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"She's a child!" (Original Post) marym625 Oct 2015 OP
And he's an adult, an alleged 'resource officer' who should know better. Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #1
He's a racist whack job. marym625 Oct 2015 #2
How about the TEACHER who called in Officer Slam, and the Hortensis Oct 2015 #5
Amen to that! eom marym625 Oct 2015 #8
+1 million geardaddy Oct 2015 #15
The teacher wasn't the one who called the principal, please, people, read the story!!! adigal Oct 2015 #17
The teacher was well aware of what he had set in motion -- because it was procedure Hortensis Oct 2015 #53
+a bazillion marym625 Oct 2015 #72
This here. Thank you. malokvale77 Oct 2015 #74
I repeat - The teacher didn't call the cop adigal Oct 2015 #120
And, he was "just following orders," right? Hortensis Oct 2015 #127
Yeah but didn't the teacher and principal come out in support of the violent cop's actions? brush Oct 2015 #109
No, I can't defend that either, but that is a different issue altogether nt adigal Oct 2015 #121
you are wrong heaven05 Oct 2015 #130
The kids in that school just walked out today to protest the cops' firing adigal Oct 2015 #171
according to MSNBC heaven05 Oct 2015 #176
I think your subject line has a flaw - but I agree with you DrDan Oct 2015 #138
Exactly what I was thinking.. mountain grammy Oct 2015 #41
+1 Enthusiast Oct 2015 #106
How do you know the teacher supported this action? Or the administrator? Chemisse Oct 2015 #113
Chemisse, unlike you, I do not have the skills to handle kids like this. But Hortensis Oct 2015 #117
You are making huge leaps in logic here adigal Oct 2015 #123
The gap to cross is ideology, Adigal. If you don't see why or how Hortensis Oct 2015 #125
Exactly Chemisse Oct 2015 #128
so heaven05 Oct 2015 #131
For Pete's sake, I never said that. That is just absurd. adigal Oct 2015 #136
very heaven05 Oct 2015 #140
I know for a fact that kids I send to the office are not going to be brutalized. Chemisse Oct 2015 #126
We don't forget that. It's why competent, caring and professional Hortensis Oct 2015 #134
+1000 adigal Oct 2015 #137
Finally, someone with actual experience who makes sense adigal Oct 2015 #122
20-something years here Chemisse Oct 2015 #129
Me, too. 23 years in public schools. I love my students and they love me. adigal Oct 2015 #135
Exactly. Whay are cops held to different standards? nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #96
Police state. marym625 Oct 2015 #142
He's ryan_cats Oct 2015 #10
NOT 18. SIXTEEN. she's a child. Pathwalker Oct 2015 #12
SIXTEEN. she's a child. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #24
A petite 16 year old girl who's behavior didn't warrant Officer Slam! whathehell Oct 2015 #62
A petite 16 year old girl who's behavior didn't warrant Officer Slam! AlbertCat Oct 2015 #63
And ryan_cats Oct 2015 #76
And the invective directed at me, is (a) that blind or is a well reasoned measured response. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #79
I think you're confusing me with someone else whathehell Oct 2015 #90
Lordy this subthread has gotten confusing! AlbertCat Oct 2015 #124
That ryan_cats Oct 2015 #75
True, I don't care how old she was, nobody deserves to be assualted for simply refusing to get out Live and Learn Oct 2015 #98
Yes ryan_cats Oct 2015 #118
What are you going on about? She's 16, not 18 or even 17. brush Oct 2015 #110
Well ryan_cats Oct 2015 #119
It makes her sixteen, and your implication all the more obvious. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #14
If she were 18, he would still have the higher responsibility of acting like an adult. Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #19
she is 16 but even if she was 18 how the fuck is what happened JI7 Oct 2015 #23
LOOK who it is.... tabasco Oct 2015 #25
Thank you. Scuba Oct 2015 #3
Thanks, but it's Cher that said it. marym625 Oct 2015 #4
And it was you, marym625m, who brought it here, and who has brought so much other good to DU. Scuba Oct 2015 #6
Awe. thank you, Scuba marym625 Oct 2015 #9
RACIST AMERICA!! That's why. This would have NEVER happened to a young white girl. Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2015 #7
Absolutely, marym625 Oct 2015 #11
Yep. Iris Oct 2015 #59
I forgot who brought it up, Black kids aren't seen as kids, even when they're 3-year-olds MisterP Oct 2015 #13
Heartbreaking. marym625 Oct 2015 #16
Thanks for the links.. mountain grammy Oct 2015 #55
thank you heaven05 Oct 2015 #165
get the cops out of the the schools tk2kewl Oct 2015 #18
+1 marym625 Oct 2015 #20
we should be treating all of our children with kindness tk2kewl Oct 2015 #21
children growing up in the world today marym625 Oct 2015 #22
Yes. I like that solution. brush Oct 2015 #111
This fuckery runs very deep. Half-Century Man Oct 2015 #26
I would so rec your response alone if I could. Amimnoch Oct 2015 #28
+a bazillion marym625 Oct 2015 #30
added the video marym625 Oct 2015 #45
Absolutely! Spot On! eom LittleGirl Oct 2015 #47
Well Said! EOM The Green Manalishi Oct 2015 #71
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #103
She is a child. This episode has broken Tipperary Oct 2015 #27
I know exactly how you feel. marym625 Oct 2015 #31
It has made me very angry in a way I have Tipperary Oct 2015 #33
I hope he goes to jail where he belongs! marym625 Oct 2015 #36
I do too. I really thought charges would be Tipperary Oct 2015 #43
Hopefully, the ACLU will get involved. marym625 Oct 2015 #46
That sheriff is not only not going to follow up on criminal charges on the violent cop . . . brush Oct 2015 #112
I agree. Tipperary Oct 2015 #147
Not really sure jail will help at all but Live and Learn Oct 2015 #95
