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https://davechampionsliberty.com/2015/10/new-info-on-south-carolina-beatdown/Lest people imagine her condition makes her violent or disruptive, in fact its just the opposite. The family tells me that by natural temperament she is a very quiet girl and her meds make her even more so. In fact, they tell me that even around family it takes effort to get her to engage in even a small bit of conversation.
This dovetails with the factual account of what happened in the classroom. While defenders of her being violently attacked claim she was disruptive in the classroom, thats not accurate. The teachers initial issue was that the girl was not participating in the class. That description appears to be based on the girl looking at her phone, which is against school policy. That makes perfect sense for a quiet introspective teenage girl with mental health issues and who is taking meds that, according to her family, make her even more quiet.
Despite the school knowing about her condition, she was told to leave the class and go to a discipline room. Thats the equivalent of what was known as detention in my day. The girl declined to follow those instructions, saying shed only glanced at her phone for a second. The teacher then summoned an administrator who repeated the instructions. Again the girl declined. So far there is no error by the school. They were simply giving the student an instruction. But what happened next is a MONUMENTAL error. Knowing her mental health issues they then called in a thug in uniform known to the students as Officer Slam or The Slammer. And how do you think he got that nickname? The answer is pretty obvious; slamming people to the ground is his trademark. Its what he does when a student is uncooperative. Talk about a man who should not be working around teens. Talk about sending the worst message possible to young people! And of course the rest youve seen in the videos of the deputys violent attack on the girl.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)They and their owners are allowed to know everything about us -- we "participants" in this "democracy" aren't allowed to know anything in return.
Kablooie
(18,625 posts)The only reason they fired him would be because they were exposed.
It seems that the officer is not the only person who should be fired.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I think someone has some explaining to do!
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)Well, that makes it worse if that was even possible. Next thing we'll hear is that the SRO is a coach or something.
Who is trained to beat up the disabled students?
niyad
(113,232 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)if I am not mistaken the sheriff is black and has a brain.
I know that teacher's colleges have classes that teach how to understand and deal with mental health issues but it does not seem that either the teacher or the administrators in this classroom had any of this training.
Given the condition she had when she walked into that class imagine how she is feeling now.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)was black and I assumed since he was telling us what was going on that he was the sheriff. Sorry.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Natural mistake.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)wilsonbooks
(972 posts)lpbk2713
(42,751 posts)Someone at the school board or in foster care put her in a situation she was obviously not prepared for and one that could (and did) lead to her being harmed and they should be held accountable for their decision.
Omaha Steve
(99,573 posts)K&R!
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madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)petrified of what was happening. She was probably terrified of the teacher, also. This really makes the school very culpable for what happened. They KNEW her condition and yet let this happen.
Just to add, this country has a long ways to go to teaching people what exactly mental health issue are and how to deal with them.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)for weeks now, other than to mock them.
niyad
(113,232 posts)what in the HELL in that list is a reason to call in "officer slam"? both the teacher and the admin need to lose their jobs, as well. and sued into the ground.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Jeeze, that is one serious effed up situation. The poor girl had nobody looking out for her welfare and all the odds were stacked against her.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)But...seriously, what if a student is waiting for a serious message from say family dealing with a dying parent or something. What if they do glance quickly at a text message and then put it away because it's not "important" enough to break the class rule over?
Why would a teacher react to that in such a harsh way as to kick a new student out of class? Why not just reiterate the rule and say "no looking at your phone"...period.
How many other students in that classroom look at their text messages, and get away with it because they are in the back of the classroom?
Why this crack down on kids with such severity? And to let it escalate to bringing in a resource officer to handle it when a student has a known mental health issue? Maybe this particular teacher had not been informed, but I wouldn't crack down so hard on such a minor slight...I'd call the student on it and reiterate the rule and then get back to the damned lesson.
I just don't understand why anyone needs to be so hardassed. The girl was NOT disrupting the class. She did break a rule by reading a text message (or at least looking to see who it was from)...but it was her first incident in that class room, right?
I think some teachers are just too in love with authority...or maybe this was a school that had a lot of discipline problems with students acting up? I don't know...maybe we don't know enough about what triggered this teacher to respond this way, but I think it was handled wrong from the very beginning.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)his on him at all times bc of my health issues & him essentially being my emergency contact. Most kid's have their phones on them anyways but this way i don't have to jump through hoops if i need him immediately.
I think this school failed this student from the get go.
nilram
(2,886 posts)legal expense, etc...
https://www.gofundme.com/7w7h7cvw
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)You're right - when has anyone ever opened fire in a school?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)we would never have heard about this.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)for one. Not to mention it would jam all cell phones which is a huge issue in itself.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Then they'd be available if genuinely needed, but not distracting from the purpose of being in a classroom in the first place. Something like this:
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I would question whether she should have been in class at all.
