Meet The Brogressive, Your New Worst Enemy

[William769]

should have known based on his precisely pressed, purple gingham shirt and dark-framed glasses, his head, quizzically, the perfect shape for a Fedora. Sitting next to me at yet another progressive millennial conference in Washington, he struck up a conversation. When asked where he interned, he explained he did communications for an organization that works in liberal media messaging. When the question was reciprocated, I said I interned at the Feminist Majority Foundation.


When I said "feminist," his mouth curled. "What does that mean?" He asked, confused. I explained I spent most of my time writing blog posts, tweets, and research summaries pertaining to the feminist movement, primarily in the areas of reproductive justice and sexual violence prevention on college campuses. With a faint eyebrow raise, the conversation abruptly ended.


We filled out the surveys handed to us when we walked into the seminar room. Under the section where we were supposed to circle which aspects of progressive politics interested us, I glanced at his paper, only to see he chose every possible answer except for "Racial Justice," LGBTQ Rights," and "Women's Rights."


Meet the Brogressive.

https://www.slantnews.com/story/2015-08-22-your-new-worst-enemy-the-brogressive

I have met to damn many of them!

[HassleCat]

1. He was probably there just to pick up babes

Considering the purple shirt.

[MattBaggins]

50. Probably listens to Coldplay.... or Nickelback

[KamaAina]

88. Did you just compare Coldplay to Nickelback?!

[MattBaggins]

99. Yes I did

Both tend to make one want to drive nails into ones ears.

[MattBaggins]

110. Why should I carry around some apple crap

My phone works just fine

[Rex]

113. .

Now you've done it!

[Rex]

130. Never slight the Apple brand, they have spies everywhere!

My android just coughed...

[LuvLoogie]

149. You need to create your own Web server

And stream your audio to yourself over the Internet.

[MattBaggins]

162. Sandisk makes a 512GB SDXC card right now.

Rasberry Pi or an Arduino board

https://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/SimpleAudioPlayer
http://lifehacker.com/build-a-touchscreen-music-player-with-a-raspberry-pi-1700721764

[Rex]

234. A raspberry pi? Now you are in trouble.

Blackhole man, once they got you it's worse than Apple anything.

[Rex]

245. Yes!

Unless you are hiding some kind of quantum processing unit in your pants. You are not actually hiding a quantum processing unit in your pants, right?

You would be surprised how many times I get a YES answer!

[MattBaggins]

154. 2TB SDXC cards will be a reality soon

[Rex]

108. .

[pintobean]

131. .

[beam me up scottie]

116. Nickelback is a punishment from God:

[Rex]

120. SO should I pray to or for the boner demon?

I am sooooo confused...

[beam me up scottie]

122. If you're going to pray don't confuse boner demons:

?cdn=no

[Rex]

128. Ack...nm...fella just turtled up.

Saw that picture and went back in his shell! Great! Now I have to pee...and I am LOL so hard it might just start leaking out of me!

[beam me up scottie]

129. Lol!

Republican men make my womb shrivel too!

[Rex]

132. I kinda hop, ran to the bathroom.

Fellow co-workers must think I am on something...which we will NOT be sharing!

[beam me up scottie]

137. This thread is full of win!

DU never disappoints!

[Rex]

232. I made an entire pitcher of win from just a few sub-threads!

I think we kinda have to laugh it off. Been here and had to many sub-thread wars to care anymore. My real mistake is I thought this was in GD-P! Nope, just the weekly GD thread.

At least we can laugh together and cry together.

[beam me up scottie]

237. Yep, I came here to get away from GDP.

But the responses to this thread are hilarious.

[Rex]

247. I've been avoiding that place almost completely.

The toxicity level in there reminds me...ahem...of our old and beloved META forum. Gonna leave it at that.

[Rex]

389. Agree completely.

This is all about personalities and long time clashes that never seem to die out.

[Behind the Aegis]

323. If that were true...

...there would lots of villages I personally destroyed. and Nickleback would have their own store for their albums!

Oh Boner Demon, lead me not into temptation...

Oh, wait who am I kidding...

Wanna find temptation, follow me!

[beam me up scottie]

324. LMAO!

That's from How to Suck at your Religion.

I love the Oatmeal!

[giftedgirl77]

2. Yep, we see them all the time.

All they are concerned with is "economic justice" & screw everybody else. Hell I just responded to a post that was offended that Emily's List has the audacity to help women get elected to office.

[William769]

4. I posted this today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=304327

[giftedgirl77]

7. I posted almost the exact same thing about Rachel.

Last edited Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:35 PM - Edit history (1)

[William769]

10. Good thing we know how to take their manure

& make roses pop up!

[mcar]

13. Amazing, isn't it?

Now Emily's List is bad because they had the nerve to suggest that something Bernie's campaign manager said was inappropriate. Horrors! Poor Bernie, to be attack thusly.

[truedelphi]

117. In the early days, I was a big fan of Emily's List.

then I saw that they could care less about anyone that was not of their ilk. If you weren't a soccer mom with the big house in deluxe suburb, with about $ 80,000 in retirement savings, with the Volvo, trips to Maui and the rest of it, they could care less.

And since their Latina cleaning women serve them so well, they are fond of being pro-immigrant.

They like Hillary because she will take care of them. And if middle class Americans don't retain their jobs, because of continual trade agreements, outsourcing and nasty little items like the Hb1 visas given to people from Pacific Rim countries to work the well paying computer jobs, well, maybe they should have put more money into their retirement so they could have a cushion til they find their next jobs.

[workinclasszero]

51. That fits Bernie fans

to a tee

[bravenak]

3. I meet them every day!! THIRD WAY PROGRESSIVES!!

[William769]

6. ...

[Warpy]

185. I've known them all my life, way back to the SDS meetings in the 60s.

They were young, earnest, passionate, and utter blockheads when it came to the needs of anyone who wasn't white and male and usually upper middle class. We women used to side eye a lot, meet together, and plan ways to get out own agenda accomplished while they strutted around and waxed bombastic about their tactics and utterly assured success.

I don't consider them my enemies, we did work together on many things. I mostly considered them obstacles to be stepped over or scooted around on the way to broadening the movement into something with the ghost of a chance at success outside the white upper middle class.

[bravenak]

186. Yep. You can work with them but it seems limited to things that benefit them mostly.

Hard to move them on other issues.

[Warpy]

187. No, they're blockheads

You have to just get around them to do what needs to be done. It's not hard, they're oblivious to a lot besides the needs of people who aren't them.

[bravenak]

188. Yep. Go around them is right.

[okasha]

281. Love these two posts.

Lots of women had exactly the same experience making revolution in the 60's.

That's where we learned to stop saying "Yes, dear" and say "Do it your fucking self, Comrade!"

[Number23]

214. I IMMEDIATELY thought of you when I read this OP! IMMEDIATELY

[bravenak]

218. Yay!!! I love that Term. Third Way Progressive. Fits sooo well.

[ismnotwasm]

384. And a bunch of them on this thread

That's why this is such a gem of a thread

They assumed the thread was about Sanders supporters, the resident MRA leaning persons KNEW it was about them--much hilarity ensues

[cascadiance]

363. So do you meet them while working at the Third Way's Progressive Policy Institute?

Looks like it was funded by the Waltons, perhaps when Hillary Clinton was on their board?... Maybe that's how you also got to know Hillary there?...



The vision they ultimately want us seeing I think...

[Oneironaut]

9. The term "Progressive" is as meaningless as Liberal / Conservative

You can believe in Progressive things. Whether or not someone is really a progressive is too subjective to matter. I guess you could have a uniform litmus test, but that would be silly.

Are these guys Progressives? I'm not sure. All I know is that they probably call themselves Progressives.

