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Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:46 PM

Why is Rand Paul polling so low among the R's?


Given the heretofore indefatigable enthusiasm of the Paulbots, I find it hard to believe that they have simply gone with Trump or Carson.

What happened to the army of dedicated Randroids?

Have they gone the way of the buffalo?

Did they all succumb to some illness that is preventable by a vaccine that most normal people get?

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Reply Why is Rand Paul polling so low among the R's? (Original post)
jberryhill Oct 2015 OP
Gothmog Oct 2015 #1
jberryhill Oct 2015 #2
Javaman Oct 2015 #17
LiberalElite Oct 2015 #3
jberryhill Oct 2015 #15
Reter Oct 2015 #4
stevenleser Oct 2015 #7
Recursion Oct 2015 #9
Reter Oct 2015 #22
stevenleser Oct 2015 #23
Reter Oct 2015 #30
jberryhill Oct 2015 #16
jaysunb Oct 2015 #5
tularetom Oct 2015 #6
jberryhill Oct 2015 #21
stevenleser Oct 2015 #8
former9thward Oct 2015 #10
WillowTree Oct 2015 #11
Warpy Oct 2015 #12
silvershadow Oct 2015 #13
tblue37 Oct 2015 #14
n2doc Oct 2015 #18
hatrack Oct 2015 #19
jberryhill Oct 2015 #20
FSogol Oct 2015 #24
dawg Oct 2015 #25
Renew Deal Oct 2015 #26
jberryhill Oct 2015 #28
KamaAina Oct 2015 #27
Johonny Oct 2015 #29
Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #31
libodem Oct 2015 #32
bullwinkle428 Oct 2015 #33

Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:50 PM

1. Because rand Paul is an idiot

Rand and his daddy are not popular with mainstream republicans. Ron Paul ran an aggressive campaign and out caucused the Santorum and Romney people in Iowa. The Pauls are not liked by the GOP donor class and Rand has not been able to maintain the base that his daddy developed

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:53 PM

2. I get that


But we used to be plagued with the Paul zombie corps during elections, and there hasn't been a one in sight.

It's like spring without robins.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:42 AM

17. because the tRump has sucked all the crazy out of the room and kept it for himself.

there's a new brand of right wing nuttery in town and rand paul just can't step up to the rubber room.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:55 PM

3. Against all odds he's still running - see:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/rand-paul-yes-im-still-running-so-get-over-it-n444426

-snip-
Travel delays, single-digit polling and repetitive, annoying questions add up.

So it's no wonder Sen. Rand Paul was a little impatient on Tuesday when answering the third most-asked question about him on Google: "Is Rand Paul still running for president?"

"I wouldn't be doing this dumb ass live-stream if I wasn't, so get over it," an annoyed Paul deadpanned in response.

What was unusual about the moment is that it was streaming live to anyone watching Paul's three-day swing through Iowa on Periscope, the app that allows anybody, anywhere to broadcast their activities live. Paul's campaign trumpeted their plans to stream his campaign stop on Periscope as historic; he's the first presidential candidate to do so. But his somewhat prickly response to a mundane, if grating, question has now gone viral.
-snip-

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Response to LiberalElite (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:07 AM

15. That was the first funny thing I've ever heard him say

"Looking at cornfields..."

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:01 PM

4. Some might not like my answer, but Ron Paul's supporters went to Bernie and not Rand

 

You can even tell by the online polls. I for one welcome them, we need as much help as we can get.

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Response to Reter (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:31 PM

7. Folks who want zero government went to a Democratic Socialist? I'd like to hear that explanation.

 

The only folks who might have gone to Bernie from Rand are the Code Pink crowd. i.e., single issue voters whose only issue is no wars.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:09 AM

9. Auditing the Federal Reserve makes goldbugs all swoon-y (nt)

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:56 AM

22. They have more in common than you think

 

Both are against the NSA and Patriot Act, both are anti-war, both say Iraq was a disaster, both attacked the bailouts, and most of all, both are fiercely anti-establishment. Many of their younger supporters even have a similar look too. Young white kids who like facial hair and have messy haircuts. And they LOVE the internet.

I myself am an older Bernie supporter, but in my 40's. I would abolish the Federal Reserve. I think it's in cahoots with Wall Street. Bernie against Ron Paul would have been interesting in the debates.

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Response to Reter (Reply #22)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:04 AM

23. And all of that is about 10-15% of what being a President is about.

 

When Paulites see the other 85-90% they won't support Bernie.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #23)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:34 AM

30. Bernie gets support from quite a few of the hard-liners

 

Those issues that I've stated matter quite a bit to some Paul supporters. Ron Paul also had supporters in 2008 and 2012 who disagreed with him on the minimum wage, abortion, and gay issues. So these people are even more supportive of Bernie.

