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WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:52 AM Oct 2015

One Year Service in Exchange For College

I've given a lot of thought to "tuition free" college. I support the idea knowing that a well educated society makes for a stronger country. Most other countries have already figured this out. However, I'm also in favor of the notion that we as a people owe something back. I think JFK and a few other forward thinking people supported this idea.

Is it too much to ask that the youth of our society give something back...perhaps in return for a college education?

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One Year Service in Exchange For College (Original Post) WiffenPoof Oct 2015 OP
I would not necessarily have a problem with that TM99 Oct 2015 #1
Good Points WiffenPoof Oct 2015 #3
It isn't too much to ask but the kids want it free. leftofcool Oct 2015 #2
Where did you come up that? Sanity Claws Oct 2015 #5
I have an MD friend in Mexico newfie11 Oct 2015 #4
Germany had that model. And it went great! DetlefK Oct 2015 #6
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
1. I would not necessarily have a problem with that
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:36 AM
Oct 2015

however in practice this really has not worked thus far.

Students rack up increasing debt for school. Then they go into the military, Peace Corp, work on reservations, etc., however, only a small percentage is actually 'paid back'. So functionally, two or more years are loss of real income potential and future advancement for a what amounts to a pittance in repayment of the massive educational debt.

Personally, I would rather see free community or state college tuition. Then implement a one to two years of public service for all graduated students. They can do military or civilian service but it is not necessarily bound to their tuition debt as it is today.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
2. It isn't too much to ask but the kids want it free.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:40 AM
Oct 2015

As far as I can tell, they don't want to give anything back to society.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
4. I have an MD friend in Mexico
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 07:32 AM
Oct 2015

His schooling was free but in return upon graduation and becoming an MD he had to live in a remote village and be the only doctor for 1 year. That means available 24/7 for 365 days.

It gets a doctor to places that would never have a doctor and education is free.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
6. Germany had that model. And it went great!
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 08:21 AM
Oct 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_civilian_service

Until about 10 years ago (forgot exact date), Germany had a military draft, which was no problem because
1. you would only see military action abroad
2. as a soldier you had to fill a separate form that you are willing to serve abroad (with an increased paycheck to balance the increased risks)
You would get drafted, you would get the drill and everything, but you would most likely never see combat-action.



Germany also had the "Wehrersatzdienst" (loosely translated: surrogate military service); colloquially called "civil service".
You would get drafted, you would go through the military health-checks and then you would have to apply for "civil service" instead of "military service".
You had to convincingly make your case in an essay, how you cannot serve your country with a gun for conscience-reasons. (The grading of the essay was highly subjective: The bar for getting into civil-service was pretty low if you were athletically in bad shape, but high if you would make a good soldier.)

Once you had entered "civil service", you had to find an organization that offered positions for civil-service-members, for example companies that provide social or medical services, or hospitals, sometimes kindergartens...
You work there, but you get your paycheck from the military. 40 hours per week, a bit more than minimum-wage. (And you would be at an age where you most likely live with your parents anyways, so you keep most of what you earn.)

I did 11 months(?) of "civil service" at a tiny company that offers social services. I was rented out to do all kinds of chores for old and disabled people: I got a 2-week-course on basic nurse-stuff (how to wash, clothe and feed a person who can't move...). I did household chores for two people in wheel-chairs, kept check on a demented old woman, mowed the lawn, went grocery-shopping in bulk, cooking, cleaning... And I had to keep a log-book, how many hours I had worked for whom doing what.
Being around old, disabled and demented people all the time got depressing pretty fast, but the work wasn't outrageously hard and the money was good. (Plus, two guys from my high-school senior-year also did their civil-service there.)

Me being 19, I still lived with my parents back then, so I kept most of what I earned and was able to put a few thousand bucks on the side.



The "civil service" was eventually discontinued because the military draft was discontinued. But I think, it was a mistake: These social and medical services bitterly need the cheap manpower of civil-service-members.
(And the movie-trope of the long-haired, marijuana-smoking "Zivi" working as surrogate-nurse in a hospital sadly went extinct.)
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