[Hortensis]

90. Right. It's "cool" to be progressive now. (Good!) BUT,

almost everyone on the planet is pretty hard-wire to be liberal or conservative, with environment having its usual effects too. We process information differently, see people differently, interpret events differently, and even see moral issues differently. Learn the basic characteristics of each type, and much that was a black fog of "why on earth?" becomes so much clearer. Including when the terms are being confused and when and why they are spot on.

[LuvLoogie]

159. Leonardo da Vinci was a Progressive

Jesus was a Progressive.

[okasha]

286. Jesus was a flaming revolutionary.

One of his brothers, Simon, was an ex-terrorist.

[LuvLoogie]

296. He spoke of a human justice

Born of the internal spirit. A justice which recognizes the divine in each individual and calls on one to treat your fellow man with dignity and that the greatest gift is love.

This aboveabove, or at least a guiding principle to, secular government forms of justice. But power corrupts justice and twists doctrine.

People made the legend of Jesus into a religion. Few can really hear the message through the propaganda from the pulpit.

[Jim Beard]

11. I guess you could call me one because my MAIN interest is economic equality

I have read may a post from all different message boards where I read where LGBT people who are wealthy don't give a rats ass about economic equality. Did you see the other surveys?

[geek tragedy]

15. wait, are you trying to bash GLBT people as unconcerned with economic justice? nt

[Jim Beard]

19. Yes, there are those in the LGBT who are MORE concerned

about LGBT than Progressive economic equality. Notice the word "MORE".

[geek tragedy]

20. so you're bashing people for being too preoccupied with their own civil rights

Yep, this article is about you.

Here is a hint:

in order to have allies, you need to be an ally

[Jim Beard]

31. No, It isn't about me!

Where do you get that. I have said some people. This isn't a republican debate.

I have never said I believe that but I had read post of people of the LGBT who are not as concerned about the other subjects of Progressives.

[geek tragedy]

34. "I read it on the Internet" is not a very good reason to claim something is true nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

264. And ...

I had read post of people of the LGBT who are not as concerned about the other subjects of Progressives.

Why would you have a problem with that? A member of the LGBT can be wealthy as all get out, and broke and homeless tomorrow because our society has not seen fit to provide them with the social protections to keep that wealth.

And, a member of the LGBT can be poor as a church mouse and be kept that way because our society has not seen fit to provide them with the social protections to acquire wealth.

[Amimnoch]

63. exactly.

cheers

We may be behind 2 different candidates for the primary, but that was perfectly stated.

[Comrade Grumpy]

161. The fact that somebody is gay doesn't make them an ally.

One can advocate for equal rights for gay people without assuming that makes them one's political friends.

Rich gay guys who embrace conservative economic positions are not my allies.

[George II]

30. Are you a member of the LGBT Community? If not, how do you know.........

.........what they're concerned with?

[Jim Beard]

32. How does anyone know except a LGBT

and shouldn't the same apply to others?

[geek tragedy]

35. "LGBT" is not a noun. nt

[Chan790]

155. Some aren't. LGBTQ people are not a monolith any more than any other group of people. n/t

[justiceischeap]

71. You know, most people that are wealthy don't give a rats ass about economic equality

It isn't just the LGBTQ community, Mr. Beard.

As a member of the LGBTQ community, I'm concerned about all kinds of things but mostly, at this point in my life, I'm concerned about equal rights--and that doesn't pertain to just marriage equality but unless you've seen a survey, I'm guessing you've no idea what I'm actually talking about.

[Chitown Kev]

112. Oh, my stars and garters

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/headlines/beyond-stereotypes-poverty-in-the-lgbt-community/

There have been studies done on this topic which would take you mere seconds to look up.

[Jim Beard]

165. Thats right, it didn't take long

Gay Couples More Educated, Higher-Income Than Heterosexual Couples

Women who are in same-sex couples and in the labor force tend to make far more money than similar women in heterosexual couples, while men in gay couples tend to make slightly less than their heterosexual counterparts. People in gay couples are also more likely to be in the labor force (that is, working or looking for a job) than their heterosexual counterparts, and they're far more likely to be highly educated.

Those are a few of the datapoints from a new report on the demographics of America's same-sex couples. The Williams Institute, a think tank at UCLA that focuses on LGBT issues, has dissected Census data from 2005 through 2011 to create a detailed picture of the demographics of men and women who live with people of the same sex. And while the economic findings are at first puzzling—why would gay women earn so much money, while men in same-sex homes tend to take an earnings hit?—the author says the principles underlying those conclusions may in fact be nothing new

BTW, this article cites the same group linked in your post.

(Spelling correction)

[Chitown Kev]

172. Key word there...."couples"

[Jim Beard]

184. AND Single women - with men being very slightly below

hetro males. Both have higher educations.

[Chitown Kev]

195. Well aren't we LGBT's so lucky

that we make so much more than straight people that we don't worry about our households and lives and have no need for civil rights

[1StrongBlackMan]

269. Yep ...

right up until you are (lawfully) fired because you are gay, and then, evicted because your landlord find jesus, and your kids are expelled from school because they have two Daddies (rather than, the "more traditional" configuration), and ...

[redstateblues]

208. What is economic equality?

[1StrongBlackMan]

271. That utopian state where ...

there are no more poor (straight) white males.

[forsaken mortal]

304. God forbid someone fight for a society with no more poor people.

[stranger81]

316. You've forgotten, I guess, that those of us who believe

in economic justice do so only to further our ultimate goal of complete white supremacy. It would be a lie to say that what brought me to this struggle was the death of both my medically uninsured parents before retirement age -- one with from an illness that could have been easily treated had they been able to afford a visit to the doctor. No, what I really live for is hauling out the white sheet in my closet and making sure that none of the benefits of American citizenship ever inure to a person of color.

I'm so grateful to 1SBM for so succinctly explaining what we all really think, but just haven't found the proper words to express.

...........

Do I need the sarcasm tag here?

[1StrongBlackMan]

371. That's not what I wrote. n/t

[Triana]

12. Bookmarked. I know "Democrats" who are also MRAs

Somehow it's reconciled in their minds. But IMO, they're as bassackwards and woman-hating as any goddamned Republican.

[Matariki]

58. Nice signature graphic

did you make it? may I copy it?

[Triana]

59. I didn't make it. Found it on Twitter I think. Or maybe here!

Fine w/ me if you copy. No problem!

[Comrade Grumpy]

14. Maybe somebody should do an OP on social justice warriors.

It would be about as helpful and useful.

[William769]

16. Sound ike a job for you!

I'm sure you could knock something out.

[geek tragedy]

17. social justice warriors is a favorite term on the right wing.

while there are some who take that stuff too far (which is the case with every movement), using the rightwing vocabulary isn't helpful.

[Comrade Grumpy]

23. Yeah. Like PC. Too bad we supply them with a never-ending stream of ammunition.

[geek tragedy]

25. anyone who talks about civil rights gives them ammunition.

it's really not up to straight white guys like you and I to police what oppressed minorities say about their own civil rights.

[Comrade Grumpy]

166. Who's policing anybody?

That seems to be more the domain of the trigger warners and such like.

[cui bono]

292. But it is up to everyone to correct smears against a candidate and there are PoC doing that to

and allowing that to happen to Bernie. But they don't say anything when Hillary does something far worse. And they ostracize and bully other PoC who disagree with them. It's a vocal group on here that is attempting to divide and conquer over social vs economic justice and they are all either Hillary supporters or claiming not to be but smearing Bernie in particular. It's very obvious. There is no reason to separate the two. I don't know of any liberal or progressive who would choose to fight one battle over another. Especially when the one they say is not so important kills a lot of people too. So how do you decide which people should die?

[tishaLA]

52. like "race card" or "gender card" nt

[Number23]

215. Lots of DUers asolutely LOVE to hurl the SJW's insult. One enterprising hater even tossed in

the new phrase "kafka trapping" which is basically the SJW insult for people who hilariously believe that they are too smart to call people SJWs.