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Response to Reter (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:12 AM

16. There's help, and there's "help"

I get what you are saying, but it has a downside.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:04 PM

5. Because, they know he's not a Republican. At least by

todays standards.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:18 PM

6. Because the small timid woodland creature that reposes on his scalp pales by comparison

To the magnificent beast on Trumps noble gourd.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:03 AM

21. Not quite the "hair shirt"

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:35 PM

8. I believe there are two answers but the biggest reason, in one word, is ISIS.

 

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You can't ignore ISIS and say we shouldn't do anything about them and contend for the Republican nomination.

So Rand went with that and I think it sucked the enthusiasm out of the crowd he inherited from his father that was for no wars without a congressional declaration. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/09/16/ron-paul-says-son-rand-speaks-for-himself-on-attacking-isis

That and Rand just isn't the compelling speaker his father is. Even though Ron Paul's schtick doesnt win me over, I can see how he talks a good game and folks amenable to that philosophy would really like him. Rand is just a poor approximation.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:28 AM

10. Most Republians are not libertainians.

Rand Paul is getting about the same people as his father did in the primaries in 2008.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:30 AM

11. He might be doing better if only he had a personality.

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Response to WillowTree (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:30 AM

12. He's also not a Shiny New Thing this year. He's so 4 years ago

and Republicans are nothing if not fickle.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:38 AM

13. Don't know. Don't really care. nt

 

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:12 AM

14. He abandoned those who are aggainst imperialustic wars and the military industrial complex.

He rightly figured that no real Republican base voter would even consider him if he didn't advocate pumping up the Defense budget and getting involved in more wars of choice. But the Paulbots are mostly against those things.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:50 AM

18. He has even fewer principles than his dad

He basically has sold out on every major position that is contrary to GOP orthodoxy. He talks a lot but his votes say otherwise. And people noticed.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:57 AM

19. Upon entering the Senate, he stepped into the Mutato-Booth . . . .

. . . . and emerged as Lamar Alexander. Just another boring, bland, country-club GOP candidate.

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Response to hatrack (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:01 AM

20. Lol

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:15 AM

24. Maybe they got laid and are no longer libertarians?

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:19 AM

25. Because he's crazy ...

but not quite crazy enough.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:23 AM

26. Because ultimately no one buys the libertarian nonsense

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #26)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:25 AM

28. Where did they all go?


You can say that, but during the last several cycles the troops were always so energetic.

My "Fuck Rand Paul" button hasn't been touched!

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:24 AM

27. Ha! "Randroids" is what we used to call Rand followers back in college.

 

There were far too many of them (mid-'80s).

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:27 AM

29. When has him or his father ever brought significant voting numbers to the national stage?

They've never represented more than 10% of Republican voters and this time around even a majority of those people are flocking to friendlier TV ready libertarian-lite candidates like Trump and Carson.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:35 AM

31. For starters, Paul is a nutbar

Secondly, his campaign has been horribly managed, and his media presence, messaging, platform, everything has been shit

Third, Donald Trump happened which stole 100% of the early media spotlight Paul was counting on, and Paul had no strategy to take back at least a piece of the media attention (although to be fair, none of the GOP candidates have, aside from maybe Carson)

Fourth, Paul GROSSLY overestimated how important the NSA would be as a campaign issue, after laying down a lot of groundwork in 2014 to be the "anti-NSA candidate"

Fifth, he pissed off Glenn Greenwald on his pro-Israel stance, so Glenn gave him the kiss of death on Twitter which really killed at lot of his dudebro support since Greenwald is a god to them...

Sixth, Paul's most fervent supporters tend to put niche political issues at the forefront, i.e., gold standard, audit the fed, etc. You aren't going to craft a good national campaign platform behind those issues...

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:37 AM

32. They feel the Bern

And turned from Libertarian to Independents.

Yep. I'm pretty sure.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:29 PM

33. Don't forget that several months ago (in the pre-Trump era), Tweety Matthews

was TOTALLY pumped up about Rand Paul being the eventual nominee. He shouted it from the rooftops on multiple occasions!

It would be all too easy to say "Yeah, but then Trump came along", but take a harder look. Even amongst the sub-category "professional politician division", he's never been close to being in the lead there as well. Once again, Tweety's prognostication skills prove to be as spot on as his declarations of "We're all Neo-Cons now!!1!"

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