I would question whether she should have been in class so soon after he mother's passing. That does tend to put anyone, even a mature, healthy person, off her mark.
That cop should never have been assigned to duty at a school. I don't know if he was a good or bad cop otherwise, but that was a place he surely should not have been. Was he informed about the young lady's problems? Was the teacher?
This young lady needs extra special care. It is clear that more than one adult failed her.
niyad
(113,232 posts)before. definitely a guy with some serious anger-management and racial bias issues. the school admin, etc., have certainly failed her, and who knows how many others. I think an investigation needs to be made into that entire district.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)So let's say I'm not exactly confident that he's going to suffer much.
niyad
(113,232 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)niyad
(113,232 posts)mercuryblues
(14,530 posts)a cop for 10 yrs
1 lawsuit was the exact same scenario. A medic coming home from work on base, nodded a greeting to officer slam. He pulled over and confronted the guy. Wanting to know if the noise complaint was about him. The medic said something like No dude and officer slam lost his shit. Body slammed him and started pepper spraying him. He emptied the entice can of pepper spray on him. Meanwhile his wife came out to see what the commotion was and started taking pictures. She also got arrested and her phone was confiscated. When she got her phone back, the pictures were deleted. Officer slam won the case because it was his word against theirs.
2 lawsuit against officer slam was accused by a woman of battery and violating her civil rights during an arrest. The case was dismissed.
3rd lawsuit - pending. There was a fight off school grounds. Officer slam was not there but took over the investigation a month later. He accused a student of being involved in the fight and being a member of a gang. The student was expelled on Fields word alone. Fields claims that he has affidavits from 4 students, claiming the kid was in a gang, but refuses to hand them over. He also claims the kid told him he was in a gang. the kid claims he was never interviewed by Fields. He was the only one that was expelled, when there were over 30 students involved in the fight.
4th lawsuit will be filed soon.
The kids call him officer slam because he is know for slamming kids around when they don't obey fast enough. Even a pregnant woman. They complain, nothing gets done. It finally got caught on video<----that shocked the student more than his abuse.
I would say he should have been fired after the 1st lawsuit. Instead the police force covered up for him. Onto the Sheriff. He is being applauded for firing hem so quickly. Lott only fires his cops when a video go viral. Google off-duty cop arrests soldier at Buffalo Wild Wings.
ZX86
(1,428 posts)How many times do we have to read about a non-violent deaf person, mentally disabled person, or a person for whatever reason cannot comply to a cop's instructions get pummeled? Any person in authority knows or should know, the best way to approach a person who is disruptive or uncooperative is to first show concern. It's the moral thing to do and it de-escalates the situation in most cases. The sadistic prison guard approach to every incident, even children is horrifying.
This poor girl.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Put Officer Slam in the Slammer.
Only thing that makes sense.
The girl was not resisting.
She was assaulted.
Obviously.
How about attempted murder?
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)A schizophrenia diagnosis is akin to a cancer diagnosis in terms of life expectancy from diagnosis. Incidents like this explain why.
Very sad. We are still in the dark ages when it comes to handling mental illness.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I did not know that. </johnny-carson> I work with people with disabilities, including psychiatric ones
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edit: But the beatdown victim has schizoaffective disorder, which is not quite the same thing as full-blown schizophrenia.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)http://psychcentral.com/lib/premature-death-rates-rising-in-schizophrenia-bipolar-patients/
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)violent. I do NOT understand why this creature (the cop) is not facing charges. This has upset me so much and this only makes me more upset. Is there no one in that school system, social services system, foster care system who will step up to make an example of this to ensure it can NEVER happen again to any other innocent victim?
niyad
(113,232 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)in the world. I cannot forget that cop's words to her, "Are you gonna get up or am I gonna have to make you?"
Who says that to a child?
niyad
(113,232 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)picking up a child and throwing her across a room. If this "lawyer" who is representing her supposedly wanted to do anything - he should do everything to press charges against that despicable pathetic excuse for a human being.
niyad
(113,232 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)the only one with the guts to stand up for her. That is the very least they could do.
niyad
(113,232 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I really am not understanding why they have not done that. And what was with the kids protesting the deputy's firing? I have to admit, I have not delved into that story because I know it will make me angry.
niyad
(113,232 posts)same mentality that led to the protests over paterno being fired.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)do we know this guy was on steroid, although I think that would explain a lot about the rash of cop violence having known someone on steroid use.
I am also hearing that the girl was in foster home but her mother was still alive.
where can we find facts of thsi case
On and that sheriff can stuff it that the girl has to take responsibility for her actions causing this whole problem. who is the adult in the room? apparently there was not one.
Blus4u
(608 posts)They are hiding in the bushes on this one.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Figures they'd hide scum like that.