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CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:05 PM Oct 2015

Can Paul Ryan Save His Party?

John Boehner is on his way out His surprise departure not only from the Speaker’s chair, but also from Congress was obviously hastened by his inability to control the rowdy Tea Party Representatives in the House who now refer to themselves as the Freedom Caucus. Their moniker obviously refers to their apparent freedom to cause absolute havoc for their party and the entire country.

The Republicans hold a hefty 247 to 188 majority in the House (their largest in the last 84 years) and the forty or so members of the Freedom Caucus represent only about 9% of the 435 house members. However, if the Freedom Caucus decides to not support legislation sponsored by the House Republican leadership, the Republicans cannot muster the 218 votes needed to pass the bill without the help of House Democrats. Given the extreme partisanship currently enveloping US politics, seeking help from the Democrats to pass legislation does not make mainstream Republican House members very popular with the voters back home.

Into the breach, very reluctantly, walks Paul Ryan. After House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, Boehner’s Number 2 and heir apparent, wisely chose to bow out, Ryan literally became the last and only hope to unite House Republicans behind a single leader. At first Ryan set out some preconditions for taking the job. One of those conditions was the support of all three House Republican caucuses, including the Freedom Caucus. Another was the scrapping of rules which currently allows fellow Republicans to easily call for a vote to overthrow the Speaker. While agreeing that many of their caucus would support at Ryan for Speaker, the Freedom Caucus failed to agree, at least initially, to both of the conditions. However, Ryan finally decided to take the job anyway.

Ryan’s first tests on whether he can control his contingent are fast approaching. .......

Rest of article here: http://www.cajunscomments.com/can-paul-ryan-save-his-party/

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Can Paul Ryan Save His Party? (Original Post) CajunBlazer Oct 2015 OP
. Rex Oct 2015 #1
A victory for Ryan may be a victory for Democrats - you obviously didn't read the article. CajunBlazer Oct 2015 #5
No no no...I am laughing at the 'can he save his party' garbage. Rex Oct 2015 #24
I wish the democratic party had it so bad yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #26
No, he's part of the problem emulatorloo Oct 2015 #2
Paul Ryan is doomed Gothmog Oct 2015 #3
cnn says he already has! spanone Oct 2015 #4
Unless he promises ridiculous things to the "Freedom" caucus, he's going nowhere. Vinca Oct 2015 #6
If you haven't read the article, how can you comment? CajunBlazer Oct 2015 #9
Anyone not living under a rock knows what I said is true. Vinca Oct 2015 #29
Tea Party enid602 Oct 2015 #16
Bwaaaahahahahahahaha! tabasco Oct 2015 #7
How can you comment if you haven't read the article? (n/t) CajunBlazer Oct 2015 #8
How can you comment if you don't know if I read it or not? n/t tabasco Oct 2015 #14
Because it is pretty obvious from your comment that you hadn't. CajunBlazer Oct 2015 #19
It's his site, so he can see whether hits are coming there from DU. nt tblue37 Oct 2015 #28
No. Next question. truebluegreen Oct 2015 #10
Are you prone to responding to articles you haven't read? CajunBlazer Oct 2015 #11
What makes you think I didn't read it? truebluegreen Oct 2015 #18
So you didn't read it, right? CajunBlazer Oct 2015 #20
Are you five years old? Seriously? BlueStater Oct 2015 #22
I'm just tired of folks who just read the title of a post..... CajunBlazer Oct 2015 #32
No, "wrong" truebluegreen Oct 2015 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author truebluegreen Oct 2015 #12
To save the party they'll have to destroy the party NightWatcher Oct 2015 #13
The point of the article is how the Tea Baggers can be marginalized CajunBlazer Oct 2015 #21
Paul Ryan is a symptom, not a cure. Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2015 #15
Ahhh......no. old guy Oct 2015 #17
no !!! PAUL RYAN IS A MONSTER.... just like all the GOPs trueblue2007 Oct 2015 #25
You overlook the fear the establishment Republicans have of being primaried by a tblue37 Oct 2015 #27
I think you're over-optimistic... Chan790 Oct 2015 #30
I would be willing to wager that Ryan wants to avoid a shut down at all costs CajunBlazer Oct 2015 #31
no Skittles Oct 2015 #33
No tavernier Oct 2015 #34

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
5. A victory for Ryan may be a victory for Democrats - you obviously didn't read the article.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:42 PM
Oct 2015

or you wouldn't be laughing.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
26. I wish the democratic party had it so bad
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:48 PM
Oct 2015

Republicans don't have the presidency. They have everything else including governorships and state legislature.

spanone

(135,816 posts)
4. cnn says he already has!
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:15 PM
Oct 2015

According to CNN, he's already done the impossible..'How Paul Ryan unified a fractured GOP'


Washington (CNN)Rep. Paul Ryan's winning pitch to House conservatives amounted to this: Let's start over.

