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CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:08 PM Oct 2015

“One walks in this picture!" The Coronation of Josephine by Jacques-Louis David

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he Consecration of Napoleon I and Coronation of the Empress Josephine, 1805-07, Louvre, Paris

This had to be good and the artist knew it. He had snagged the most coveted commission of his time by a verbal request from the most powerful man in Europe. But David, throughout his long and productive life as an artist, had proved adept at navigating, and succeeding, in a very chaotic and dangerous era in France. And he had the benefit of being already greatly admired by Napoleon. Art historian Simon Schama has coldly described him as the “official glamorizer” of his time (whichever famous one he was glamorizing) and a “fantastic propagandist, a “window dresser of Robespierre’s tyranny.” He was most certainly what we could call “a survivor.” Even with a short stint in prison.

Well, at least he didn’t get marched off to the guillotine, but died at age 77 in Brussels where he settled after being exiled from France once Napoleon fell. His disturbing masterpiece “Death of Marat” is in Brussels’ Musee des Beaux Arts, not the Louvre -- what a last laugh on the French for banning the picture of the revolutionary Marat and making its creator flee...however, I shed no tears over the fate of the artist who enthusiastically signed death warrants for innocent people during The Terror...

In planning for this major work , David might have been inspired by this
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The Coronation of Queen Marie de Medici. Peter Paul Rubens. 1664. Louvre. Paris.

David’s massive opus in the neoclassical style stands 20 feet tall and 33 feet wide, the second largest painting in the Louvre today (and, after the Mona Lisa, the museum’s most viewed).

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Napoleon is front and center in this picture but a viewer’s eyes can be easily diverted to Josephine and her magnificent red velvet robe lined with ermine and tasseled at its edges. She is attended by Napoleon’s sisters and Josephine’s daughter seen holding the hand of her young son (who tragically died at age 5 soon after this work was done). The women’s beautiful silk Empire style gowns, with ruffs at the shoulders, high waists and revealing bosoms, are historical fashion delights. David dutifully includes the fleur de lys bee design (symbolizing France) in the gorgeous pillow before Josephine and underneath her on the carpeting.

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The interesting axial design -- a horizontal presentation with soaring verticals within the painting -- bestows magnificence and dignity along with the exceptional richness of the red, gold, green, white and black that the artist uses. The vertical pilasters, tall crucifix and sceptres held by another bishop and courtiers enhance the proceeding even more. However, you do wonder how all those tall candles could possibly have been lit. David might have taken some artistic license here by making them much taller than they actually were, as an “improvement” to the vertical balance of his tableau.

One of my favorite characters in this painting is Josephine’s handsome son, Eugene (seen in profile), a military officer in successful service to the Emperor, whose dashing sideburns and devoted look at the scene more than makes up for the corrupt and devious Talleyrand in front of him (who is smirking and appears to have a curious feathered animal on his head). Eugene is depicted as a hero -- which he unarguably was -- standing nobly erect with his outstretched hand on the hilt of a finely crafted sword.

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The artist kindly renders Josephine as a younger and slimmer woman and in his final version he does not include her loose curls. She is flawless. Her neater hairdo is artistically maneuvered because the diadem, earrings and matching comb are quite enough to add glitter to an already glittering visual. Her ivory dress, also tasseled, and her intricately adorned puff sleeves reaching the middle of her hands are exquisite high notes. As is the bishop’s golden liturgical vestment seen behind her. Even the emperor’s white stockings are gold encrusted!
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ositioning of the Pope is interesting. Unlike Charlemagne, Napoleon did not go to Rome for coronation but summoned the Pope to Paris. He sits, looking almost forlorn, behind Napoleon, but upon the Emperor’s directive to David, he is seen blessing the coronation with his right hand (Napoleon did not want to have the Pope pictured there doing nothing).

Originally, David was going to depict the scene of what really happened: Napoleon took the crown and, after touching it to Josephine’s head, crowned himself. It is thought that Napoleon gave David that directive to include Josephine in the painting because it would make him look more open hearted to his Empress (with whom he was still very much in love) -- and more sympathetic to the people.

David takes other liberties in this work: Notre Dame Cathedral is “downsized” in order to keep the focus on the ceremony and his subjects. Napoleon’s mother was not in attendance (she refused, being piqued because Napoleon was feuding with her other sons), but she is pictured nonetheless (on order of the emperor) and has a special status in the painting’s center left gallery.

