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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:18 PM Oct 2015

"Operators must not show vehicles being available for immediate hire, either visibly or virtually.."

Operators must not show vehicles being available for immediate hire, either visibly or virtually via an app...

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/tph/private-hire-proposals/user_uploads/private-hire-proposals-sept-2015-final.pdf


.... just one of the proposed new "private hire vehicle regulations" being suggested by the transportation regulator (TFL) in London.

Gee! I wonder who they had in mind when they wrote this proposal! Anyone here got a defense for this? Who has been vastly inconvenienced or had their personal safety put in danger by an app showing where the nearest available vehicles for hire are?

This proposal would have made one of the actual, original Luddites blush with shame.

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"Operators must not show vehicles being available for immediate hire, either visibly or virtually.." (Original Post) Nye Bevan Oct 2015 OP
Who is endangered? Licensed taxi drivers. leveymg Oct 2015 #1
Here's a crazy idea. Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #2
It does not prevent ANYONE from doing to, read the proposal, which includes standards for Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #4
Here's an equally good idea. leveymg Oct 2015 #5
Or at least ban chartered accountants firms from offering an app Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #7
I'm the Queen Mother and here's the app to prove it. leveymg Oct 2015 #8
Great analogy. Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #9
No, the drivers can still drive for Uber, and will usually make more money Recursion Oct 2015 #10
I don't think you understand the regulation being proposed, it is not 'anti App' it's anti Uber Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #3
Really? I must have missed the part of the regulation that targeted Uber by name. Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #6
A fig leaf 1939 Oct 2015 #11
Kick Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #12

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. Who is endangered? Licensed taxi drivers.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:28 PM
Oct 2015

Uber is just another step toward unemployment for everyone except bankers.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
2. Here's a crazy idea.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:32 PM
Oct 2015

If legacy cab drivers are being threatened by someone else having a really convenient app that shows the nearby available vehicles, how about developing such an app themselves so that they can also offer this same convenience? Instead of pushing for a law that prohibits anyone from offering such a useful feature?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. It does not prevent ANYONE from doing to, read the proposal, which includes standards for
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:40 PM
Oct 2015

security in Apps used for booking and therefore very obviously do not prohibit their use. The point is that you can't pretend to be a licensed cab available to be hailed, not that you can't use an App.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. Here's an equally good idea.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:41 PM
Oct 2015

Let's let anyone call themselves a MP, chartered accountant, Barrister or Royal and let the Market sort it all out. May the best app win.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
7. Or at least ban chartered accountants firms from offering an app
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:48 PM
Oct 2015

showing where their nearby offices are located. Gotta stop this new-fangled "app" nonsense.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. No, the drivers can still drive for Uber, and will usually make more money
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 02:00 AM
Oct 2015

Who's endangered here is taxi license owners (in London as in other big cities, medallions are so expensive and owner-operators so rare that the commission has to specifically carve aside a few cheap medallions for owner-operators to continue the fig leaf that that's how the industry works).

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. I don't think you understand the regulation being proposed, it is not 'anti App' it's anti Uber
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:37 PM
Oct 2015

Nothing 'luddite' about it at all.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. Really? I must have missed the part of the regulation that targeted Uber by name.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:46 PM
Oct 2015

My apologies. I read the rule as preventing any private hire operator, not just Uber, from offering such a feature.

The perils of posting when it's late.

On edit: I'm feeling really dumb but I still can't find the text that specifies that this regulation only applies to Uber! Can you help me find it?

1939

(1,683 posts)
11. A fig leaf
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 07:41 AM
Oct 2015

You target a law either advantaging or disadvantaging a special interest group but word it in such a way that it meets its goal without mentioning the group.

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