Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:55 PM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
Ben Carson admits making up West Point scholarship: report
Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson's campaign admitted Friday that the former neurosurgeon fabricated a story about applying to and being accepted at West Point. Carson's campaign made the admission in response to an inquiry from Politico. West Point has no record of Carson applying for admission, Politico said. In Carson's book "Gifted Hands," he says he got a "full scholarship" to the military academy.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ben-carson-admits-making-up-west-point-scholarship-report-2015-11-06 The beginning of the end for Dr. Ben Carson.
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jpak | Nov 2015 | #1 | |
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yeoman6987 | Nov 2015 | #10 | |
smirkymonkey | Nov 2015 | #15 | |
Hortensis | Nov 2015 | #42 | |
Chemisse | Nov 2015 | #97 | |
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Wellstone ruled | Nov 2015 | #45 | |
JHB | Nov 2015 | #56 | |
ToxMarz | Nov 2015 | #57 | |
SummerSnow | Nov 2015 | #72 | |
snooper2 | Nov 2015 | #19 | |
bulloney | Nov 2015 | #65 | |
bigwillq | Nov 2015 | #2 | |
Human101948 | Nov 2015 | #5 | |
Goblinmonger | Nov 2015 | #4 | |
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Bucky | Nov 2015 | #7 | |
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yeoman6987 | Nov 2015 | #11 | |
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underpants | Nov 2015 | #33 | |
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underpants | Nov 2015 | #40 | |
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B Calm | Nov 2015 | #25 | |
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grasswire | Nov 2015 | #16 | |
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:57 PM
jpak (41,479 posts)
1. A Loon and a Liar
yup
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Response to jpak (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:03 PM
yeoman6987 (14,449 posts)
10. It's clear he wants out
He is clearly sabatoging his own campaign. He probably ran to get awareness for his book and never thought he'd get this far.
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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #10)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:18 PM
smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)
15. That's what I'm thinking.
Nobody who really wants to win can be this clueless.
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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #15)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:26 PM
Hortensis (56,790 posts)
42. I'm sure he didn't think he'd get this far. He's a flake,
but he's not stupid. Sell some books, pump up those speaking fees.
He's not sabotaging himself, he's a victim of his adoring victims who kept him in the spotlight too long. ![]() |
Response to Hortensis (Reply #42)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:46 AM
Chemisse (30,573 posts)
97. I think you're exactly right.
Perhaps he didn't count on the RW populace to be so stupid as to actually fall for his line of crap.
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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #15)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:13 PM
Snotcicles (9,089 posts)
83. Picking that piece of work Armstrong Williams for his
campaign manager shows us he is a few cards shy of a full deck.
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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #10)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:28 PM
Wellstone ruled (34,661 posts)
45. Poor Basturd is trapped by his own lies.
Kiss your butt good bye Doc!
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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #10)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:51 PM
JHB (36,475 posts)
56. I don't think it's that, more a case of...
...old embellished stories that he told over and over again -- a more dramatic "come to Jesus" moment, inflating the details of an encounter with A Household Name, etc. -- finally running into people inclined to check their veracity and find it wanting.
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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #10)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:52 PM
ToxMarz (2,084 posts)
57. So he sabotaged his 2015 campaign back in 2009 when he wrote the book.
Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #10)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:06 PM
SummerSnow (12,608 posts)
72. I totally agree with you
Response to jpak (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:33 PM
snooper2 (30,151 posts)
19. he reminds me of the drunk guy at the bar making up stories to sound cool
even the way he talks he sounds drunk...
maybe he is LOL? Somebody test that man! |
Response to jpak (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:46 PM
bulloney (4,113 posts)
65. "Gifted Imagination" would be a better title for the book.
Now, watch his poll numbers go up.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:58 PM
bigwillq (72,790 posts)
2. Congrats on 1,000 posts!
![]() Carson is a loon. |
Response to bigwillq (Reply #2)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:00 PM
Human101948 (3,457 posts)
5. Thanks!
And censored only four times!
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:00 PM
Goblinmonger (22,340 posts)
4. Stick a fork in Ben Carson
because he's done.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:01 PM
Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)
6. I think the Christitian Right will ignore this, as they have a history of ignoring stuff because God
forgives.
The rest of the Republican electorate, not so much. Trump is going to have a field day. |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:01 PM
Bucky (52,545 posts)
7. But he's still standing by his account of being the first teenager on the moon, right?
His account of holding the prayer vigil at Tranquility Bay is too spiritually inspiring to not be true.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:02 PM
MohRokTah (15,429 posts)
8. So will Rubio be the next flavor of the month?
Whoever is next won't last long.
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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #8)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:04 PM
yeoman6987 (14,449 posts)
11. I hope he is more then favor of the month. I want him to get the nom.
Trump is too dangerous. Rubio is easier to beat.