[Squinch]

303. Have you noticed though that the posters who toss the phrase "SJW" around a lot

pretty much all eventually expose themselves as trolls and go down in a blaze of trollish flame-out glory? It isn't a term many use, and the three that I can think of who used it a lot were all tombstoned.

It's kind of a tell...

[backscatter712]

18. Speaking as an atheist, I'll say I've met a few "brogressives".

The thing to remember is that you CAN work with them. You're not going to agree with them on some issues, but they detest GOP assclowns like Ted Cruz and Donald Trump just as much as we Social Justice Warriors(TM) do. And if you keep cool, you can probably have a great discussion with them on these issues over a beer.

And from some interactions I've had with them, many of them don't like the misogynistic crap we see from the right-wing, like attacks on Planned Parenthood and the LGBT community. But at the same time, if you start talking about triggers and microaggressions, they're gonna mock you.

A classic example is The Amazing Atheist on Youtube... Some of his videos you'll agree with them, some of them... not...

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmazingAtheist

[geek tragedy]

21. Amazing Atheist is a straight-up misogynistic piece of garbage

One of the more notorious ones on the Internet, which is saying something.

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/08/theamazingatheists-misogynist-meltdown/

here is how he likes to talk to women who are rape victims:

I’m going to rape you with my fist.

More:

I will make you a rape victim if you don’t fuck off.

More:

I’m tired of being treated like shit by you mean little cunts and then you using your rape as an excuse. Fuck you. I think we should give the guy who raped you a medal. I hope you fucking drown in rape semen, you ugly, mean-spirited cow. Actually, I don’t believe you were ever raped! What man would be tasteless enough to stick his dick into a human cesspool like you? Nice gif of a turd going into my mouth. Is that kind of like the way that rapists dick went in your pussy? Or did he use your asshole? Or was it both? Maybe you should think about it really hard for the next few hours. Relive it as much as possible. You know? Try to recall: was it my pussy or my ass?

More:

BTW, you have to admit, when I told you that I hope you drown in rape semen, you got a little wet, didn’t you? It’s okay. We’re friends now. You can share.

More:

Fuck you, liar. All night you douches have tried to shit on me and tear me down. Then when I do the same it’s like, “Whoa man! That’s too far. Calm down.” No. Fuck you. Go get raped in whatever orifice you have to get fucking raped in. I am sick of your shit. I regret nothing.

More:

I’m pretty sure I could rape you without getting killed if it was really on my agenda. I mean, you didn’t kill the first guy, right?

He's s piece of shit bigot, a creature more foul than anyone seeking the Republican nomination for President, and a wannabe rapist.

He's right up there with ISIS in terms of general loathsomeness.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Theamazingatheist

Terroja Lee Kincaid, otherwise known as Thomas "TJ" Kirk, otherwise known as TheAmazingAtheist, is an infamous antitheist atheist vlogger from Louisiana (who now lives in Ohio) known for his atheism, MRA stances, anti-religiousness, bigotry, and loud, aggressive tone. He is also the most embarrassing thing possible to appear on your browser history. Much of the skeptic community considers him a detriment to the cause and distance themselves; others (MRAs, Neoreactionarys, 13 year olds) are less negative towards him.

[mcar]

27. That is disgusting

[geek tragedy]

28. More of his woman-hating rants:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Theamazingatheist

Rape isn't fatal. So imagine my indignation when I saw a chatroom called "Rape Survivors." Is this supposed to impress me? Someone fucked you when you didn't want to be fucked and you're amazed that you survived? Unless he used a chainsaw instead of his dick, what's the big deal? I don’t mean to be horrendously offensive and insensitive here, but everyone survives rape. The word survivor applies to people who are alive after being stabbed 73 times with an ice pick or mauled by rabid wolverines, not to a woman who gets dick when she doesn't want it. Just because you got raped, you have to rape the English language? You vindictive bitch! Also, don't you ever get tired of being the victim? How many failed relationships are you going to blame on a single violation of your personal space?

And, this comment to a woman who had commented on a man's penis size:

told her, "You’re lucky it wasn't me. I’d have busted your fucking nose and raped you."

As I said, he's in the same league as ISIS.

[MattBaggins]

65. Dont forget cannibalism

He takes some weird extreme Libertarian view that consensual cannibalism should be allowed.

[potone]

228. Box turtles? Really?

That is a new one to me. My goodness, I have led a sheltered life! I don't even know what one looks like.

[Aerows]

380. They are very neat reptiles

They are called box turtles because they have this hinge on their bottom plate that can completely close them up when they withdraw into their shell.



All of that said (I just like critters), I'm not even certain how one would approach sex with one since they typically don't get very big, but then again I also don't dwell on how to have sex with anyone other than consenting adult women.

[potone]

400. Thank you for the information.

Their shells look beautiful, but I think you are wise to limit yourself to women. Inter-species relationships always end in tears.

[smirkymonkey]

217. Absolutely disgusting.

[ismnotwasm]

378. Yup

Sure is

[Hortensis]

22. The Brogressive is NOT socially liberal. He's a typical white male moderate

progressive conservative -- trendy purple-shirt urban model.

Note, when figuring out whether a rather centrist person falls liberal or con, that he or she usually holds positions for various issues on both sides; it's the direction the overall weight of his positions causes him to lean that clues one in.

[lumberjack_jeff]

24. The major theme of the 2014 election was "the war on women".

Microagressions, triggers, rape culture, safe spaces, patriarchy, etc.

How did that work out for us?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/11/26/why-the-war-on-women-failed-in-2014/

Though it is difficult to establish a connection between campaign rhetoric and voter behavior, the 2014 version of the “war on women” may not have benefited Democrats for this key reason: Democratic campaigns mistakenly conflated abortion and government-mandated insurance coverage for birth control, even though voters view these two issues through different lenses. In short, Democrats fundamentally misunderstood why there is a gender gap in American politics in the first place.

Attitudes about the size and scope of government — not abortion — are what drive the gender gap. Women are more likely than men to believe that the federal government should provide assistance to the poor, in part because women are disproportionately likely to be recipients of such government aid.

My priority is economic justice and populist approaches to achieve it. Most importantly, I think we should learn from the past. Call me a brogressive if you want.

I guarantee that there are worse enemies than me.

[Takket]

26. I thought that said BORGressive

"You will be assimilated... if that works for you. It is your choice. Hillary for hive queen!"

(Look up "star trek borg" if this makes no sense to you lol)

[tishaLA]

241. a REAL Borgressive...

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. My "New Worst Enemy"??? ...

Surely, the OP is mistaken ... Here on DU, they keep telling me they are my ALLY, dammit!!!

[tishaLA]

57. just don't "play the race card"

unless yo're talking about someone with an R after his or her name. In that case, the indignation is immeasurable.

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. The indignation is pretty high when ...

Black folks point of racism, too ... unless that someone with an R after his or her name,

[Electric Monk]

33. I feel like you want me to apologize for not being a black lesbian, or something. Not gonna happen.

I didn't choose my skin color or sexual orientation any more than you did.

That doesn't make us enemies.

Why are you trying to drive wedges between us?

[arcane1]

36. Why are you trying to drive wedges between us?

It's the Clinton way.

[hifiguy]

121. Twas ever thus.

Positively Rovian.

[Rex]

37. Hmmm....sounds a lot like a libertarian imo.

They 'think' they are progressives like us, because they 'smoke weed'...YUP, know few just like that. Have an Obama sticker on their Macbook...spot on! And don't get them talking about Macs...you will be there all day.

NOW, bring up corporate welfare or LGBTQ rights and watch their face form into a puzzle, "what does that have to do with anything?" Right...caught ya!

[workinclasszero]

78. Exactly

Ron Paul fans found a new messiah.

The old one didn't work out.