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The artist also painted himself into this group, since he WAS in attendance. It positions him in the annals of European art history forever, which was certainly not lost on him at the time. This painting can be seen as art and it can be viewed as political propaganda. Both are correct, but such is the fascinating way that art reaches us over history and time.
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After Napoleon’s fall, the fate of this painting seemed uncertain, but fortunately it survived, languishing for years in rooms at Versailles. It was transferred from there to the Louvre in 1889 where it can be seen today in the Hall Napoleon.

David’s grave is in Brussels. The government in Paris had refused a family request to bring the body home.

France had had enough of Jacques-Louis David.





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“One walks in this picture!" The Coronation of Josephine by Jacques-Louis David (Original Post) CTyankee Oct 2015 OP
Absolutely gorgeous. Thanks for posting. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #1
You are welcome, BlueJazz! CTyankee Oct 2015 #2
busy weekend edhopper Oct 2015 #3
As always the level of 'attention to detail' blows me away! Rex Oct 2015 #4
What a post! KatyMan Oct 2015 #5
Take oasis, Marat's bathing Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #6
Fascinating. longship Oct 2015 #7
Hey, longship! Glad to see you! CTyankee Oct 2015 #11
Nevertheless, it is a happy Friday moment for me. longship Oct 2015 #14
Aww, you're a sweetheart! Love ya too... CTyankee Oct 2015 #15
Wow, what an elaborate and amazing painting! Thank you, my dear CTyankee for showing it to us. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #8
Sorry the whole picture was so small. I was trying to get it all in but the dang thing CTyankee Oct 2015 #12
I love these art posts, CTYankee!!! Thank you so much for posting them!! n/t FourScore Oct 2015 #9
Thank you once again! Fairgo Oct 2015 #10
Oh, there's more in the works even as we speak. CTyankee Oct 2015 #13
Just a thought... Fairgo Oct 2015 #16
what is a MOOC? CTyankee Oct 2015 #20
Massive Open Online Course Fairgo Oct 2015 #26
Ah, thanks. My advanced degree is in Liberal Studies, not Art HIstory. Don't know if CTyankee Oct 2015 #31
Thanks for posting. jalan48 Oct 2015 #17
Thank you. As always a great job which many of us as has been mentioned look forward to.. justhanginon Oct 2015 #18
I really don't know how he managed to do this either. I suspect he had LOTS of assistants as CTyankee Oct 2015 #21
It is a beautiful painting sdfernando Oct 2015 #19
I re-looked at the painting, but it seems to me that given his uniform it could not have been CTyankee Oct 2015 #23
K&R... spanone Oct 2015 #22
Thank you - beautiful. 840high Oct 2015 #24
glad you liked it. I'll be back in two weeks with another artist... CTyankee Oct 2015 #25
Spectacular painting! The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #27
Thank you so much for the artwork and the information. HeiressofBickworth Oct 2015 #28
well, IMO Paris is he most beautiful city in the world. If you can possibly go please CTyankee Oct 2015 #32
As always, thank you very much etherealtruth Oct 2015 #29
One of my favorite paintings in the Louvre JCMach1 Oct 2015 #30
Thank you Recursion Oct 2015 #33
I'll have another in two weeks if you have an interest...thanks for the kind words... CTyankee Oct 2015 #34
I'm so shallow. blogslut Oct 2015 #35
I know, but really it is just fine to be blown away by beautiful costuming. CTyankee Oct 2015 #36
Got into an argument about costumes with my brother. blogslut Oct 2015 #37
there was a fabulous exhibit about a year ago of costumes from the great black and white CTyankee Oct 2015 #38
I'll look for it, thank you. blogslut Oct 2015 #40
I just gave away a whole closet full of clothes from way back when. I don't know why I was keeping CTyankee Oct 2015 #42
Belated K and R panader0 Oct 2015 #39
Hi! Nice to see you again! Glad this drew you out... CTyankee Oct 2015 #44
That's one of my favorites, Codeine Oct 2015 #41
Death of Marat is a big, historical lie according to Simon Schama. It's David doing his thing... CTyankee Oct 2015 #46
Basic revolutionary survival technique. Codeine Oct 2015 #49
Yes, and this guy David was so eager to get busy with sending innocent people to the guillotine. CTyankee Oct 2015 #50
Stunning... SiobhanClancy Oct 2015 #43
Yes, she looks so old in that sketch...and I agree with the creepy factor here... CTyankee Oct 2015 #48
I am especially drawn to the detail and texture of the pope's vestments and to the diaphanous ruffle tblue37 Oct 2015 #45
Excellent point about the columnarity/Empire dress style -- wish I had caught that myself. CTyankee Oct 2015 #47
Because the women in the empire waisted gowns are highlighted and in white gowns, while those around tblue37 Oct 2015 #51
I like the glitter of those gowns and appreciate it that Napoleon wanted to stun the world with his CTyankee Oct 2015 #53
BTW, there are other interesting aspects of color and composition that I would like to comment on, tblue37 Oct 2015 #52
Well, I love these discussions so if you want to take it up a bit later I am here... CTyankee Oct 2015 #54
I know. My specialty is literary and rhetorical analysis, but the tools for analyzing tblue37 Oct 2015 #55
I have already started researching for my next art essay here and have found some CTyankee Oct 2015 #57
Amazing stuff! JNelson6563 Oct 2015 #56
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
4. As always the level of 'attention to detail' blows me away!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:27 PM
Oct 2015