sorry but violent crimes against a harmless child is worthy of jail in my book marym625 Oct 2015 #141
mine, too. First, the video of the violence done to that child, 2nd - the image of the young man Iris Oct 2015 #60
Agreed, the guy needs help but first, he and society need to admit he needs it and Live and Learn Oct 2015 #94
Everyone at that school needs to be supported in their efforts to get over Officer Slam fasttense Oct 2015 #29
yes, they do. marym625 Oct 2015 #32
Indeed. n/t Iris Oct 2015 #61
Her mom recently died fadedrose Oct 2015 #34
her grandmother too. marym625 Oct 2015 #38
This child is in foster care. No one will sue for that child. classykaren Oct 2015 #35
I hope you're wrong marym625 Oct 2015 #39
Yea they are. She has an attorney now. leftofcool Oct 2015 #66
That fugging simple malaise Oct 2015 #37
+1 Thank you marym625 Oct 2015 #40
Just saw a picture on TV of him slammin a vet on the concrete while investigating a noise complaint. classykaren Oct 2015 #42
shocking! no charges for violence against a black Veteran. marym625 Oct 2015 #49
What have we come to that this can happen, and it's defended? MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #44
Absolutely! marym625 Oct 2015 #50
This video - cathartic. Iris Oct 2015 #48
I agree with every word out of his mouth. marym625 Oct 2015 #51
Anyway you slice it... MrWendel Oct 2015 #52
so very unfortunately, not just the right wing marym625 Oct 2015 #54
Plenty of right wing on the DU Fumesucker Oct 2015 #114
yep. sadly. marym625 Oct 2015 #143
^this^ Iris Oct 2015 #58
This was inexcusable deafskeptic Oct 2015 #56
it's sickening. marym625 Oct 2015 #57
i love the guy in the video: righteous rant! noiretextatique Oct 2015 #64
And that's exactly what he is marym625 Oct 2015 #67
thanks for posting this noiretextatique Nov 2015 #177
you're welcome. And cool! marym625 Nov 2015 #178
The guy in the video brings up an important point that I had wondered about. freedom fighter jh Oct 2015 #65
Yes, it was an excellent point marym625 Oct 2015 #68
Cops think awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #99
Someone needs to explain to them freedom fighter jh Oct 2015 #100
she is also a child (legally) who has recently lost her mother, and is in foster care. niyad Oct 2015 #69
her grandmother too. marym625 Oct 2015 #73
indeed. niyad Oct 2015 #167
Love Cher. She cuts through the shit. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #70
she does. Decided to follow her because of this tweet. marym625 Oct 2015 #77
Cher kicks ass! Kath1 Oct 2015 #78
I didn't follow her until today with this tweet marym625 Oct 2015 #85
I follow her all of the time now after I saw her anti-Trump rant. Kath1 Oct 2015 #86
she's pretty awesome. n/t marym625 Oct 2015 #139
Cher is a woman, rights activists should admire. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #93
makes me sad to see the other children in class cringing body language Sunlei Oct 2015 #80
I'm glad you mentioned that. marym625 Oct 2015 #144
This is just silly; there are some cases when people have to be put adigal Oct 2015 #172
I am glad Officer Slam got fired. Kalidurga Oct 2015 #81
because we live in a racist, police state. marym625 Oct 2015 #145
That is the only reason I can think of Kalidurga Oct 2015 #169
Abso-fucking-lutely! you know it! marym625 Oct 2015 #174
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #82
Thank you, Willy T! marym625 Oct 2015 #146
There goes marym625, making perfect sense again. merrily Oct 2015 #83
As usual! Kath1 Oct 2015 #87
I know, right? She's seems addicted to it! merrily Oct 2015 #88
marym625 kicks ass! Kath1 Oct 2015 #89
You noticed that too? Count me in this lovefest. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #92
Me too. freedom fighter jh Oct 2015 #101
Thank you! marym625 Oct 2015 #152
I know this OP is in GD, but, freedom fighter jh Oct 2015 #156
Awe, thanks marym625 Oct 2015 #163
Thank you Live and Learn! marym625 Oct 2015 #151
Awe! thank you! marym625 Oct 2015 #149
Thank YOU! Kath1 Oct 2015 #168
ha! Thank you, merrily! marym625 Oct 2015 #148
No! Not sweet. Honest. merrily Oct 2015 #150
just love you, merrily! marym625 Oct 2015 #153
back at you! merrily Oct 2015 #166
KnR! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #84
Thank you, Admiral marym625 Oct 2015 #154
You're one of my favorites, Mary! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #164
Awe, thank you! The feeling is mutual,Admiral! marym625 Oct 2015 #173
She was, at worst, being obnoxious (like teens and early 20's are apt to be). Live and Learn Oct 2015 #91
Absolutely. A felony marym625 Oct 2015 #155
Kick and R BeanMusical Oct 2015 #97
Thanks Bean! marym625 Oct 2015 #157
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #102
Enjoy your short visit. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #107
I hate when I miss those on my posts! marym625 Oct 2015 #158
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #104
I wish someone would make a realistic video marym625 Oct 2015 #159
Mary, we both hate injustice. If only we had superpowers. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #170
oh, what a different world it would be! marym625 Oct 2015 #175
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #105
Holy shit! I like this guy in the video. Are there more with him? brush Oct 2015 #108
Link below - you might not agree with him on everything, but he is interesting to listen to. Lochloosa Oct 2015 #115
Thanks for the link brush Oct 2015 #116
I believe so. search for that name in YouTube marym625 Oct 2015 #160
I AGREE WITH DAVID CHAPMAN EXCEPT I DIDN'T LIKE HOW DISTRACTED drynberg Oct 2015 #132
pretty sure he's in the back seat and someone in the front marym625 Oct 2015 #161
Boom! Mic drop. blackspade Oct 2015 #133
Love it! BOOM! marym625 Oct 2015 #162