[Rex]

87. I'm always careful around a person that's worldview is shaped by what they ate for breakfast.

They are like a school of fish, the next day they might do a 180. You never know what their moral compass will be pointing at tomorrow.

[workinclasszero]

101. Really good point

eom

[Rex]

231. Yeah I was around back then, I know both parties got on board the train late.

I would LOVE to meet anyone in charge that had a moral compass that didn't move. LOVE. LO-VE.

[Rex]

244. I hear that!

Fire all the bums! I said it at 13 and now I'm 44 and still saying it. DO over with less mandering pandering. Yeah... I know a lot of us were way on board in the 60s 70s 80s some 90s...these young folks have a lot to learn about the abuse of power.

And they will learn it. It seems the way it is.

[Jim Beard]

38. It has never been a one size fits all.

Progressive

Prohibition

Prohibition was the outlawing of the manufacture, sale and transport of alcohol. Drinking itself was never prohibited. Throughout the Progressive Era, it remained one of the prominent causes associated with Progressivism at the local, state and national level, though support across the full breadth of Progressives was mixed.

[romanic]

39. Sounds like more dribble from the identity politics police.

Always looking within the base for an "enemy" then finding a new one the next year...then the next year, until all that's left is themselves - where they find an enemy within. See how that works?

[JustinSane]

41. Yup, never anything positive to say about their own lousy candidate.

Who sure as hell is no progressive on ANY issue. But thread after thread about how awful the other guys supporters are. Pathetic and sad.. Apparently they feel very confident their candidate can win the general without us, because the Clinton supporters here have done absolutely nothing to make me want to hold my nose and vote for her.

[maxsolomon]

43. I would assume that every GOP candidate has, however.

As they say, Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay. Keep sowing those good vibes, as I'm sure was your intent.

[JustinSane]

47. What about the GOP?

And I'm not the one posting divisive identity politics threads one after another. Get your own house in order before you criticize me.

[maxsolomon]

54. Here's what I was referring to:

"the Clinton supporters here have done absolutely nothing to make me want to hold my nose and vote for her."

I didn't even know the OP was pro-Clinton. Personally, IDGAF which of them wins the nomination, as long as one of them wins the General.

[JustinSane]

67. Think whatever you like

Call me a misogynistic Berniebro, a weed smoking rand Paul supporter, or whatever other cute insinuations get slung around here daily. Doesn't affect me any.

Iv showed up and voted every election of my adault life. And never once have I cast a single vote for a puke. Not on the national, state, or local level. Never.

I'm just saying that Iv never been less enthused to vote for anyone more than Sec. Clinton. And her DU fan club does very little to win me over by focusing the majority of their efforts on belittling anyone who doesn't worship at the alter of the anointed one.

[maxsolomon]

85. Maybe you should get enthused after the convention, then.

She's going to be the only bulwark Dems have against terrible GOP legislation.

My focus is the General. You won't see me "tearing down" Sen. Sanders because I agree with his message 99%. I'm just a realist about his age and appeal to "swing" voters and "independents" (AKA "flibberdigibbets&quot .

Nor will I tear down Sec. Clinton, because I think this nation could really use a woman as President. She's smart, she knows how DC works, and she considers Republicans her enemy. They're mine as well.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[MisterP]

40. I thought it was flannel we had to be afraid of

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and their complicated gyroboards and other young-people things

[maxsolomon]

42. Part of me is offended, even though I'm a bigger Feminist than my wife.

You see, I laugh at South Park. I don't think Caitlin Jenner is a hero. I'm squarely against the misogyny of Islam. But I'm also an advocate of multiple Liberal causes: Family Leave, Climate Change, Gun Control, Black Lives Matter, improved Transportation Infrastructure, to name a few. I also advocate kicking GOP Congressmen in the nuts whenever possible.

If the Brogressive votes a straight Dem ticket, then I don't see why he's got to be your enemy.

[ismnotwasm]

44. They hang out on Reddit, 4Chan and AVFM

Among other places.

[1StrongBlackMan]

275. Other places like, here? n/t

[ismnotwasm]

374. They have been HERE for years

I get the feeling people think this is a slam at Sanders supporters-- not to me, it's outlining a very familier type of Internet presence.

[1StrongBlackMan]

376. LOL ...

I get the feeling people think this is a slam at Sanders supporters

Visceral self-recognition?

[ismnotwasm]

377. Sure seems like it

But -the "fedora" reference should have clued people in right there, I mean who wants to be associated with the MRA movement? Unless, of course they are...

[Aerows]

277. You seem familiar with those places. n/t

[ismnotwasm]

373. Sure, I read all over the internet

Plus follow several blogs who have been posting about these types for years, such as WeHuntedTheMammouth --although David tends to target the RW version
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com

This isn't new. FWIW, this thread contains several of the the same name that I recognize from various gender war threads here at DU. It turned out exactly as I expected.

[Throd]

45. Someone who has different priorities is now an "enemy"?

[Doctor_J]

76. your worst enemy

Maybe eight years of president Carson will change their approach.

[Doctor_J]

48. I think I read that at freeperville not too long ago

Why is it bad at du to call conservatives like Obama and Clinton DINOS, but OK to call liberals "your worst enemy"? I will be amused at the excuses that fly when Mrs Clinton and the next teabagger congress give away the rest of the commons.

[hifiguy]

49. Words lack the ability to describe your pathetic fail.

Keep throwing it:

?w=300

[hifiguy]

125. For those types the lightbulb always comes on

about six months too late.

[NaturalHigh]

114. That's a nice visual aid. Very appropriate for this OP.

[Matariki]

53. "The Brogressive loves Reddit, but hates Tumblr"

is this parody?

[Aerows]

227. *BIG BUNCH OF AXE-GRINDING GOING ON*

You hit the nail on the head.

If you can't swing with the grown ups, run off and create a site to cry on, well, who are the adults, and who are the kids?

[LittleBlue]

74. Written by mediocre minds, for mediocre minds

The ones who engage in politics as a team sport rather than a strategy.

We lost the senate and house, let's ostracize some more voters!

[Matariki]

219. And thus PROVES everything wrong with him/her.

But seriously - Tumblr? The site for angsty preteens?

[Deadshot]

56. What a stupid article.

[Aerows]

61. There is hateful

and then there is this.

Directed at your own damn party members.

Good Lord William. I thought you were better than this.

[stranger81]

69. You thought the proprietor of the Clinton Cave was better than this?

Um, why?

[Electric Monk]

105. You're saying William769 is Bill King? That puts this new thread in a different context.

Here's a lovely thread about the intentional disruptors posing as Clinton supporters http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=623308

and this guy hosts their website. Wow.

Skinner really does allow a big tent on DU. I wonder what he'd think of this thread we're in if he saw it?

[hifiguy]

115. William 769 proudly boasted right here in DU

that that site is his. Several times.

[hifiguy]

167. I'd bet a hundred bucks that site is funded

by dark money from HRH's campaign.

This just in: photo of soopersecret business plan of that "special" site:

[beam me up scottie]

169. Maybe he's hoping to "prod" more Bernie supporters into hides.

[hifiguy]

174. I love, Love LOVE that you grabbed all those screencaps

before they scuttled back into the walls like the cockroaches they are and scrubbed that site. They can't lie those away.

I think you have enough of them to knock them down until doomsday. The truth hurts.

[beam me up scottie]

176. The thing is I didn't, they were sent to me by one of their own members!

[hifiguy]

180. You have GOT to be kidding me.

Stoopid is as stoopid does, and that belongs on the Mount Rushmore of Teh Stoopid.

First thing I've read here that deserves multiple Jerrys!

[beam me up scottie]

181. They didn't put the wall up until after we saw the blatant bigotry.

Every time one of them tries to claim the high road they should be reminded of what goes on in that cesspool.

[daredtowork]

252. "prodding" people to farm alerts should earn a perma ban.nt

[beam me up scottie]

259. Others do it as well.

They just don't get caught bragging about it.

