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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:17 PM Oct 2015

NEW INFO on South Carolina beatdown!

https://davechampionsliberty.com/2015/10/new-info-on-south-carolina-beatdown/

It turns out that the victim has some mental health issues. She’s schizophrenic and bi-polar. When a person is diagnosed with both, it’s called schizoaffective disorder. The victim had been in treatment and was determined to have reached a point where she could attend public school. As you can imagine, a person with schizoaffective disorder isn’t going to act like everyone else at all times. But more importantly, the school was well aware of her medical issues. If there is one guy you don’t want to send to deal with a teenage girl with mental issues, it would be an aggressive angry cop on steroids.

Lest people imagine her condition makes her violent or disruptive, in fact it’s just the opposite. The family tells me that by natural temperament she is a very quiet girl and her meds make her even more so. In fact, they tell me that even around family it takes effort to get her to engage in even a small bit of conversation.

This dovetails with the factual account of what happened in the classroom. While defenders of her being violently attacked claim she was “disruptive” in the classroom, that’s not accurate. The teacher’s initial issue was that the girl was not participating in the class. That description appears to be based on the girl looking at her phone, which is against school policy. That makes perfect sense for a quiet introspective teenage girl with mental health issues and who is taking meds that, according to her family, make her even more quiet.

Despite the school knowing about her condition, she was told to leave the class and go to a “discipline room”. That’s the equivalent of what was known as “detention” in my day. The girl declined to follow those instructions, saying she’d only glanced at her phone for a second. The teacher then summoned an administrator who repeated the instructions. Again the girl declined. So far there is no error by the school. They were simply giving the student an instruction. But what happened next is a MONUMENTAL error. Knowing her mental health issues they then called in a thug in uniform – known to the students as “Officer Slam” or “The Slammer”. And how do you think he got that nickname? The answer is pretty obvious; slamming people to the ground is his trademark. It’s what he does when a student is uncooperative. Talk about a man who should not be working around teens. Talk about sending the worst message possible to young people! And of course the rest you’ve seen in the videos of the deputy’s violent attack on the girl.
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NEW INFO on South Carolina beatdown! (Original Post) KamaAina Oct 2015 OP
I wonder when they are going to release info on the cop's obvious mental health & medication issues. uppityperson Oct 2015 #1
You mean lack of treatment, or lack of treatment adherence, I presume. HuckleB Oct 2015 #4
armed thugs in color of uniform for the state are a protected class in our "democracy" villager Oct 2015 #53
So officer slam was using approved techniques that the school condoned before. Kablooie Oct 2015 #2
A man that takes pleasure out of hurting teens, officer "slam". Rex Oct 2015 #3
Well... ryan_cats Oct 2015 #5
football coach. niyad Oct 2015 #12
Double dipping on the pension plan huh. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #27
Yes, I also think that the only reason that he is fired is that jwirr Oct 2015 #14
Hmmm... kristopher Oct 2015 #16
Okay, one of the people I saw speaking for the department jwirr Oct 2015 #33
That was the second in command who had the reins while sheriff was out of town kristopher Oct 2015 #36
Thank you. jwirr Oct 2015 #37
If it wasn't a federal case before, it is now. rug Oct 2015 #6
They asked the Justice Dept in immediately as lead agency. nt kristopher Oct 2015 #17
Good. Now besides the civil rights violations they have the federal disability statutes. rug Oct 2015 #35
The teacher and administrator are equally guilty in this tragedy. wilsonbooks Oct 2015 #7
Someone in a position of authority put her in a dangerous situation. lpbk2713 Oct 2015 #8
Thanks for posting Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #9
Damn. After reading that, what happened makes sense. She was terrified of the officer and was madinmaryland Oct 2015 #10
Nice post, Jerrah! KamaAina Oct 2015 #13
Hey Jed! How's Tat-boy working out!!! madinmaryland Oct 2015 #26
I haven't posted about the Santa Clara Seveners (a square root of their former selves) KamaAina Oct 2015 #38
so, let us see--black female child (legally), mental health issues, orphan in foster care, on meds. niyad Oct 2015 #11
+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #19
Agreed! This was beyond a deriliction of duty. Feeling the Bern Oct 2015 #31
I can understand a classroom policy of no phones passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #15
My oldest son got a waiver from the school saying he could keep giftedgirl77 Oct 2015 #29
There's a GoFundMe campaign to help her with medical expenses nilram Oct 2015 #18
$38,348.00 raised as of this post. n/t Adsos Letter Oct 2015 #32
why dont schools jam phones? larkrake Oct 2015 #20
Because it's illegal? KamaAina Oct 2015 #21
What a great idea, if someone starts shooting. bullwinkle428 Oct 2015 #28
Had it not been for another phone in the room taking pics jwirr Oct 2015 #34
Maybe bc sometimes there's a legitimate reason to have them giftedgirl77 Oct 2015 #30
Simply requiring students to put them in storage in the classroom would be plenty. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #42
Subthread win! KamaAina Oct 2015 #48
Without having all the facts, one cannot escape the conclusion that a number of things went wrong Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #22
officer slam will be on trial in jan for similar problems, and has faced suits and charges niyad Oct 2015 #41
But it's Texas and he's also the football coach. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #43
no, it is south carolina niyad Oct 2015 #44
Ah, right...need more coffee! Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #49
here: niyad Oct 2015 #50
he has been mercuryblues Oct 2015 #64
Cop culture has got to change. ZX86 Oct 2015 #23
Everything About This Makes Me Sick Yallow Oct 2015 #24
Agree with all your post 100%. SoapBox Oct 2015 #25
I don't care if she was free of such problems, she's a child for god's sake and deserves better. Scuba Oct 2015 #39
Yes, you said it. Perfectly. Tipperary Oct 2015 #46
I recall reading that schizophrenics have a 5 year survival rate comparable to cancer patients. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #40
That's news I can use. KamaAina Oct 2015 #47
Yes and it's getting worse. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #63
I could tell just watching that video that the poor child was not well and she sure as hell was not Tipperary Oct 2015 #45
and don't forget that she also recently lost her mother. niyad Oct 2015 #51
I know, There is no mention of a father or any siblings. I feel that this child is completely alone Tipperary Oct 2015 #52
a rage-and-hate-filled jerk? niyad Oct 2015 #55
I think he is a monster. Truly. I cannot imagine in my angriest moment Tipperary Oct 2015 #56
I agree. why that bastard is not in jail is beyond me. niyad Oct 2015 #57
I also wonder if they will drop the charges against her and the other young woman who was Tipperary Oct 2015 #59
well, that, expunge their records, and return the bail money, and issue public apologies niyad Oct 2015 #60
Yes, at the very least. I agree. Tipperary Oct 2015 #61
had not heard about anybody protesting that abusive asshole being fired. probably the niyad Nov 2015 #65
I m getting confused - hollysmom Oct 2015 #54
I haven't seen ANY comment from a school official. Blus4u Oct 2015 #58
The Bushes? KamaAina Oct 2015 #62
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
53. armed thugs in color of uniform for the state are a protected class in our "democracy"
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:33 PM
Oct 2015