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
1. And he's an adult, an alleged 'resource officer' who should know better.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 01:46 PM
Oct 2015

Defiant teens are a PITA but adults who deal with them every day should have better tools for dealing with them. It's now come out that this girl's mother died recently and she is in foster care. I'd like to see how compliant Officer Slambo would have been in her situation.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
2. He's a racist whack job.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 01:50 PM
Oct 2015

If you get a nickname "Officer Slam," you know damn well there's a history of being a psychotic asswipe.

If anyone else, that wasn't a cop, had done this, they would be in jail. These horrible excuses for human beings need to be held to the same standards as the rest of us.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. How about the TEACHER who called in Officer Slam, and the
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:04 PM
Oct 2015

administrator? I wondered about the teacher immediately the first time I saw the videos. BOTH supported Slam's actions and did not feel they were excessive -- apparently SOP in this school district. The firings need to start at the top in the school board and continue right down to include the teacher.

This sort of thing is an excellent example against the "states rights" that the right makes such a principle of -- so that people I wouldn't let babysit my cats could do whatever their so-called conservative ideologies excused without outside interference.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
17. The teacher wasn't the one who called the principal, please, people, read the story!!!
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:37 PM
Oct 2015

The teacher called the principal and the girl wouldn't comply.

The cop was a criminal, and should go to jail for what he did, but let's stop lying about everyone else.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. The teacher was well aware of what he had set in motion -- because it was procedure
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:06 PM
Oct 2015

and had happened other times at this school and others in the district. He knew Officer Slam's reputation, as did everyone else in the school. He also knew that if it progressed that far the girl would likely be arrested and charged as a criminal.

This school district, like South Carolina as a whole, apparently has a long record of various undesirable practices, abuses of students, and failure of duties that are well above national averages, something that simply could not happen without the complicity of a majority of teachers.

I repeat -- the first time I saw that video I started wondering about the teacher. Horrified and shocked? Or complicit? It turned out to be definitely and inexcusably complicit by someone who should have made it his first effort to protect the student from "procedure."

And, Adigal, I really don't appreciate your characterizing the results of my research as lies. I understand that we may have very different standards for the behavior and duties of teachers, and the well-regarded sources I always go to can be wrong, but I did not "lie" and you are out of line.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
72. +a bazillion
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 11:34 PM
Oct 2015

Thank you. And I'm sorry you were subjected to that at all and especially here.

Absolutely the teacher is part of the problem

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
74. This here. Thank you.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 11:54 PM
Oct 2015

There are so many good teachers who have been forced out or left on their own, because of the whole comply or else policy in public schools today.