[daredtowork]

266. OMG funnier than blowing up the moon!

Just read Manny's IBTL thread that clarifies the off-site trollfest.

[beam me up scottie]

267. Honestly they are welcome to that site.

But when they come here and accuse DUers of being less than progessive it really chaps my hide.

[cui bono]

253. That's too funny! Makes hifi's alerter's jury results even better.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7300691

You wanna be a Clinton Caver and fling poo and hatred then you gotta live with the consequences.

[beam me up scottie]

256. The hypocrisy is stunning.

Members of a site known for anti-Semitism and trolling complaining about DUers.

[cui bono]

251. Jury results...

This alert is even funnier after reading beamie's post that the screencaps were sent to her by one of the Clinton Cavers! That is hilarious.



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Referring to DU'ers as "cockroaches" is beyond the pale. This needs to stop.

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[beam me up scottie]

257. Irony:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=618263

[stranger81]

263. Jesus H. Christ.

[beam me up scottie]

265. You called?

[jfern]

280. Those cowards alert stalked cali into her 5th hide

[Aerows]

283. Yes. They did.

And nobody here has forgotten that travesty.

[beam me up scottie]

284. This is why it's better to either ignore flamebaiting and trolling or laugh at it.

It's meant to provoke an angry reaction and unfortunately posters on both sides are guilty of doing it.

[RiffRandell]

396. I wonder who "Bill" is in the last post above.

No, I really don't.

[Electric Monk]

158. I guess I missed those threads, but I won't forget this one. Obvious troll is obvious. nt

[Aerows]

272. Nor will I.

And I have a long damn memory.

[Aerows]

287. Just another example

of accusing people of the very thing you are doing yourself.

[Electric Monk]

293. Um, what? Did you mean to reply to somebody else? nt

[Aerows]

298. No. I'm pretty direct, Electric Monk.

I state exactly what I mean to and to whom I direct my comments toward.

Are you unclear on what I said to you?

[Electric Monk]

300. First reply you were agreeing with me, then in the next you called me a troll. What gives? nt

[Aerows]

301. What?

I neither agreed with you, nor called you anything.

Are you okay?

[Electric Monk]

302. I'm confused by your reply (#287). nt

[Aerows]

305. Oh. Yes.

that was directed squarely at you.

I'll reiterate that when people accuse others of the behavior that they, themselves, engage in, it is called.

Hmm.

Can't remember the term.

[ismnotwasm]

379. And I proudly boasted right here at DU

That I post there.

Looks like the whole gang's all here, just missing a few names, we'll give it some time.

[arcane1]

134. Yep, which is why "consider the source" is a wise approach to some posters n/t

[Aerows]

225. That is a fascinating

way to shine my apple, my dear, but I have been around here for a while, and did let Skinner know exactly what I think of the crap going on around here.

Come on. I'll let you know if I get scared.

[seaglass]

255. Why would Skinner care? He created Discussionist and does not seem to care that DUers there bash

DUers here. That ship sailed a long time ago.

[ibegurpard]

135. you did?

What have you ever seen from OP that would have given you any other impression.

[beam me up scottie]

62. What do you call a progressive who uses anti-Semitic talking points?

Or one who approves of anti-Semitism as long as the target is Bernie Sanders?

Like the posts at your website accusing Bernie of having a "nest egg" in Israel?

[beam me up scottie]

151. One of them claimed Hillary is better because she "shares the faith".

*wink wink*

[hifiguy]

178. That one is just plain gonzo crazy.

[beam me up scottie]

179. At least that dog whistle was called out here, this is what goes on at the other site:

[beam me up scottie]

392. And how none of them bothered to rec or post in my thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=624166

Hell they even started a nasty thread about it at their site.

Reminds me of the Cave.

[sheshe2]

258. It has been said to you before....

The same article was posted at DU first, in Israel/Palestine Group. Actually there was a great discussion about it. I am sure you took offense to it on DU as well.

Please link all your irate responses, I would love to read them.

[beam me up scottie]

261. Were the comments about Bernie being funded by Israel posted here?

Because they get hidden on DU.

And did you protest when that accusation was made at the other website?

If so I must have missed it.

Please link to your irate responses, I would love to read them.

[stranger81]

66. I'd be interested in knowing just what, exactly, this constant demonization of anyone who disagrees

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that economic justice is irrelevant and that the Democratic platform should be restricted to racial, gender and sexual orientation issues only is supposed to accomplish.

I keep hearing over and over and over and over that Bernie Sanders is going to lose, that HRC has already won, that the primary shouldn't even happen, that Bernie should drop out now . . . . . and in the event any of those things come to pass, it's HRC supporters who are presumably going to be looking for votes from the left wing of the party. How does constantly disparaging anyone who cares about economic justice issues win you more votes? Or is the game plan just to demonize us now, and then blame us later when Hillary loses the general?

Actually, no one needs to answer that last question -- rhetorical only. Pretty sure I already know the answer to that one.

SMH.

[JustinSane]

72. Thank you

Thats exactly what I'm saying. Just phrased far more eloquently of course .

[stranger81]

73. Welcome to DU.

Hope you stick around for a while.

[JustinSane]

75. Thanks nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

233. It's not an election with these people, it's virtue signaling.

The bigger the club, the more diluted their personal virtue.

[cui bono]

290. I believe it's the only way they can 1) rationalize voting for a corporate candidate

which in turn will 2) make the party more centrist.

No other good can come of it. It is not in the interest of any group of people, especially not the ones they claim to be representing.

It's the old 'divide and conquer' tactic but they are using it against - presumably - people in their own party. Usually it's the overlords dividing and conquering the little people so that they don't rise up. So you gotta wonder, who are all these social justice only people really representing?

[forsaken mortal]

312. +1

I find it odd that so many people here believe that if you're concerned with economic justice then that somehow means you can't support civil rights. I always thought civil rights and economic justice weren't mutually exclusive, I guess I was wrong.

[catrose]

68. I'm puzzled

as to how much was left besides Racial Justice, LGBTQ Rights, and Women's Rights. Take those out of the tent, and the tent fits on a table top.

[ibegurpard]

148. environmental issues?

Economic issues? Foreign policy issues? Campaign reform issues?

[catrose]

207. To me, those overlap quite a bit with those cited earlierr

or they should.

[Maedhros]

294. The going theory, put forth by a bunch of very confused but dedicated posters,

is that issues are entirely separate and exclusive of one another. If you don't see issues the same way, then you are to be excoriated as an enemy.

[Jim Beard]

152. Thank you for making this point

that many of us have been who disagrees with the author of the thread.

Other good reading is the comments section of the article.

[catrose]

205. NOOOOOOOO not the COMMENTS!

[Fumesucker]

77. When is the Brosplaining going to stop?

[NaturalHigh]

127. Didn't it used to be called "mansplaining"?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

288. You don't get to decide the syntax of the new matriarchy, bro! n/m

[beam me up scottie]

80. What's hiding in your closet?

Be afraid, be very afraid of the ginham.

[beam me up scottie]

89. Good, because I'd hate for you to become my worst enemy.

As a feminist I need to know who they are, good thing the woman who wrote that drivel is making it so easy for the rest of us.

The gop is waging a war on women and she's targeting harmless hipsters.

[Warren DeMontague]

91. for some people, no war is more important than the fashion war.

Or something.

[beam me up scottie]

96. Brofashion police are all over that shit. Next: dudes who wear these:

[Warren DeMontague]

100. My eye doctor told me i should get progressive lenses

I said "but im voting for bernie sanders! Doesnt that make a me a white supremacist libertarian mens rights activist?"

[beam me up scottie]

103. LOLOLOL!

How long before Godwin?

[arcane1]

141. .

[Fumesucker]

83. Next thing you know it'll be paisley

And what happens after that is too horrible to contemplate.