They and their owners are allowed to know everything about us -- we "participants" in this "democracy" aren't allowed to know anything in return.

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
2. So officer slam was using approved techniques that the school condoned before.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:45 PM
Oct 2015

The only reason they fired him would be because they were exposed.
It seems that the officer is not the only person who should be fired.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. A man that takes pleasure out of hurting teens, officer "slam".
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:50 PM
Oct 2015

I think someone has some explaining to do!

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
5. Well...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:05 PM
Oct 2015

Well, that makes it worse if that was even possible. Next thing we'll hear is that the SRO is a coach or something.

Who is trained to beat up the disabled students?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. Yes, I also think that the only reason that he is fired is that
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:11 PM
Oct 2015

if I am not mistaken the sheriff is black and has a brain.

I know that teacher's colleges have classes that teach how to understand and deal with mental health issues but it does not seem that either the teacher or the administrators in this classroom had any of this training.

Given the condition she had when she walked into that class imagine how she is feeling now.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
33. Okay, one of the people I saw speaking for the department
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:06 PM
Oct 2015

was black and I assumed since he was telling us what was going on that he was the sheriff. Sorry.

lpbk2713

(42,751 posts)
8. Someone in a position of authority put her in a dangerous situation.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:35 PM
Oct 2015



Someone at the school board or in foster care put her in a situation she was obviously not prepared for and one that could (and did) lead to her being harmed and they should be held accountable for their decision.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
10. Damn. After reading that, what happened makes sense. She was terrified of the officer and was
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:05 PM
Oct 2015

petrified of what was happening. She was probably terrified of the teacher, also. This really makes the school very culpable for what happened. They KNEW her condition and yet let this happen.