For years, tensions had been boiling between the hard right of the Republican Party and the House leadership, a battle that effectively pushed Speaker John Boehner out of office and ended the bid of Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy to succeed him.

But Ryan, facing skepticism from hardliners in the House Freedom Caucus, spoke bluntly to the conservatives, telling them that he was more ideologically in line with them than with moderates in the so-called Tuesday Group. He said he was not the type of leader who is out to seek retribution, unlike past leaders.

The 45-year-old Wisconsin congressman said he would only push important bills such as immigration that have a majority of support from Republicans -- abiding by the "Hastert Rule." He promised bold policy ideas on the House floor like welfare reform, health care legislation and a tax overhaul -- and that the chamber would stand firm on those policy proposals with Senate Republicans and the White House. He softened his demand to roll back a procedure allowing lawmakers to overthrow a sitting speaker.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/22/politics/paul-ryan-house-speaker-announcement/


Vinca

(50,255 posts)
29. Anyone not living under a rock knows what I said is true.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 05:36 PM
Oct 2015

You're just fishing for hits on your web site.

enid602

(8,610 posts)
16. Tea Party
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:33 PM
Oct 2015

It's always bad when you have a group of ideological purists in a party who demand that no progress be made until all of their demands are met. Requiring purity on voting records, primarying candidates, etc.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
18. What makes you think I didn't read it?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:47 PM
Oct 2015

Because I disagree with the premise that the Republican party can be saved, by Paul Ryan or anyone else? It's not like there are a bunch of moderates over there who just need to be freed from the constraints of the Hastert rule: they are ALL batshit crazy. Some are just more willing to show it in public. Wearing rose-colored glasses isn't going to change that.

So again, the answer is "No. Next question."

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
22. Are you five years old? Seriously?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:57 PM
Oct 2015

I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish with your repetitive claim that people didn't read the article, but it's annoying. Please stop.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
32. I'm just tired of folks who just read the title of a post.....
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:36 PM
Oct 2015

and then post some flippant reply without reading past the first sentence. It's annoying. It seems to me that if a post is not worth your time to read it, it also doesn't justify a reply. But hey, you can do as you please; just don't get up tight when I take exception.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
23. No, "wrong"
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:01 PM
Oct 2015

and "rose-colored glasses" is the kindest I can be. "Moderate Republicans," that's a howler. Don't you understand that the entire effing party basically thinks only the military is a legitimate function of government? Well, to be fair, that and controlling the wimmins. But certainly not infrastructure, food safety, environmental concerns, any kind of regulation, etc. etc. etc. As I said, only a few (The!Freedom!Caucus!) are willing to say that out loud but that IS what conservatives are: their hero is St Ronnie of the Raygun (or their vision of Him) and his nine scariest words: "We're from the government, and we're here to help."

Seriously. The author needs to wake the eff up.

Response to truebluegreen (Reply #10)

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
13. To save the party they'll have to destroy the party
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:10 PM
Oct 2015

then repopulate it with people who are not the slash and burn teabagger crazy.

tblue37

(65,290 posts)
27. You overlook the fear the establishment Republicans have of being primaried by a
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:50 PM
Oct 2015

Teajadist candidate funded by one of those rogue RW billionaires if the regular Republicans dare to cooperate in *any* way with Democrats. They aren't afraid of the "Freedom Caucus," but rather of the extremist base and of the billionaires whose money will fund the Tea Party opponent and the propaganda that will so easily convince the base to vote against their representative once he/she has been labeled a traitorous RINO.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
30. I think you're over-optimistic...
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 05:47 PM
Oct 2015

if you think Paul Ryan isn't a king shithead of the loonie wing of the fascist party.

I don't think he even wants to avoid those things...it wouldn't surprise me if he hadn't promised them a default and shutdown they so desperately want.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
31. I would be willing to wager that Ryan wants to avoid a shut down at all costs
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:25 PM
Oct 2015

Yes, he is among the most conservative Republicans, and yes, he the sworn enemy of most who frequent this board, but he isn't stupid like some of Tea Baggers. He is an establishment Republican who is well aware of the costs of a default of the nations debt or yet another government shutdown would extract from his party. He knows that his conservative agenda is dead in the water unless the Republicans take back the Presidency and take more seats in the Senate. Allowing the Tea Baggers to again hold the country hostage would make attaining those goals impossible. Like I said, he isn't stupid.

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