Every little shadow and every corner and line drawn perfectly. Truly amazing imo.

longship

(40,416 posts)
7. Fascinating.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:33 PM
Oct 2015

Happy to R&K yet another Friday art lesson. I kinda miss the quizzes, though. Maybe you could throw one into the mix once in a while. Granted, I was no good at them, but I found that I learned quite a bit from them.

However, any of your Friday art posts are educational. That is what makes me search them out.

My best to you, CTyankee.




CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
11. Hey, longship! Glad to see you!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:54 PM
Oct 2015

But no more Challenges. Too easy to cheat and someone did, egregiously, all the time...so, it was a matter of one DUer ruining it for everyone...interestingly,that DUer never visits here...hmm...

almost didn't do this one. My PC or tinypic.com was screwed up and it was a pain to upload the pics. I thought for a while this would be a goner and it would have to wait. Ugh.

longship

(40,416 posts)
14. Nevertheless, it is a happy Friday moment for me.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:59 PM
Oct 2015

And hopefully many others.

Just thought you should know that. And I don't know shit about art. But one can still appreciate and be in awe of such things.

Love ya madly, my friend.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,518 posts)
8. Wow, what an elaborate and amazing painting! Thank you, my dear CTyankee for showing it to us.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:35 PM
Oct 2015

The detailed notes make it a pleasure to look at.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
12. Sorry the whole picture was so small. I was trying to get it all in but the dang thing
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:55 PM
Oct 2015

is so big and so complicated I just had to go with what Google offered me...

Thanks, CP. Nice to see you here...

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
10. Thank you once again!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:51 PM
Oct 2015

Your mini-course in Art History has become my favourite, most anticipated post on DU. I'd like the back-catalogue, please!

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
13. Oh, there's more in the works even as we speak.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:58 PM
Oct 2015

I have the back catalog. However, my entire document containing my essays on my computer was destroyed by a virus or maybe just too long so it was "shortened." Anyway, my only record is now on DU...but I do have the artwork by itself on My Pictures in my computer...every essay has its own folder of art work.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
26. Massive Open Online Course
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:48 PM
Oct 2015

Coursera being a good example, but there are a handful of others. A MOOC is usually designed in such a way that anyone with access to the internet can peruse the static material and engage in individualised self-instruction for free...but at intervals the Course is run live with interactive synchronous and asynchronous events. These are had for a fee and conclude with a certificate of achievement. Once up, MOOCs are used to supplement classroom teaching and attract the curious philophile around the world. It is a massive undertaking, as the acronym suggests, but I think your content is competitive with the stuff I've seen, and you seem to be someone who enjoys sharing.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
31. Ah, thanks. My advanced degree is in Liberal Studies, not Art HIstory. Don't know if
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:19 PM
Oct 2015

that "counts" too much. I once briefly entertained the idea of going back for a second Master's in art history. My husband told me I was nuts...

justhanginon

(3,289 posts)
18. Thank you. As always a great job which many of us as has been mentioned look forward to..
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:45 PM
Oct 2015

I looked it up on Google and he painted it between 1808 and 1822. I cannot imagine maintaining interest in painting a piece for 14 years even if doing side jobs while it is in progress. I enjoy painting as an amateur and lose interest in a subject far sooner than 14 years. I also wonder about the cost of materials for a painting of that magnitude even back then. Had to be astronomical.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
21. I really don't know how he managed to do this either. I suspect he had LOTS of assistants as
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:16 PM
Oct 2015

so many painters did. In those days you had to have a patron. My wholepoint with David was that he was an opportunist. It probably saved his life but he doesn't have a great reputation as a result.