[Rex]

98. Psilocybin?

What pray tell is that?

[beam me up scottie]

92. Thank you for the acid flashback.

[Fumesucker]

104. I'm wearing my flaming tie die peace sign tee shirt today

A gift from one of my grandkids...

Hold on while I crank up some music...

//

[beam me up scottie]

109. Nice. Here, have some Jimi with that:

[hifiguy]

124. I hade a stage shirt much llike that one

and a pair of shiny silver pants and Frye boots to go with it.

In 1975 when I was gigging in a hard rock band.

[backscatter712]

143. Hey, you didn't put a trigger warning on your post.

You're such a shitlord!

[backscatter712]

212. Nice. Do you also have a neckbeard like Sam the Eagle?

[daredtowork]

82. Brogressives also hijacking housing issues.

Libertarian "market rate solutions" Brogrammers and profiteering condo developers who seek to exploit the housing crisis have joined forces to make profiteering look "environmental". Their lobbying groups are recruiting from "hackerspaces" and "net neutrality" groups. I've started to see their articles in quasi-progressive vehicles like Vox. If NIMBY is in the title and the comments are full of trolls hurling bile at "the old", you know you're dealing with Brogressive infiltration. Bonus points if they quote Machiavelli or Ayn Rand.

Because Brogressives are sponsored by mega campaign donors (big tech, real estate industry), you also see your ostensible political representatives treating them as "the public" and "the young", and politicians work directly with lobbying groups to bus them in from 3 cities away to astroturf public meetings.

Brogressives suck.

[Rex]

93. "Bonus points if they quote Machiavelli or Ayn Rand."

I see you've meet some personally. They never realize that falling back on Rand is actually admitting defeat.

[SpankMe]

94. Probably a future Republican.

I know a college student or two who are nominally progressive on non-gender issues, but are boorish as hell when it comes to women's rights. (Oddly, they're pro-choice and are pretty good on LGBT issues.)

[retrowire]

97. i think i witnessed one of these

at the bernie rally in NC.

he was pebbly making fun of the issues because he was hoping to offend someone and impress his obviously passionate about the issues girlfriend.

douchebagel

[NaturalHigh]

102. "Meet The Brogressive, Your New Worst Enemy"

Actually, a much worse enemy is someone who tells me what my priorities should be.

[Monk06]

365. Don't forget the TERF, another internet forum invention by anonymous identity cadres. They're

the same as Maoist Cultural Revolutionaries, erasing history so they don't have to acknowledge their debt to their antecedents. More significant is their desire to monopolize public debate by slander and putting cone hats and placards on their enemies then marching them to the town square for a dose of re-education

Admit your counter revolutionary, bourgeois revisionism you Brogressive running dog !!

[RandySF]

118. I did see, for the first time on DU, a thread full of anti-immigrant rants.

I don't think this is all coming from the traditional left. I think Bernie's economic message is drawing people whose views we typically do not share.

[daredtowork]

136. Brogressives are more likely Hillary partisans

Their economic approach is Libertarian, which is closer to Hillary's Third Way/ New Dem policies. She's the one wooing the tech industry for big money. She is also the one that fosters setting different groups against each other while portraying Bernie's efforts to get economic justice for all as somehow racist. Hillary would be a Brogressive if she were a bro.

[RandySF]

150. Say what you want

They were Sander's supporters.

[beam me up scottie]

189. New word: Woe-gressive

As in Woe is me, another progressive disagrees with me!

He just became my worst enemy!

[daredtowork]

230. It's not about disagreement, it's about fraud

I read the part about Bernie in the article, and the author was referring to hypocrites who claim to be Bernie supporters, the same as she calls out phony progressive. Brogressives don't support progressive policies, they are learning "liberal media messaging" to undermine and sabotage those policies.

Though the fedora dig is a low blow and inaccurate (Brogressives come in all shapes and sizes: and they include the infamous Pick Up Artists as well as jerks who are outraged that women aren't obliged to submit to their demands) -- the rest of the article describes a very real phenomenon. There does seem to be a lot of young libertarian white males who are forming activist groups and engaging in social media campaigns that are meant to infiltrate progressive strongholds and seed them with libertarian white male supramecist ideas.

This is not the sme thing as seeking an alliance since they are not honestly representing their ideas. Instead, they are gaming the system to do a "leveraged buy out" of existing progressive infrastructure. The Third Way taught them that it's easier to steal one of the Big Two parties than push their ideas through a third party position.

Brogressives is a great description of these infiltrators.

[beam me up scottie]

235. The author of the piece is a blithering idiot.

Like I said, most women are intelligent enough to know who our worst enemy is, and the dude who doesn't prioritize social justice but votes the same way we do isn't him.

This is our worst enemy:

[daredtowork]

238. What makes you think he votes the same way we do?

The dude was at the conference to hone his "liberal media messaging" skills.

If he's a Brogressive, then his aim is to hijack progressive votes to support libertarian policies.

[beam me up scottie]

243. What makes you think she's telling the truth?

I'm tired of people making up stories to vilify Bernie supporters.

If she was a guy the perfect response to this vanity piece would be "Cool story, bro!"

[daredtowork]

250. It's a true scenario at least.

It's believable because people have personal encounters that resemble this.

As a Bernie supporter, I don't agree with using Bernie hypocrites as the main example. As I pointed out in another comment, Third Way positions tend to describe Hillary supporters. But ultimately Brogressives are libertarians who forward white male supremacist positions even though they wouldn't admit to be doing that. If they do admit it, they will complain about any backlash as being PC of "feminazi".

I also think that the Black Lives Matter references are widely misused and misleading. I'm the first to agree that whitewashed Seattle is in collective denial about its privilege. However, by targetting Bernie - even if it was all about power-mapping - the BLM movement set up Bernie and his supporters for ongoing false representation (such as the idea they are crawling with Brogressives - most wouldn't touch Bernie's "Social Justice Warriors" with a 10 foot pole). This is a gift to Hillary's campaign team, even if Hillary didn't arrange it and BLM is ostensibly apolitical.

Perhaps the author wrote the whole article around an attempt to burn Bernie. Yet I still think the concept is valuable, because I think all the candidates at Democratic party organizations are trying to figure out how to deal with the invasion of the Brogressives. Local political leaders in Big Tech regions are trying to use the Brogressives, but traditional progressive constituents see what is going on and are starting to call them out. The Brogressive love affair is going to backfire badly.

[beam me up scottie]

254. To me that sounds exactly like that's what she's doing.

If she meant libertarians she should have said that, making up new words and stereotypes is nothing more than petty ax grinding.

It makes a small clique of fellow ax grinders feel good but in the end it's nothing but ammunition for the folks who want to turn this into a shit flinging contest.

Anything to distract from the issues that make it obvious that they're not backing a progressive candidate.

[daredtowork]

268. I agree about the article

However, I've been grappling for a word to describe these libertarian fake progressives, and Brogressive really hits the spot. So even if she intended to plant crap against Bernie, I think she came up with a good mode of address for Bernie's enemies.

It's sort of like when a football player on the opposite team gets confused and runs all the way down the field to give your side a touchdown.

Or Wil Wheaton in The Outer Limits "Charge of the Light Brigade".

[beam me up scottie]

270. Meh. It's already been done with "Bernie-bros" but Manny ruined that for them on DU.

Embracing a slur is the best way to neutralize it.

[daredtowork]

274. Aw don't waste your hugs

That will make it impossible to use this term to lambast the hipster dudes who think elderly and disabled people should move to a "place they can afford" like "Detroit", while Brogrammers steal their housing and proclaim themselves to be green climate heros while doing it. :p

[beam me up scottie]

278. Oh there are people who fit that description, no doubt.

But when they try to paint every white male Bernie supporter with the same brush it loses all meaning.

Nice talking to you, thanks for the civil discourse.