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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #11)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:21 PM
NewJeffCT (56,799 posts)
17. You think so?
Rubio is a gifted speaker who has an inspiring background as a child of immigrants rising up from humble beginnings. The media will paint him as the Hispanic version of Obama - good speaker and first term senator.
Once the GOP field narrows, Trump will become more of a target and all of his wild and controversial statements from the past will start adding up and turning more and more people off to him - especially women and anybody that is not white. I'd say that in the long run, Kasich and Rubio are threats to Clinton or Sanders. The others, not so much. Of course, with Koch, Adelson and others financially backing them, most GOP candidates are threats. |
Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #17)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:29 PM
StevieM (10,452 posts)
18. Excellent point. The Koch brothers may spend a billion dollars this time, for all we know. (eom)
Response to StevieM (Reply #18)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:50 PM
NewJeffCT (56,799 posts)
30. I think the Koch brothers
have already pledged at least $800 million or some astronomical amount. Couple that with all the other GOP sugar daddies (Adelson, Scaife, etc), and they have a huge monetary advantage.
I've said for a few years now, the only way to get them out of politics will be if there is ever somebody as rich as Bill Gates or Warren Buffet that is an active liberal political donor and pledges to outspend the GOP. All of a sudden, you'll see Republicans suddenly falling all over themselves to ban outside money from federal and state elections. |
Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #17)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:36 PM
Goblinmonger (22,340 posts)
23. I agree. Kasich/Rubio is a scary combo.
Part of me still feels Bush will get the nomination. If that happens, it's not Rubio on the ticket.
You put hundreds of millions behind Kasich/Rubio, and it's a contest. |
Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #23)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:07 PM
underpants (176,763 posts)
33. Yep Ohio/Florida
Kasich is bad news put they can cover for him as "experienced in these times of grave danger". I just don't see Rubio in the top spot. I'm not one for "looking Presidential " but the media has people so spooked that he just looks like a kid.
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Response to underpants (Reply #33)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:09 PM
Goblinmonger (22,340 posts)
35. Rubio is too young to be the top spot.
Kasich is a little crazy, but he can appeal to moderate Dems.
Ohio/Florida and Hispanic vote. Oy. |
Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #35)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:20 PM
underpants (176,763 posts)
40. We are all skipping over Cruz
But then he doesn't sell well to the Gen Public to my eye and he is so despised in his own party they may just maneuver him out anyway.
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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #35)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:56 PM
spooky3 (32,059 posts)
86. Kasich will not appeal to moderate Dems once his record
Becomes well-known. He is not even a moderate Republican.
I agree with those who believe that a ham sandwich is formidable with Koch, Adelson, etc., money behind it. |
Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #17)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:41 PM
B Calm (28,762 posts)
25. If they go Rubio, I'm thinking Clinton will pick Castro as her VP.
Response to B Calm (Reply #25)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:46 PM
NewJeffCT (56,799 posts)
26. I think Castro is a strong possibility
no matter who the GOP picks. I like him a lot.
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Response to B Calm (Reply #25)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:51 PM
chillfactor (7,249 posts)
32. I certainly hope so...
Castro would be my number one pick to be on the ticket...besides he would counter Rubio if Rubio ends up on the rethug ticket. And Castro is much more intelligent and charismatic then Rubio.
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Response to B Calm (Reply #25)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:21 PM
underpants (176,763 posts)
41. I think that's a wise move regardless of the Repubs n/t
Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #17)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:50 PM
Kelvin Mace (17,469 posts)
31. I don't find him particularly articulate
and the media might paint his as "Hispanic Obama", but the Hispanic/Latino community view him as radioactive, so I don't see how that helps him.
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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #31)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:25 PM
B Calm (28,762 posts)
76. I guess everybody is entitled to an opinion,
I just don't agree with it.
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Response to B Calm (Reply #76)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:33 PM
Kelvin Mace (17,469 posts)
77. I ran into many people who told me how
charming Bush the Lesser was. I never saw it.
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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #17)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:17 PM
underpants (176,763 posts)
38. Funny just the other day I was thinking - is it really going winnow down to Trump?
I thought Paul was their best shot (Ky election laws & supremacy ties aside).
Without going thru the whole list I guess Kasich/Rubio - Ohio/Florida- is their best but that is going to require mountains to be moved according to the current polls. Super Tuesday is going to decide everything in both parties. Who sells in their party in the "SEC Primary". |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:02 PM
NightWatcher (39,343 posts)
9. It's not a lie, but a parable just like his Popeyes robbery story
I'll say it again, Republicanism is a mental illness and should be treated as such.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:08 PM
corkhead (6,119 posts)
12. not as crazy as the Joseph storing grain in the pyramids theory
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:13 PM
MowCowWhoHow III (2,103 posts)
13. Bye Ben
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:16 PM
Truprogressive85 (900 posts)
14. nutjobs wont care
look at Bush Texas national air guard scandal
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Response to Truprogressive85 (Reply #14)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:34 PM
Goblinmonger (22,340 posts)
21. Yeah, but Bush denied that.
Carson's camp admitted it.