I hate this shit.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
120. I repeat - The teacher didn't call the cop
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:38 AM
Oct 2015

I'm flummoxed as to why you think I called you a liar? And because the cop is a jerk the girl should be allowed to follow only the rules she likes?? Please.

brush

(53,759 posts)
109. Yeah but didn't the teacher and principal come out in support of the violent cop's actions?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:52 AM
Oct 2015

Can't defend that.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
130. you are wrong
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:08 AM
Oct 2015

period. Find out the history of Slambo, school district, history of race relations in that area and the number of wack job school administrators, teachers and 'resource people' before calling others liars. Misinformed and uninformed calling a person a liar. Great job.... Resources for violence and racism is more like it.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
171. The kids in that school just walked out today to protest the cops' firing
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:10 PM
Oct 2015

A lot of them said he was a good guy. I don't get it, but i also don't get your refusal to understand that there are rules in schools for a reason. It's nuts. Please, come to the world of reality here.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
176. according to MSNBC
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:28 AM
Oct 2015

only about 100 kids took part in the demonstration. And a student, according to a poster on another thread, who was intervied said only 40-50 student showed up to defend this animal. Out of how many total students, 2000?. Percentage wise, very low turnout for a 'mass demonstration'. That's reality. You seem to be orbiting around the bizarro world yourself. Yes there are rules in all schools as it should be. I never said there should not be. Yet you seem intent on taking your stand on rules are to be enforced, no matter what or you would not be so adamant about the enforcement of the rules on this young woman-child. Ummmmmm, I wonder...... Keep rationalizing, you'll come up with a good one yet.....

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
138. I think your subject line has a flaw - but I agree with you
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:14 AM
Oct 2015

to blame the teacher is simply ridiculous. Hard to believe there are some here actually calling for the firing of the teacher.

The teacher was correct in calling the principal if the girl refused to comply with the requests.

mountain grammy

(26,608 posts)
41. Exactly what I was thinking..
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:42 PM
Oct 2015

Americans watch that video and are sickened. The teacher and administrator were in the room and did nothing. Yes, there must be accountability here on every level.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
113. How do you know the teacher supported this action? Or the administrator?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:13 AM
Oct 2015

I have this happen in my high school classroom several times a year. I send a kid to the office for disruptive behaviour, but she or he refuses to budge. I call the administrator, and the child is escorted to the office. (I have never had a student who wouldn't go when the administrator came. It's likely our school resource officer would have been called in to help, but I can guarantee he would not have acted as this man did).

If a cop came in and slammed my student to the floor - and more! - I would be in horror!

Why blame the teacher when the cop is clearly to blame for his own actions?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
117. Chemisse, unlike you, I do not have the skills to handle kids like this. But
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:12 AM
Oct 2015

I do know that how these situations are handled goes directly to the question of what the purposes of schools are and what their duties to their students and communities are.

There are a million definitions of education out there for those of all political and economic viewpoints to choose from. You have whatever yours is. I have a strongly aspirational notion of individual development; of course -- I'm a liberal.

South Carolina's in action is probably more like Scott Walker's when he tried to remove from the state code the terms “search for truth” and “improve the human condition” and replace them with “meet the state’s workforce needs.” But even Scott's soulless fascist purpose is failed by South Carolina's destructive process.

When this unhappy 16-year-old acted out, the school abandoned its higher duties (and I believe they are very high) to begin funneling her, via South Carolina's viciously counterproductive zero-tolerance policy, into the jail system. And on the way this 16-year-old girl was treated not as a child or as a citizen but with the most profound contempt and brutalized in a way that shocked the world. A great deal of documentation shows that this kind of tragedy is SOP in South Carolina and that Black students disproportionately victimized.

As for how I "know" that the teacher and administrator supported Officer Slam's behavior, I did not hear their statements myself but rather heard them reported on PBS. As for blaming the teacher, though -- oh, you bet! The teacher knew not only Officer Slam's reputation, but far more importantly, the destructively punitive and criminalizing process that would be initiated if this girl didn't suddenly decide to obey the administrator.

I really, really meant it when I said those teachers absolutely have a RESPONSIBILITY to both deal constructively with their misbehaving students and to protect them from being ground up in this evil process, and I don't care what the local procedure manual says. This adolescent girl, whose brain is far from adult maturity, was betrayed by those who were responsible for her wellbeing.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
123. You are making huge leaps in logic here
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:45 AM
Oct 2015

Because the teacher called the principal on a non-compliant student, the teacher began funneling the student into the prison system???