I'm sure he had patrons who supported him during his effort. So many great artists did...

sdfernando

(4,925 posts)
19. It is a beautiful painting
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:52 PM
Oct 2015

but it seems to me there is a slight error. If you look the depiction of Josephine's son Eugene, it appears his arm resting on the sword is too long. In the full picture it almost appears to belong to someone else.



Edited for spelling error.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
23. I re-looked at the painting, but it seems to me that given his uniform it could not have been
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:22 PM
Oct 2015

anyone by him. Perhaps he held his sword off to the side to mitigate the idea of violence in the painting (wanting it to be made more congenial). Or perhaps it was artistic license working again...

That sword could not have been anyone else's in the painting...I think...

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
25. glad you liked it. I'll be back in two weeks with another artist...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:43 PM
Oct 2015

please come by if you are interested and around at that time...

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,586 posts)
27. Spectacular painting!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:51 PM
Oct 2015

I've often wondered how artists who paint these very large, complicated works manage to do it without screwing up the perspective or the proportions.

Thanks for posting this. David may have been that era's Karl Rove of art, but he was a terrific painter.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
28. Thank you so much for the artwork and the information.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:59 PM
Oct 2015

One of my major regrets in life is that while I lived in Germany for two years, a mere 300 miles or so from Paris, I never got to Paris. I would have loved to see this painting in the Louvre.

Thank you for the art appreciation lessons -- I look forward to them.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
32. well, IMO Paris is he most beautiful city in the world. If you can possibly go please
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:27 AM
Oct 2015

try for it. You can walk from the Musee d'Orsay to the Louvre...a long walk to be sure but it can be done...

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
36. I know, but really it is just fine to be blown away by beautiful costuming.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:05 AM
Oct 2015

Evidently, Napoleon told David he wanted this painting to be magnificently beautiful (you piker Donald Trump, eat your heart out!). David sure knew how to do it...

blogslut

(37,982 posts)
37. Got into an argument about costumes with my brother.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:42 AM
Oct 2015

I mentioned Debbie Reynolds' amazing collection of costumes and how she had to finally auction it off because she could never find the funding to open a proper museum.

He didn't get it. He couldn't understand why anyone would be interested a bunch of movie outfits. Of course, he's the one who has actually been to the great museums of the world and seen things I can only dream about. Maybe it's because he's a guy. Maybe it's because no one (who is not his plebeian sister) has sat him down to explain the meticulous research, detail and quality that goes into costume design. Maybe it's because his mother, the seamstress, isn't around to smack him up the side of the head for his insolence.

I was a terrible college student. I blew off all my non-theater classes. But I never missed a minute of Costume History and I read the textbook cover-to-cover. Such a fascinating way to study the past. So many periods where the outfits were downright contradictory to the mores of the age. Or how fashion could empower the wearer, like with Josephine's Empire silhouette - that freed women from the bindings of corsets, only to be banished later, due to politics.

Debbie Reynolds is a freaking genius.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
38. there was a fabulous exhibit about a year ago of costumes from the great black and white
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:54 AM
Oct 2015

films of the 1930s at the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston. It was an "extra" for me since I was there to see the Goya exhibit. Those costumes were exquisite and so well preserved!

My daughter started out as a costume design major but found it difficult to find work when she moved to LA.

You might be able to find that exhibit on line by Googling the museum. Worth a shot...

blogslut

(37,982 posts)
40. I'll look for it, thank you.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:05 AM
Oct 2015

I follow some goth ladies on twitter, primarily for the fact that they're always posting wonderful images of antique clothing. I used to wear bunches of vintage clothing back when thrift stores sold them for a song and I had an actual life. Now, it's mostly jeans and t-shirts and the majority of my wonderful pieces are lost to the fates. I still enjoy the hell out of looking though.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
42. I just gave away a whole closet full of clothes from way back when. I don't know why I was keeping
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:41 AM
Oct 2015

them. It was too much for my back (for some reason I was thinking "oh, it's only clothes&quot not realizing that it was SO MUCH that I could barely get the bag in the door at Goodwill. My back still hurts...