[daredtowork]

282. Maybe that's the goal

By tagging Bernie supporters they throw some FUD to allow them to carry on while preventing Bernie supporters, their natural SJW enemies, from calling them on it.

[beam me up scottie]

289. They want to pit us against each other.

And when we eat out own the GOP wins.

[daredtowork]

295. This is true. nt

[betterdemsonly]

144. never met a fiscally conservative Bernie supporter before. Sounds made up!

Like they are trying to project a Ron Paul supporter on to Bernie supporters and forgot to change the fiscally conservative part.

I am a women and a Bernie supporter. I spend no time, at tumblr or reddit I also wouldn't take someone seriously who writes for a website that evolks slantedness.

[daredtowork]

177. Yep: Ron Paul. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

192. it's not fact-based enough to qualify as "made up"

I don't think it will pass the high evidentiary bar to qualify as genuinely imaginary.

[ibegurpard]

146. let me explain something about myself.

I believe in human-caused climate change. I am 100% behind policy initiatives to cut fossil fuel consumption and to keep our air, water, and land clean. I am 100% behind policy to promote cleaner sustainable energy solutions. However these topics bore the hell out of me. If I was at such a conference I would be much more interested in participating in seminars about social and economic equality and justice and more effective messaging. Tell me.. does this make me an enemy of the environmental movement? Particularly if I'm not wearing flannel while munching on some organic edamame?

[SidDithers]

153. DU rec for pissing off all the right people...nt

Sid

[Tarheel_Dem]

168. Jury Results. Whoever sent this ridiculous alert should be put on a timeout.

On Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

DU rec for pissing off all the right people...nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7299967

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This would be the definition of a troll.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:44 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sid is Sid. Expect nothing, and you won't be disappointed.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sid is no "troll". Just stop it!
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sid Dithers. He's Skinner. He's you. He's me. He's everyone on the internets.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The person who alerted should be banned.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sid is the troll slayer, not the troll. Alert FAIL!
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A little bit of shit stirring perhaps, but not an attack or a callout.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[bullwinkle428]

297. "STIFLE, EDITH!!"

[Warren DeMontague]

170. BINGO!

You know, though, Sid, if you had gotten that in between posts #50-#70 I would have pulled in 10X odds on my initial bet.

Next time, try to be a little more punctual, okay? Chop Chop, help a bro out!

[beam me up scottie]

175. Stop! We're supposed to act pissed off to make them happy!

Laughing at them just harshes the buzz.

[hifiguy]

182. Nothing is more lethal to utter bullshit

than vicious mockery. Twas ever thus.

[beam me up scottie]

183. I bet DUers who trashed GDP are thrilled that the op brought it here.

At least it provided some much needed entertainment!

[Warren DeMontague]

196. THRILLED! THRILLED, I SAY!

Squee!!!!!!!!!!!

[beam me up scottie]

193. You can be a shiny happy person!

[beam me up scottie]

198. Right? I had to listen to this to cleanse my palate:

Ah... so much better.

[beam me up scottie]

203. Wonderful! Although this is still my favourite:

[beam me up scottie]

210. Have you ever heard of the Canadian band The Tragically Hip?

I've seen them 3 times in concert, here's the song that made me a convert:

[opiate69]

273. That's one of my go-to karaoke songs....

when I'm sufficiently un-sober enough to forget that I'm a guitarist, and not a damned vocalist.
Seriously, though, that entire album is brilliant. One of my favorites:

[beam me up scottie]

276. The first time I heard that song I had to pull over.

This was long before Google and I just had to know WHO ARE THESE GUYS???

Fully Completely is pretty damned good too:

[beam me up scottie]

199. Me too!

Let's get this to the top of the greatest!

[beam me up scottie]

204. Well put on your Birkenstocks, get in your Volvo and come pick me up!

I let my limo driver have the night off.

[Number23]

220. And you can tell they know they've been hit too. Hence the incessant wailing

alllllll up and down and back up again in this thread.

[Cali_Democrat]

226. Yep! A lot of familiar names.....

[Bobbie Jo]

291. Wow, No kidding...

Quite the exhibition.


Damn.

[Tarheel_Dem]

313. ^^^^ THIS ^^^^

[betsuni]

322. Once again, they are completely obsessed. It is so easy.

It's like throwing bits of stale bread into a carp pond and all the fish come rushing over in a frenzy to open their big mouths.

[Starry Messenger]

370. And how!

[lumberjack_jeff]

191. Boys. Ick! n/t

[Scootaloo]

202. Back in my day, we called 'em "libertarians" and gosh-darn it, we liked it!

My question is, what do we call the people who DO "check the boxes" - but only because they know someone else is looking?

[Bluenorthwest]

206. My worst political enemies had a debate last night. They have attacked my rights and those of

women unrelentingly my entire life, not only on the national level but at the State and local levels. Their entire Party is anti choice and opposed to all LGBT rights. Anyone who can't recognize the enemy has already lost.

[Nye Bevan]

209. I'm not sure that "worst enemy" means what the author thinks it means. (nt)

[Comrade Grumpy]

211. Whoever dropped this turd here need to come pick it up and put it where it belongs.

hillaryclintonsupporters.com

[Cha]

213. Yes, it's not just us who have "met" them.. they're all over the net and outside. There were

bound to be articles about encounters.

"What does that mean?"

Oh, just this..

When I said "feminist," his mouth curled. "What does that mean?" He asked, confused. I explained I spent most of my time writing blog posts, tweets, and research summaries pertaining to the feminist movement, primarily in the areas of reproductive justice and sexual violence prevention on college campuses. With a faint eyebrow raise, the conversation abruptly ended

Thank you, William~

[merrily]

216. I smell bs from slantnews.

[Rex]

240. It is actually called slantnews.

I figured it was something like the onion.

[merrily]

246. Yet treated as though it were named carvedinstonenews

[Rex]

248. Only the stars know our fate...

and they ain't telling.

[GeorgeGist]

221. Too ...

hard to hide.

[Cali_Democrat]

222. K&R

Excellent article and so damn true.

The levers of power already benefit the Brogressive.

[Cali_Democrat]

223. Also....I see this article caught some of them

like fly paper.

[betsuni]

326. They certainly are taking this awfully seriously.

Time to change the fly paper, it is full.

[mhatrw]

224. There was this one straight white guy who was not all that interested in identity politics

because he was not a person of color, a woman, or LGBTQ.

This guy agrees with you on every other issue and has nothing against PoC, women, or LGBTQs.

But, see, this insensitive lout is definitely your very worst enemy because if you were to try to befriend him, then you all just might find a way to work together for positive change for everyone in the 99%.

[Maedhros]

299. Well, watch out for THAT GUY.

He sounds like he's up to no good.

[guillaumeb]

229. So whoever checks the most boxes equates to the most progressive?

The "holier than thou" syndrome applied to progressive politics?

What a self-important and self congratulatory type the writer seems to be.

[bullwinkle428]

249. This article does make quite a case for opposing "Blue Dog" Democrats.

[Aerows]

260. Some tend gardens, and grow good things.

Some create graveyards.

You are doing the latter.

[Aerows]

314. I refuse to be part of that crop.

I know when I am done.

Reaping the whirlwind is not to be anticipated, but to be stopped.

[NYCLisa]

318. When nefarious types try to hijack your party,

they need to be called out.

There is nothing to be gained by allowing Rand Paul types into the tent, and I would imagine that all Democrats feel this way.

[Aerows]

320. Welcome to DU

and I suspect most do feel that way, but don't voice it.

[niyad]

279. dear goddess, so glad I don't actually know any of these cretins. the fundiwhackdoodles around

here are bad enough.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

285. Cool story, dudette

You even just happened to run into the guy with the full internet meme "neckbeard" outfit lest anyone not catch on to your oh so subtle writing style.

Convenient.