Maybe, the teacher wanted the student to give him her cell phone, in compliance with student regulations, and was hoping bringing in the principal would end the situation. The cop wasn't called right away. Stop blaming the teacher for calling the cop in. It's hard to take your argument seriously when you are changing the facts to fit your thesis. And since when are rules optional in high schools? Can you imagine 3000 teens in a school, all of them defying rules they don't like?? Total chaos. And then you would probably blame the teachers for being ineffective.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
125. The gap to cross is ideology, Adigal. If you don't see why or how
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:52 AM
Oct 2015

to get where I'm coming from, oh, well. That's what makes the world go stumbling around, right?

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
128. Exactly
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:57 AM
Oct 2015

People forget about the need for rules to be enforced in a school.

Nobody would learn anything if the students did whatever they felt like.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
131. so
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:18 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:59 PM - Edit history (1)

this already emotionally challenged child should have been slammed to the ground, dragged and thrown across the room, in your book, that is. Right? It is called racist abuse, what happened to this emotionally damaged "child" and what she suffered at the hands of this animal. And you, defending the actions of all 'adults' in this situation, leads me to a lot of questions about your logic and compassion for this child.

If 30, 300 or 3000 teens were emotionally challenged as this child was and is, even more terribly now, then they have to be treated with compassion and restraint no matter how an adult might feel about "non-compliance" to their 'demands'. Looks like the slave master dealing with an unruly slave mentality at play here. PERIOD. Lucky she is still alive.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
136. For Pete's sake, I never said that. That is just absurd.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:52 AM
Oct 2015

The cop was criminal. He should go to jail for what he did. But the young lady was out of line, also. How hard is it to follow that logic?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
140. very
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:57 PM
Oct 2015

with the caveats present in this particular situation, very very difficult to follow your logic, therefore I'm finished trying. Impossible task.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
126. I know for a fact that kids I send to the office are not going to be brutalized.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:52 AM
Oct 2015

You forget that there are other students in the classroom who have a right to an education. Perhaps not in the case of this girl, but in most cases where a student is sent out, that student is disrupting class in some way.

When he or she does that, they are impeding learning and, very often, creating an environment in which the other students don't feel safe.

If you had a child in school who complained of a constant uproar in class due to the behavior of one or two students, I am confident you would lobby to have that child taken out of the class when he is disruptive. Any good parent is going to be upset if their child is constantly distracted or even frightened.

We have a school resource officer too, who has served this purpose on occasion (although not for any of my students). He is a kind man, has a good rapport with the kids, and mostly, he would never hurl a child across the room.

In this case, the teacher did what she was supposed to do, and the administrator did his job, as defined by the school's apparent policy to have a resource officer available for such incidents. It is the cop who came in ready for battle. He alone is at fault.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
134. We don't forget that. It's why competent, caring and professional
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:50 AM
Oct 2015

educators deserve much higher pay and lot more respect than they usually get.

I never assumed what happens in this SC district happens in yours; it is very, very bad. That said, I do wonder at excuses being made here for inexcusable behaviors.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
122. Finally, someone with actual experience who makes sense
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:40 AM
Oct 2015

In my 22 years of public school teaching, I have had the same exact experiences as you have. Students have never refused to comply once the administrator comes in. We don't have to call the police.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
129. 20-something years here
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:02 AM
Oct 2015

I've gotten to the point I don't even keep track anymore - lol.

I love it though. I teach chemistry, which can be pretty fun. I have a lot of latitude with my lower-level/less motivated classes, and really enjoy making learning fun for them. For some of the more difficult kids, it can be the highlight of their day.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
135. Me, too. 23 years in public schools. I love my students and they love me.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:50 AM
Oct 2015

But to hear people here, the fact that I am the boss in my classroom makes me Mussolini.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
10. He's
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:12 PM
Oct 2015

He's most definitely an adult.

I read that she's 18, what does that make her?

It makes him a bully and unemployed which should only be a start.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
24. SIXTEEN. she's a child.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:54 PM
Oct 2015

That makes her a teenager..... not a child.


But being a teenager makes it even worse. Children act better than teens. Officer Friendly should have known better. Take a Klonopin, dude!

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
63. A petite 16 year old girl who's behavior didn't warrant Officer Slam!
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 07:07 PM
Oct 2015

I think that's why I typed:

"Officer Friendly should have known better. Take a Klonopin, dude!"

But don't let that stop your blind outrage at me.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
76. And
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 11:57 PM
Oct 2015

And the invective directed at me, is that blind or is a well reasoned measured response.

Wait, she was petite, I was wrong. Is that reverse fat shaming?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
79. And the invective directed at me, is (a) that blind or is a well reasoned measured response.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:08 AM
Oct 2015

I dunno. This is the 1st time I've ever responded to you.

Who directed invectives at you?

whathehell

(29,050 posts)
90. I think you're confusing me with someone else
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 02:07 AM
Oct 2015

The post to which you responded was my first on this thread -- I don't have any "blind outrage" at you.






