. So no surprise. NRA IS a terrorist organization.

And of course, we all know the 2nd amendment says nothing outlawing gun regulation or the crazy people stock piling guns. But they never make it past the part about guns. Lazy as they are, they want to pull out a gun and kill. It's just so much easier to kill what they don't understand.

The NRA is half man, whole coward. Killing is first nature to the NRA member. With stupidity in their heads and violence in their hearts. That's the NRA.

So FUCK YOU NRA. You are merchants of death.

[GGJohn]

38. Dude, you really need to take a chill pill.

LOL.

[Travis_0004]

11. Alchol also has an economic cost of 223.5 billion

We could ban that too, and really have some extra money towards healthcare.

http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

[Hoyt]

13. Yes, we could. But we ought to handle gunz first like every other civilized country including

Australia in 1996.

[Travis_0004]

14. Or mexico?

They must have low homicide rates, am I right?

[Hoyt]

16. Where do you think they get their gunz from, good ole USA for most part.

Fact is, we are not Mexico, or Iraq, or Somalia . . . . . .

Next you'll be posting "it will cost us votes," cars kill more people than gunz, Zimmerman was an example of how gunz save lives, and worse.

[GGJohn]

18. You're wrong again Hoyt.

Most of the firearms came from the Mexican Army themselves or from other Central American nations.
Some came from the US, but the majority came from the Army.

[Hoyt]

20. Obviously, you are not all knowing when it comes to guns. You may know how they feel when you

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rub them, how much damage they do, etc., but you are wrong about where Mexicans get their guns.

Wikipedia has the best summary, but there are other sites that confirm you are wrong.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_firearms_into_Mexico

[GGJohn]

21. Your own link proves what I said.

There are multiple reports of grenade launchers being used against security forces,[10] and at least twelve M4 Carbines with M203 grenade launchers have been confiscated.[11] It was believed that some of these high powered weapons and related accessories may have been stolen from U.S. military bases.[12][13] However, most U.S. military grade weapons such as grenades and light anti-tank rockets are acquired by the cartels through the huge supply of arms left over from the wars in Central America and Asia. It has been reported that there have been 150,000 desertions from the Mexican army during 2003 to 2009. Stated another way, about one-eighth of the Mexican army deserts annually.[14] Many of these deserters take their government-issued automatic rifles with them while leaving. Some of those weapons originate from the USA.[15] It has been determined that at least some of the M203 grenade launchers and M16A2 assault rifles cited above are of counterfeit origin manufactured for the cartels, possibly to resemble the weapons carried by the Mexican Special Forces.

Didn't read the whole article did you?
You saw the headline and posted it thinking it said what you thought it said, but in reality, it says the opposite.

[Hoyt]

22. 70% or so of the gunz come from USA, probably a lot from your state.

[GGJohn]

23. Wrong again Hoyt.

That 70% is from traceable firearms seized in Mexico, do you understand that? That's 70% of those with serial numbers, the vast majority don't have serial numbers or the numbers have been removed.

[Hoyt]

24. And those probably came from USA too, Gg. Again, a lot from your area.

[Travis_0004]

27. You are correct

These hand grenades were bought at my local gun shop 5 minutes before I got there. Since I knew the guy was from the cartel, I let him buy them all.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/hand-grenades-increasingly-mexican-cartels-article-1.1909015

[GGJohn]

28. And again, you're wrong Hoyt.

I live in the Flagstaff area, that's a long ways from the Mexican border.
Don't you ever tire of being wrong?

[Kingofalldems]

25. Did you tell me you were not an NRA member?

[GGJohn]

29. I will tell you I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the NRA.

I'm a member of The Liberal Gun Club.

[Kingofalldems]

30. So why do you defend them so much?

[GGJohn]

31. I'm defending them against dumbass statements made against them,

things like the NRA is a terrorist org., the NRA is the American ISIS, the NRA has the blood of millions of victims on their hands, etc.

But, I will never be a member of the NRA and I believe their leadership is bat shit crazy.

[Kingofalldems]

32. #3 is absolutely correct.

Too bad you don't see it.

[GGJohn]

33. Well, that's your opinion, not mine. eom.

[Travis_0004]

26. Traceable guns

If the mexican gocernment seizes a smith and wesson with a made in the USA stamp they are smart enough to know it was made in the USA.

When a russian gun is siezed, they can figure out it was not from the USA.

This 70% fact has been debunked thousands of times here. If you actualy followed up on the threads you post you would know this by now.

[Initech]

34. The NRA is a terrorist organization.

I'm not saying every NRA member is a terrorist, but anyone that owns a gun that was used in a murder is a terrorist. The list that the NRA has of "NRA approved politicians" - every single one on that list is an enabler of terror. They must be voted out at all costs.

[Scuba]

35. +1

[Nuclear Unicorn]

36. That's exactly what they said about cigarettes. They got taxes and this is what they gave us --