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
44. Hi! Nice to see you again! Glad this drew you out...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:44 AM
Oct 2015

I love these historical paintings (even tho the history is a bit um, fancied...)

Whatever, it's gorgeous stuff.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
41. That's one of my favorites,
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:08 AM
Oct 2015

along with David's other work, and I must have looked at prints of it and "Death of Marat" and "Napoleon Crossing the Alps" and "Death of Socrates" a few hundred times.

But at no point did I ever have a clue about the sheer scale of the damned thing. I've lived in apartments smaller than that painting! My family spent two years living in a trailer significantly less expansive than that canvas! Amazing stuff.

Thank you for another wonderful post. Your essays have become one of the best parts of my DU experience.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
46. Death of Marat is a big, historical lie according to Simon Schama. It's David doing his thing...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:47 AM
Oct 2015

he sure flipped fast enough once things went all bad with that idea of the republic once Napoleon got his hands on the controls. Then David is all gooey over Napoleon alluva sudden. What an opportunist!

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
49. Basic revolutionary survival technique.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:57 AM
Oct 2015

I'm reading about the Russian Revolution and resulting civil war and people are switching sides and changing cliques and allegiances all the livelong day.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
50. Yes, and this guy David was so eager to get busy with sending innocent people to the guillotine.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:00 AM
Oct 2015

Pretty repulsive. But, nothing new...

SiobhanClancy

(2,955 posts)
43. Stunning...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:41 AM
Oct 2015

..and such a contrast to the sketch he did of Marie Antoinette en route to the guillotine. That one always gives me chills.

tblue37

(65,218 posts)
45. I am especially drawn to the detail and texture of the pope's vestments and to the diaphanous ruffle
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:46 AM
Oct 2015

on Josephine's shoulders. Extraordinary skill with paint and in rendering.

Notice, too, that the columnarity of the empire waisted gowns is also deliberately emphasized, adding to the vertical aspect of the entire composition.

BTW, tall candles can be lit and snuffed by using an instrument with an extra long handle. (The candle douter for snuffing, but I don't remember if the lighting tool has a special name.) Of course, a super tall candle might be more likely to go out easily in a draft, and it would be harder to relight inconspicously, so perhaps they would prefer not to use such tall candles for that reason.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
47. Excellent point about the columnarity/Empire dress style -- wish I had caught that myself.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:53 AM
Oct 2015

I thought that maybe they had a another candle with a long handle but it seems like such an awkward thing to have "on hand." The only other thing I could think of was some sort of scaffolding that could be rigged but the logistics of having a flame might be dicey. So I decided that since David falsified so many other things maybe he just did a bit of an "enhancement." They are superb in this painting so who cares (except strict historians and what fun are they?).

tblue37

(65,218 posts)
51. Because the women in the empire waisted gowns are highlighted and in white gowns, while those around
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:15 AM
Oct 2015

them are clad in dark garments and not highlighted, he forces our eyes to them and to the details of that part of the image he wants us to respond to.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
53. I like the glitter of those gowns and appreciate it that Napoleon wanted to stun the world with his
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:24 AM
Oct 2015

grandness. And David was only too willing to help!

tblue37

(65,218 posts)
52. BTW, there are other interesting aspects of color and composition that I would like to comment on,
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:22 AM
Oct 2015

but I am on a Nook 7" tablet, so I don't want to dive into that much detail with my recalcitrant little tablet.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
54. Well, I love these discussions so if you want to take it up a bit later I am here...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:26 AM
Oct 2015

I can chat about art for far too long! But it's my fun so ...

Seriously, I would love to read your further comments. I learn a lot from these exchanges and love to find out new things that I missed...are you an artist?

tblue37

(65,218 posts)
55. I know. My specialty is literary and rhetorical analysis, but the tools for analyzing
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:30 AM
Oct 2015

verbal artifacts largely overlap with the tools for analyzing art as well.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
57. I have already started researching for my next art essay here and have found some
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:02 PM
Oct 2015

surprising analyses regarding art in the context of their historical moments, one interestingly in a review for a new movie. I am struck by the similarity of the different disciplines of art.

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