 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
124. Lordy this subthread has gotten confusing!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:50 AM
Oct 2015

I'm sure we can all agree that "Officer Friendly" (my snarky name for that fool) acted ridiculously, and unbelievably inappropriately.

I was just thinking that if he's gonna be in a Middle School, he should take note of who he is dealing with. Teenagers act more irrationally, and belligerent, than a child, IMHO, and he should have been prepared for that. For instance, it shouldn't matter if the girl hit him or not. (now if she had had some kind of weapon.... but she didn't)

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
75. That
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 11:54 PM
Oct 2015

That must be why I prefaced my comment with, "I read..."

When exactly does a person pass from being a child to an adult responsible for their actions? Do keep in mind that I was once sixteen.

Is the magic day the 335th day of their 17th year, the day after they turn 18? This hyperventilating that she was a child (I'm sure when people say it out loud there's reverb) means nothing. Unless we accept the premise that no "child" ever did anything wrong.

I'm not minimizing the SRO actions, he is a bully, even if she was 18 (assuming 18 is an adequate measure of when a person becomes an adult and no longer a "child&quot , she or no one else deserves the beat down she received. She was treated like she pulled a gun and officer friendly was stopping a mass shooting.





Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
98. True, I don't care how old she was, nobody deserves to be assualted for simply refusing to get out
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:03 AM
Oct 2015

of a chair. There is no excuse for this behavior and the officer obviously has anger management problems and shouldn't be allowed in any kind of power position in his condition.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
118. Yes
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:06 AM
Oct 2015

Exactly.
The bully cop would still be a bully if he did this in college to a football player. The relevant issue would be what the student did to merit such a response. The worse thing that could be said was the student was using passive resistance. Pages could be written about how administrators put teachers in the box and then also allow only one response which seems to be the death penalty. Way to teach by example.

brush

(53,759 posts)
110. What are you going on about? She's 16, not 18 or even 17.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:00 AM
Oct 2015

If you have kids you know a 16-year-old is still a child.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
119. Well
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:10 AM
Oct 2015

Well, I don't have kids as they are too needy. Always wanting food, attention and love, I don't have time for that.

I was however, 16 once and I assure you, I was quite capable of adult crimes like this child was. That is if we accept that the horrible crime of texting or using a cell phone in class deserves a death penalty response. Does the PTA still exist and do parents know this level of discipline seems to be the norm?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. It makes her sixteen, and your implication all the more obvious.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:33 PM
Oct 2015

"I read that she's 18, what does that make her?"

It makes her sixteen, and your implication all the more obvious. Though were it me, I'd quickly rationalize it as something else lest my bias become too clear...

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
19. If she were 18, he would still have the higher responsibility of acting like an adult.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:40 PM
Oct 2015

Why? She's a student. He's an authority figure in a school, which by design requires that he be a role model for the students.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
23. she is 16 but even if she was 18 how the fuck is what happened
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:54 PM
Oct 2015

On that video in any way ok ?

I wish it didn't take so long to ban trolls

marym625

(17,997 posts)
4. Thanks, but it's Cher that said it.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:01 PM
Oct 2015

Using celebrity to call out wrongs is the best thing they can do with the power they wield. Is wish more of them would.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
6. And it was you, marym625m, who brought it here, and who has brought so much other good to DU.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:05 PM
Oct 2015

Thank you for this, and all you do.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
11. Absolutely,
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:13 PM
Oct 2015

And if it did, and the cop was a black man, the idiots excusing it would be calling for a lynching

marym625

(17,997 posts)
16. Heartbreaking.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:36 PM
Oct 2015

Just despicable, inexcusable, horrible and heartbreaking. Must be fought at every level. Always.

Thank you for all the links!

mountain grammy

(26,608 posts)
55. Thanks for the links..
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:12 PM
Oct 2015

The important and conclusive studies in this area must be used to change policies in America. This is completely fixable, from birth to adulthood, and must be addressed at every level of our society.

The Washington Post opinion was infuriating and sad. Killing black American children has been accepted by a system that blames the victim.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
22. children growing up in the world today
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:53 PM
Oct 2015

Are in just a horrible place. Our schools have become low security prisons. I can't imagine what that does to your psyche

brush

(53,759 posts)
111. Yes. I like that solution.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:06 AM
Oct 2015

It's almost a no-brainer. Dealing with trouble individuals is what social workers do. Whoever thought of the cops in the schools should have been told to come back with better idea.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
26. This fuckery runs very deep.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:57 PM
Oct 2015

Slam was the one responsible for her safety at school. He criminally assaulted her. The one trained and paid to protect her brutally assaulted her. He caused direct and possibly lasting physical injuries. By going straight to a blunt force response to what quite bluntly is typical teenage behavior, he degraded her from person to immanent threat. That injury will last far longer than it will take her damaged body to heal.

