Wed Oct 28, 2015, 12:58 PM

538: "Maybe Republicans Really Are In Disarray"

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Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein ... have written extensively about ... the theory is that Republicans are a broken, dysfunctional political party — that the GOP is in disarray, ... for instance:

* The Republican speaker of the House, John Boehner, recently resigned under pressure from a dissident group of Republicans, the House Freedom Caucus.
* Under Republican leadership, the House entered into an unpopular government shutdown and only narrowly avoided a crisis over raising the debt ceiling.
* The 112th and 113th congresses were among the least productive ever as measured by the amount of legislation passed, with filibusters and other parliamentary tactics used frequently.
* Statistical measurements of voting in Congress like DW-Nominate find that Republicans are, on average, more conservative than at any point in the modern era. Democrats in Congress have also become more liberal, especially in the past few years, but the polarization is asymmetric (Republicans have moved to the right more than Democrats have moved to the left).
* Nonetheless, there are also high levels of disagreement among Republicans in Congress. Because Congress is highly partisan, Republicans may be largely united when voting against Democrats, but this conceals profound differences among Republicans about tactics, strategy and policy objectives.
* In 2010, 2012 and 2014, Republican incumbents such as House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and Sen. Dick Lugar of Indiana were ousted in primary challenges. Meanwhile, “outsider” candidates such as Christine O’Donnell in Delaware and Ken Buck in Colorado won the Republican nomination in key open-seat Senate races, possibly costing the GOP several Senate seats.
* Although establishment-backed candidates eventually won, Republicans were relatively slow to settle on presidential nominees in 2008 and 2012 as compared with previous years. The 2012 campaign featured several surges for candidates like Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich who were openly opposed by the party establishment.
* Republicans are apparently having trouble choosing their 2016 nominee as well, not just as measured by the polls, but also according to other measures of support like fundraising and endorsements.

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There is one dynamic of the 2016 GOP presidential primary that lends credence to the “Republicans in Disarray!” case. Under the “Party Decides” theory, which presumes reasonably arrayed parties, the most important proxy for party support is endorsements. And so far, Republicans lawmakers aren’t endorsing much of anyone.
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Among the most moderate Republicans in Congress, ... Jeb Bush is the clear front-runner with this group, with 16 percent of the endorsements from moderate Republicans in Congress; Chris Christie is in second place, with 5 percent.

... the 101 Republicans near the median of the party have had much more trouble reaching consensus. About 80 percent of them have yet to issue any endorsement. And no candidate (Bush and Rubio are nominally tied for first place) has received more than 5 percent of their support.

Look toward the most conservative 100 Republicans, and there are even more signs of disarray. ... among those who have endorsed, the leading choices are Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, two candidates who spend a lot of their time poking a finger in the eye of the Republican establishment.

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538: "Maybe Republicans Really Are In Disarray" (Original post)	Attorney in Texas	Oct 2015	OP
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Oct 2015	#1
Agreed!	Attorney in Texas	Oct 2015	#3
This is the best possible news we can get in light of historical trends.	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2015	#2
Technically, Gore won in 2000. That would have been 3 Dems in a row.	yardwork	Oct 2015	#4
Since Bush became President, Bush won.	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2015	#15
My point is that the people elected a Democrat three times in a row.	yardwork	Oct 2015	#17
The "old rules" about the strength or weakness of an incumbent party no longer apply because the	Attorney in Texas	Oct 2015	#9
Gerrymandering only impacts the House.	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2015	#16
I think the poster's point is that gerrymandering allowed the GOP to go extreme.	yardwork	Oct 2015	#18
I don't agree. Starting with Bush Sr.	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2015	#19
First, the "Rockafeller Republicans" weren't really "fiscally conservative socially liberal"). They	Attorney in Texas	Oct 2015	#20
I take exception to the continued use of the word "conservative" to describe them	IDemo	Oct 2015	#5
Agreed. Students of government once understood the distinction between conservative and reactionary	Attorney in Texas	Oct 2015	#8
The have AM Radio, TV news, the WSJ, both houses of Congress, the SCOTUS,	maxsolomon	Oct 2015	#6
Exactly.	Arugula Latte	Oct 2015	#7
It's not so much that liberals have moved to the left as society has moved to the left	Johonny	Oct 2015	#10
It is spooky when Boehner and Ryan are considered too liberal by so many elected congressmonsters	Attorney in Texas	Oct 2015	#11
Yet this fucked up party controls both the House and Senate	FLPanhandle	Oct 2015	#12
And the Supreme Court. n/t	tabasco	Oct 2015	#14
They are good followers and will rally around whatever nutcase	tabasco	Oct 2015	#13

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Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:16 PM

538: "Maybe Republicans Really Are In Disarray"

3. Agreed!

2. This is the best possible news we can get in light of historical trends.

4. Technically, Gore won in 2000. That would have been 3 Dems in a row.

15. Since Bush became President, Bush won.

17. My point is that the people elected a Democrat three times in a row.

9. The "old rules" about the strength or weakness of an incumbent party no longer apply because the

16. Gerrymandering only impacts the House.

18. I think the poster's point is that gerrymandering allowed the GOP to go extreme.

19. I don't agree. Starting with Bush Sr.

20. First, the "Rockafeller Republicans" weren't really "fiscally conservative socially liberal"). They

5. I take exception to the continued use of the word "conservative" to describe them

8. Agreed. Students of government once understood the distinction between conservative and reactionary

6. The have AM Radio, TV news, the WSJ, both houses of Congress, the SCOTUS,

7. Exactly.

10. It's not so much that liberals have moved to the left as society has moved to the left

11. It is spooky when Boehner and Ryan are considered too liberal by so many elected congressmonsters

12. Yet this fucked up party controls both the House and Senate

14. And the Supreme Court. n/t

13. They are good followers and will rally around whatever nutcase