Just to add, this country has a long ways to go to teaching people what exactly mental health issue are and how to deal with them.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
38. I haven't posted about the Santa Clara Seveners (a square root of their former selves)
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:52 PM
Oct 2015

for weeks now, other than to mock them.

niyad

(113,232 posts)
11. so, let us see--black female child (legally), mental health issues, orphan in foster care, on meds.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:06 PM
Oct 2015

what in the HELL in that list is a reason to call in "officer slam"? both the teacher and the admin need to lose their jobs, as well. and sued into the ground.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
19. +1000
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:26 PM
Oct 2015

Jeeze, that is one serious effed up situation. The poor girl had nobody looking out for her welfare and all the odds were stacked against her.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
15. I can understand a classroom policy of no phones
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:20 PM
Oct 2015

But...seriously, what if a student is waiting for a serious message from say family dealing with a dying parent or something. What if they do glance quickly at a text message and then put it away because it's not "important" enough to break the class rule over?

Why would a teacher react to that in such a harsh way as to kick a new student out of class? Why not just reiterate the rule and say "no looking at your phone"...period.

How many other students in that classroom look at their text messages, and get away with it because they are in the back of the classroom?

Why this crack down on kids with such severity? And to let it escalate to bringing in a resource officer to handle it when a student has a known mental health issue? Maybe this particular teacher had not been informed, but I wouldn't crack down so hard on such a minor slight...I'd call the student on it and reiterate the rule and then get back to the damned lesson.

I just don't understand why anyone needs to be so hardassed. The girl was NOT disrupting the class. She did break a rule by reading a text message (or at least looking to see who it was from)...but it was her first incident in that class room, right?

I think some teachers are just too in love with authority...or maybe this was a school that had a lot of discipline problems with students acting up? I don't know...maybe we don't know enough about what triggered this teacher to respond this way, but I think it was handled wrong from the very beginning.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
29. My oldest son got a waiver from the school saying he could keep
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:16 PM
Oct 2015

his on him at all times bc of my health issues & him essentially being my emergency contact. Most kid's have their phones on them anyways but this way i don't have to jump through hoops if i need him immediately.

I think this school failed this student from the get go.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
28. What a great idea, if someone starts shooting.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:13 PM
Oct 2015

You're right - when has anyone ever opened fire in a school?

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
30. Maybe bc sometimes there's a legitimate reason to have them
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:17 PM
Oct 2015

for one. Not to mention it would jam all cell phones which is a huge issue in itself.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
42. Simply requiring students to put them in storage in the classroom would be plenty.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:56 PM
Oct 2015

Then they'd be available if genuinely needed, but not distracting from the purpose of being in a classroom in the first place. Something like this:



Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
22. Without having all the facts, one cannot escape the conclusion that a number of things went wrong
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:46 PM
Oct 2015

I would question whether she should have been in class at all.

I would question whether she should have been in class so soon after he mother's passing. That does tend to put anyone, even a mature, healthy person, off her mark.

That cop should never have been assigned to duty at a school. I don't know if he was a good or bad cop otherwise, but that was a place he surely should not have been. Was he informed about the young lady's problems? Was the teacher?

This young lady needs extra special care. It is clear that more than one adult failed her.

niyad

(113,232 posts)
41. officer slam will be on trial in jan for similar problems, and has faced suits and charges
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:21 PM
Oct 2015

before. definitely a guy with some serious anger-management and racial bias issues. the school admin, etc., have certainly failed her, and who knows how many others. I think an investigation needs to be made into that entire district.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
43. But it's Texas and he's also the football coach.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:59 PM
Oct 2015

So let's say I'm not exactly confident that he's going to suffer much.

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
64. he has been
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 08:42 PM
Oct 2015

a cop for 10 yrs

1 lawsuit was the exact same scenario. A medic coming home from work on base, nodded a greeting to officer slam. He pulled over and confronted the guy. Wanting to know if the noise complaint was about him. The medic said something like No dude and officer slam lost his shit. Body slammed him and started pepper spraying him. He emptied the entice can of pepper spray on him. Meanwhile his wife came out to see what the commotion was and started taking pictures. She also got arrested and her phone was confiscated. When she got her phone back, the pictures were deleted. Officer slam won the case because it was his word against theirs.

2 lawsuit against officer slam was accused by a woman of battery and violating her civil rights during an arrest. The case was dismissed.