In addition to the obvious victim; how many of the other students will.ever trust the police again. How many will suffer harm later in life cause Officer Fuckwit taught them the cops are.a bigger problem that the meth dealer on the corner.

To find he has a long history of excessive force is an indictment of the school system, the county government, and the police union themselves. The man is a serial abuser, an overt threat to his community he has taken an oath to defend and protect. He needs incarceration, not unemployment.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
45. added the video
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:57 PM
Oct 2015

The first thing I said about that cop when I saw the video was, he's on steroids. I posted over a year ago that I believe many of these violent cops are taking steroids. You combine that with impunity and racism and this is what you get

Response to Half-Century Man (Reply #26)

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
27. She is a child. This episode has broken
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:00 PM
Oct 2015

my heart. I am in no way a violent person but I truly think I could kick that cretin cop right where it hurts.

I am against any sort of internet bullying but I would happily join in to heap scorn and ridicule on that bully.

I am not proud of these thoughts.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
31. I know exactly how you feel.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:28 PM
Oct 2015

I have changed since all this horrific behavior has come to light. And not in a good way.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
33. It has made me very angry in a way I have
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:34 PM
Oct 2015

not been in years. I just hope someone keeps tabs on where this criminal ends up. I hope he cannot find work in law enforcement ever again.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
43. I do too. I really thought charges would be
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:43 PM
Oct 2015

forthcoming. But when I listened to that sheriff it was obvious to me that he had no intention of following through.

She has no family apparently. I don't trust her legal representation because I don't think her best interests are in his mind.

I hope she's not going to be abused all over again.

brush

(53,759 posts)
112. That sheriff is not only not going to follow up on criminal charges on the violent cop . . .
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:12 AM
Oct 2015

it's evident from how he kept blaming the 16-year-old girl for getting the shit beat out of her by his officer, that he's going to make sure the criminal charges stick against her.

And the other student who spoke out to defend her and was then also arrested by "Officer Slam".

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
95. Not really sure jail will help at all but
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 02:56 AM
Oct 2015

he sure doesn't need to be in any positions of power over others and he does need some anger management help. Oh yeah, and he does need to pay the school (or whoever has to payout) at least a portion of the penalties they will incur for his actions.

I just don't think jail is a very practical solution for anyone in general. It should only be used (like war) as a last resort when we have no other solutions and the person is a real danger to society and then only for as long as he/she really is a danger. How all of that can really be determined is still a question.

Iris

(15,652 posts)
60. mine, too. First, the video of the violence done to that child, 2nd - the image of the young man
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:20 PM
Oct 2015

in the red shirt clearly wishing it would all go away, 3rd - the callous reactions on social media by people I considered to be decent people.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
94. Agreed, the guy needs help but first, he and society need to admit he needs it and
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 02:49 AM
Oct 2015

see that he gets it. He definitely doesn't need to be in power of other people.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
29. Everyone at that school needs to be supported in their efforts to get over Officer Slam
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:02 PM
Oct 2015

Seems he was free to go around abusing (Yes abusing, there is NO reason to slam girls to the floor.) girls and probably boys too. If not for the recorded abuse of this orphan, Officer Slam would have still been abusing anyone he wished. He must have been a daily terror to have to deal with. The parents and faculty need to get together and bring out the abuse. They need to get together and support each other as the damage is revealed.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
34. Her mom recently died
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:36 PM
Oct 2015

don't know cause - foster mother says the girl is having problems because of it...

I heard this on TV, probably CNN, not sure.

But it makes her treatment seem so much more heartless....

marym625

(17,997 posts)
38. her grandmother too.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:39 PM
Oct 2015

This kid is going to need professional help if she is ever going to trust anyone again

classykaren

(769 posts)
42. Just saw a picture on TV of him slammin a vet on the concrete while investigating a noise complaint.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:42 PM
Oct 2015

The vet was a Black man. He filed a complaint but charges were dismissed.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
49. shocking! no charges for violence against a black Veteran.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:01 PM
Oct 2015

Fuck this bullshit. Just fuck it. If the powers that be don't do something aoon, vigilante "justice" is going to start. And that's just as scary. People will only take so much

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
52. Anyway you slice it...
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:05 PM
Oct 2015

She got ragdolled by a much larger man. There is no defending that despite the lack of effort from the right wing.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
114. Plenty of right wing on the DU
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:21 AM
Oct 2015

Has been for years, sometimes it feels like there are more right wingers than not here.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
143. yep. sadly.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 02:43 PM
Oct 2015

And third-wayers might as well be republicans. The whole point was to move the Democratic party away from being Democrats. Hence the "third way"

deafskeptic

(463 posts)
56. This was inexcusable
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:15 PM
Oct 2015