[NYCLisa]

309. Rand Paul fans seem to be integrating themselves into the Democratic Party.

This blog posting really rings true.

I'm quite surprised to see that there are a few Senator Sanders supporters taking offense to this posting. This blog did not seem to be aimed at Senator Sanders supporters, but rather young Rand Paul types that are hitching on.

As a former Vermont resident, I know that Senator Sanders would agree with this opinion expressed in this blog.

[NYCLisa]

315. The blog is pretty clear to me.

Rand Paul type supporters have joined the party.

Rand Paul supporters are typically young men who are progressive on some issues, and very conservative on others.

Quite certainly there are Democrats who support Senator Sanders, who believe he is a leader on economic, social, environment, and other Democratic issues.

But as the blog states, there are others who are trying to crash the Democratic Party, and their interests are not necessarily in line with ours.

[NYCLisa]

319. You think this is all about pot?

[NYCLisa]

325. Fashion? That's what you got out of it?

Oh, boy. lol

You might want to read it again. It wasn't about fashion, it was about ideology.

If Rand Paul types want to vote for Democrats, that's great.

But if Rand Paul types want to hijack the Democratic party, because the Republicans kicked them to the curb and they believe they'll have an easier go with Democrats, well no thanks. These people are without a party, because they are crazy. The Democratic Party has been winning without them for years. More and more people are becoming members f the Democratic Party, each year. We don't need Republican clown cast-offs in order to win. We will certainly welcome them into our party, but they must adhere to our party, and our party platform. A few derelicts will not take down the Democratic Party.

[NYCLisa]

328. Geez, it's right there in black and white

snip

inserting your words here: What parts of our platform aren't they agreeing with? There isn't jack shit about platforms in the blogger's piece, any more than there is mention of Rand Paul- what there IS, is, mention of "weed", gingham shirts, and Bernie Sanders, along with the cognitive-dissonance inducing assertion that these "Brogressives" are "fiscally conservative" (at the same time, remember, that they're sporting Obama stickers and supporting Bernie Sanders).



my response as follows.

Under the section where we were supposed to circle which aspects of progressive politics interested us, I glanced at his paper, only to see he chose every possible answer except for "Racial Justice," LGBTQ Rights," and "Women's Rights."

snip


Let's demand he explain his inconsistencies, and fiercely explain that his "socially liberal stance" (read: he likes weed) means nothing if he remains "fiscally conservative." We, the friends and loved ones of the Brogressive, need to collectively remind him of his downright hurtful understanding of society and politics before he makes that run for office.

snip

(insert my opinion, most especially this part)

And if you, the Brogressive, are reading this, all we ask is that you take a few minutes, and without playing Devil's Advocate, listen to what we are saying.

[NYCLisa]

332. Axe to grind? Stereotypes? Dreamed up in her head?

Really man? You're defending this type of voter? And you're a Democrat?

Wow. If you are down with this type of dude, hey, by all means, knock yourself out. It's certainly not the kind of guy I want to hang out with? This type holds us back, and they are not in anyway what I consider a Progressive Democrat. This type is a disgruntled Paulbot. An ignorant fool, searching for a party. To each, their own, I guess. But I have no interest in aligning with that type.

[NYCLisa]

338. The fact that your think this is rhetorical and made up,

leads me to believe that you aren't paying very close attention.

This type is out there. Whether you wish to acknowledge it or not is up to you. But it won't change the fact that this type of person is indeed out there, and attempting to join the Democratic Party.

[NYCLisa]

340. Wow!

At this point, I'm gonna guess she was writing about YOU.

A real live, in my face, Brogressive.

Rock on, dude, the party will live without you. lol

[NYCLisa]

343. lmao. Sure dude.

The only reason this conversation is done, is because you've outed yourself.

Holy moly, sticking up for Rand Paul types, and you're proud of it. What a piece of work.

[NYCLisa]

345. lol

You just keep sticking up for Rand Paul. Too funny that you don't see it.

[NYCLisa]

347. hahahahaha

Rand Paul sucks.

G'Night

[NYCLisa]

349. Yes, I get it. You're mad that she hates Rand Paulers.

Let's knock that young blogger down.... she dissed a dude.... arrrrghhhh.

Put that young lady in her place, Men rule (even Republican Paulbots) Girls drool.

Shame her, shame her, make me feel all manly. Wooohoooo.

C'mon guys, we got this.

[NYCLisa]

351. weird picture

but anyway, I'm still lmao at you.

I think that tree could fall on your head, and you still won't get it.

Just stand there out in the woods, beside your tree. I can only hope that someday, you will rejoin civilization, and get a clue.

[msanthrope]

353. Damn, Warren....it only took that woman 20 posts. My hat is off

to her.

[msanthrope]

357. Warren....go have some coffee. Water. Bed. Seriously. In the

morning, when you can't find your ass, reread this subthread and try to remember where you put it after it got handed to you.

[msanthrope]

360. "Ass intact." Your quote...not mine. nt

[msanthrope]

366. And they say chivalry is dead.....nt

[msanthrope]

368. No....your reference to failing to save me from a newbie who might

insult me.....

Warren, I've never needed the assistance of any poster on this board for such a purpose. That a male poster would make that comment to a female one speaks volumes.

[Cha]

329. Mahalo for your perspective, NYCLisa.. and Welcome to DU.. not everyone questions what you have

to say.

[NYCLisa]

335. I thought it was made clear that it was about

Rand Paul types.

Some of whom are hijacking the Sanders campaign. But that alone doesn't make them Sanders supporters, or Democrats.

Some of the pushback on this is very strange.

[NYCLisa]

342. I know plenty of Sanders supporters who are Democrats.

They aren't who the blogger was discussing.

I think it was you, who was being addressed.

I leave it to anyone reading my post to not speculate, but see very clearly what is going on here. Holy crap. I have a real live Brogressive responding to my posts. And you're not even hiding it. LMAO

[NYCLisa]

333. Hey, thank you!

[Cha]

337. You're Welcome.. thank you!

[msanthrope]

354. Welcome to DU. Stick around. nt

[SunSeeker]

381. Thanks for the great subthread NYCLisa!

I like your style. Welcome to DU!

[stranger81]

383. Funny that you bring this up, since there actually IS a group that left the GOP

and has been trying, for more than 30 years now, to hijack the Democratic party and make it Republican-lite.

Can you guess who I'm talking about?

Hint: they're not called "brogressives."

[Rex]

386. Now there is a username I have not seen in years!

Just start posting on DU again? WB.

[msanthrope]

355. I just got castigated in a PM for recc'ing this. I guess I'm supposed

to care.

[Warren DeMontague]

359. I rec'd it.

Fucking comedy gold, it is.

[Kurska]

362. 99% sure this didn't happen EOM

[Warren DeMontague]

364. on the off chance that the author of the piece were hypothetically in this thread in person

I'd be interested to hear her defend the veracity of that anecdote.

I, too, think it smells pretty made-up.

[onehandle]

372. Tons of these self-important neo-hipsters in Philly.

A lot of them are trust fund dudes 'working' on or in startups.

They are almost impossible to communicate with on a human level.

[Fumesucker]

375. K&R because I love fanfic!

[SunSeeker]

382. This deserves a K & R for the subthreads alone! LOL

[ismnotwasm]

385. Right?

Amazing.

[backscatter712]

390. Wow, this one turned into a popcorn-fest...

[Marr]

395. Yuck. Talk about straining to take offense.

If he'd circled those things, I expect the writer would've condemned him for that, too. I mean, I've been told right here on DU that men can't be feminists.

These is self defeating idiocy.

[RiffRandell]

399. Did he hold the door for the author of this piece when they walked

into the seminar room?

If he did, well I oughta:

[peacebird]

401. Definition of brogressive....

Brogressive. n. A person who holds progressive viewpoints on changes that benefit themselves, and horribly regressive views on issues which do not affect them.