3rd lawsuit - pending. There was a fight off school grounds. Officer slam was not there but took over the investigation a month later. He accused a student of being involved in the fight and being a member of a gang. The student was expelled on Fields word alone. Fields claims that he has affidavits from 4 students, claiming the kid was in a gang, but refuses to hand them over. He also claims the kid told him he was in a gang. the kid claims he was never interviewed by Fields. He was the only one that was expelled, when there were over 30 students involved in the fight.

4th lawsuit will be filed soon.

The kids call him officer slam because he is know for slamming kids around when they don't obey fast enough. Even a pregnant woman. They complain, nothing gets done. It finally got caught on video<----that shocked the student more than his abuse.

I would say he should have been fired after the 1st lawsuit. Instead the police force covered up for him. Onto the Sheriff. He is being applauded for firing hem so quickly. Lott only fires his cops when a video go viral. Google off-duty cop arrests soldier at Buffalo Wild Wings.

ZX86

(1,428 posts)
23. Cop culture has got to change.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:56 PM
Oct 2015

How many times do we have to read about a non-violent deaf person, mentally disabled person, or a person for whatever reason cannot comply to a cop's instructions get pummeled? Any person in authority knows or should know, the best way to approach a person who is disruptive or uncooperative is to first show concern. It's the moral thing to do and it de-escalates the situation in most cases. The sadistic prison guard approach to every incident, even children is horrifying.

This poor girl.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
24. Everything About This Makes Me Sick
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:58 PM
Oct 2015

Put Officer Slam in the Slammer.

Only thing that makes sense.

The girl was not resisting.

She was assaulted.

Obviously.

How about attempted murder?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
39. I don't care if she was free of such problems, she's a child for god's sake and deserves better.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:56 AM
Oct 2015

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
40. I recall reading that schizophrenics have a 5 year survival rate comparable to cancer patients.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:19 PM
Oct 2015

A schizophrenia diagnosis is akin to a cancer diagnosis in terms of life expectancy from diagnosis. Incidents like this explain why.

Very sad. We are still in the dark ages when it comes to handling mental illness.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
47. That's news I can use.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:18 PM
Oct 2015

I did not know that. </johnny-carson> I work with people with disabilities, including psychiatric ones
.
edit: But the beatdown victim has schizoaffective disorder, which is not quite the same thing as full-blown schizophrenia.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
63. Yes and it's getting worse.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:22 PM
Oct 2015
By 2006, the mortality rate for patients with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder was about double the average for the population. What’s more, this mortality gap has widened over time, they report on the website of the British Medical Journal.


http://psychcentral.com/lib/premature-death-rates-rising-in-schizophrenia-bipolar-patients/
 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
45. I could tell just watching that video that the poor child was not well and she sure as hell was not
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:09 PM
Oct 2015

violent. I do NOT understand why this creature (the cop) is not facing charges. This has upset me so much and this only makes me more upset. Is there no one in that school system, social services system, foster care system who will step up to make an example of this to ensure it can NEVER happen again to any other innocent victim?

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
52. I know, There is no mention of a father or any siblings. I feel that this child is completely alone
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:30 PM
Oct 2015

in the world. I cannot forget that cop's words to her, "Are you gonna get up or am I gonna have to make you?"

Who says that to a child?

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
56. I think he is a monster. Truly. I cannot imagine in my angriest moment
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:36 PM
Oct 2015

picking up a child and throwing her across a room. If this "lawyer" who is representing her supposedly wanted to do anything - he should do everything to press charges against that despicable pathetic excuse for a human being.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
59. I also wonder if they will drop the charges against her and the other young woman who was
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:49 PM
Oct 2015

the only one with the guts to stand up for her. That is the very least they could do.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
61. Yes, at the very least. I agree.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:15 PM
Oct 2015

I really am not understanding why they have not done that. And what was with the kids protesting the deputy's firing? I have to admit, I have not delved into that story because I know it will make me angry.

niyad

(113,232 posts)
65. had not heard about anybody protesting that abusive asshole being fired. probably the
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 12:03 PM
Nov 2015

same mentality that led to the protests over paterno being fired.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
54. I m getting confused -
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:33 PM
Oct 2015

do we know this guy was on steroid, although I think that would explain a lot about the rash of cop violence having known someone on steroid use.
I am also hearing that the girl was in foster home but her mother was still alive.

where can we find facts of thsi case
On and that sheriff can stuff it that the girl has to take responsibility for her actions causing this whole problem. who is the adult in the room? apparently there was not one.

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