I don't care how old the young woman is. She should not have been brutally manhandled by Officer Slam. I was horrified when I saw that video. The only excuse for this kind of behavior is if the officer is about to get shot down. The young woman was in no way attacking him. That video made me gasp at the brutality of this action.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
57. it's sickening.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:17 PM
Oct 2015

And justification of it is just as wrong. Disgusting

We can't allow this to continue

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
177. thanks for posting this
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:03 PM
Nov 2015
it reminded me to not judge people. i fully expected that righteous man to support the asshole i was happy to be wrong.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
65. The guy in the video brings up an important point that I had wondered about.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 08:25 PM
Oct 2015

Even if she weren't a child, the cop's behavior should be enough to get him into jail. When are cops authorized to use force? Isn't that only if someone has violated a law? She was sitting at her desk, refusing to move or stop using her cell phone, possibly disrupting class. Problematic behavior? Yes. A crime? What was the cop's legal authority? Even if he somehow did have authority to use force, the force he used was way beyond what was necessary. It was assault.

It may be that much worse because she's a child, but the cop's behavior seems to me to criminal even aside from the victim's youth.

I wonder how the guy in the video drives with his hands off the wheel and his attention 95% on the camera?

marym625

(17,997 posts)
68. Yes, it was an excellent point
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 09:09 PM
Oct 2015

As far as his driving, I think he's in the back seat and someone in the front passenger seat is filming.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
100. Someone needs to explain to them
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:00 AM
Oct 2015

how the system is supposed to work and the role they are supposed to play in it.

Then someone who outranks them needs to enforce on them.

They behave as if they are above the law because they are treated that way. They are treated that way because they don't get convicted when they do break the law. They don't get convicted because they are part of the system. There needs to be a separate system of justice for cops, so that their buddies are not the ones prosecuting them.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
73. her grandmother too.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 11:36 PM
Oct 2015

That's why she's in foster care.

There's no way the teacher and principal didn't know that.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
86. I follow her all of the time now after I saw her anti-Trump rant.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:04 AM
Oct 2015

Always opinionated, always entertaining, and she has knack for speaking the truth in a few words. I love her.

And this is one cool video...

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
93. Cher is a woman, rights activists should admire.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 02:47 AM
Oct 2015

She has really been through it all and helped strengthen women's rights by showing her strength. I really admire her.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
80. makes me sad to see the other children in class cringing body language
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:26 AM
Oct 2015

American citizens need a Federal law banning police groundings. It's become commonplace for police to slam people to the ground, harder the better.

If the Federal Gov. doesn't want to outright ban police slam tactic, then require a total body MRI for every person slammed.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
144. I'm glad you mentioned that.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 02:52 PM
Oct 2015

I saw it too. It's obvious that kids that protested this kind of abuse in the past have paid a heavy price.

No excuse.

Not a bad idea, the MRI. I would add steroid testing on the cops as well

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
172. This is just silly; there are some cases when people have to be put
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:16 PM
Oct 2015

on the ground. Like when they are trying to shoot your child.

Sheesh.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
169. That is the only reason I can think of
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:23 PM
Oct 2015

if the races were reversed whooo boy the Right Whingers would be calling for his head.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
91. She was, at worst, being obnoxious (like teens and early 20's are apt to be).
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 02:43 AM
Oct 2015

He assaulted her in a moment of anger (as those in power are apt to do).

One of those acts is a felony.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
155. Absolutely. A felony
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:06 PM
Oct 2015

From what I've seen and read, this wasn't necessarily anger. Just a cop hopped up on steroids. Normal for him. Which is even worse imho.

The kid needs love, not violence

Response to marym625 (Original post)

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
104. Kicked and recommended to the Max!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:29 AM
Oct 2015

I agree with the David Champion Media guy. The copster® is obviously on steroids. Cops on steroids are unfit for duty.

Just imagine if a black officer had done that to a white girl student. All these loudmouths defending the officer would suddenly take the opposite position.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
159. I wish someone would make a realistic video
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:11 PM
Oct 2015

Showing exactly that. All fake of course. But a black cop doing that to a white girl. Then, after the racists finish being racist about it, saying exactly the opposite of what they're saying about this, bust them all for their horrific behavior.

Thank you!!!

Response to marym625 (Original post)

brush

(53,759 posts)
116. Thanks for the link
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:05 AM
Oct 2015

You're right. He's a different guy — against police brutality and anti-muslim bigotry but also against gun regulation.

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
132. I AGREE WITH DAVID CHAPMAN EXCEPT I DIDN'T LIKE HOW DISTRACTED
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:31 AM
Oct 2015

He was while driving, I would have enjoyed him pulling over while he was speaking.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
161. pretty sure he's in the back seat and someone in the front
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:14 PM
Oct 2015

Passenger side is taking the video.

Great rant he gave!

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