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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #21)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:54 PM
SleeplessinSoCal (7,991 posts)
102. no. they didn't admit it.
Last night and today the Breitbarts and all are going after CNN, Politico and all media outlets that reported about his self proclaimed violent past and the West Point "scholarship".
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/11/06/right-wing-media-are-furious-that-cnn-vetted-be/206677 |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:21 PM
grasswire (50,130 posts)
16. what else is he lying about?
Obviously he has no moral compass.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:34 PM
B Calm (28,762 posts)
20. Wow, this guy is out there! Scary
knowing that there are so many dumb asses out there who are ready to vote for him.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:35 PM
hay rick (6,663 posts)
22. Wow.
I expect his poll numbers to go through the roof now. Seriously, if this doesn't scuttle his campaign, the Republican base is even more demented than I could have imagined.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:37 PM
GreatCaesarsGhost (8,557 posts)
24. Brian Williams should interview him.
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:46 PM
chillfactor (7,249 posts)
27. He lied?
Oh dear! Just another lying rethug...surprise. surprise! NOT!
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:47 PM
Kelvin Mace (17,469 posts)
28. It will be interesting to see how his "true believers" deal with it
Their capacity for self-delusion is breathtaking.
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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #28)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:27 PM
underpants (176,763 posts)
43. Yes it will be. Uh-oh THE top story on foxnews.com
Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #28)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:06 PM
LastLiberal in PalmSprings (12,303 posts)
61. Clearly the elite liberal media is trying to tear down their hero
Watch his poll numbers go up.
I wonder if challenging him on his provable lies will be considered a "gotcha" question at the debate? ![]() |
Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #28)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:16 PM
ThoughtCriminal (13,709 posts)
95. Already seen their spin on Facebook
The predictable "It's Another Media Hit Job." whining.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro Lame and nonsensical. Somehow in their universe, General Westmoreland telling him he should apply to West Point means exactly the same thing as being offered a full scholarship. ![]() |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:09 PM
Babel_17 (5,400 posts)
34. Well, since his party isn't about to close ranks behind him, he looks done
Just being tied for the lead in the number of supporters in the Republican primary isn't going to help in creating a narrative big enough to deal with this incident, and others like it.
Ask Jeb! about what happens when you're consistently the fodder for derogatory jokes by comics and commentators. Or Governor Perry. He can coast on his numbers but imo he's peaked, and will start leaking support. Though of course, given his competition, he actually could survive to be the most popular person running. Generally, his opponents that aren't gaffe prone are running very low in the polls, and not currently real contenders. (Pataki and Kasich come to mind, though I think Pataki has to be thinking about dropping out) |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:16 PM
Bad Thoughts (2,485 posts)
36. Isn't West Point free?
I don't believe that cadets have to pay for tuition, fees, room or board. They get a monthly stipend.
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Response to Bad Thoughts (Reply #36)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:28 PM
Doc Holliday (719 posts)
44. Don't know about that part....
....but I was under the impression that you had to be recommended by a Congress-critter to go to any of our military academies. I'm pretty sure you don't just win a scholarship and go, although I might be wrong.
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Response to Doc Holliday (Reply #44)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:34 PM
Bad Thoughts (2,485 posts)
47. It requires sponsrship, yes
Once there, the education, I believe, is given without charge. Of course, one must promise to serve after graduation, perhaps five years. Even so, it is definitely one of the best deals in higher education.
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Response to Bad Thoughts (Reply #36)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:35 PM
Brother Buzz (34,515 posts)
49. Yes it's a free ride*, but it's still considered a scholarship
* The free ride includes a mandatory six year hitch in the Army after graduation
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Response to Bad Thoughts (Reply #36)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:53 PM
SheilaT (23,156 posts)
70. Bingo. Anyone who knows anything at all
about the service academies knows that they are free, unless you leave after the first year, I believe. If you return after that, then quit, you're on the hook for some sort of repayment.
Obviously, Ben the Idiot never knew the first thing about the academies. |
Response to Bad Thoughts (Reply #36)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:35 PM
Historic NY (36,745 posts)
78. It is not free you must pay back with 5 yrs service....
This idiot the Supt doesn't offer a scholorship, one must get your congressman to sponsor you. If he was a football player perhaps there would be some perks offered but they still must complete 5 yrs of service. "A cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do." He would never fit in.
http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/apply_nominations.aspx |
Response to Historic NY (Reply #78)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:09 PM
former9thward (29,032 posts)
106. West Point says it is a scholarship.
https://books.google.com/books?id=e14EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA153&dq=%22west%20point%22%20tuition%20scholarship&pg=PA153#v=onepage&q=%22west%20point%22%20tuition%20scholarship&f=false
This is an advertisement West Point put in Black Enterprise magazine. Note the word "scholarship" in the 2nd paragraph. |
Response to former9thward (Reply #106)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:33 PM
Historic NY (36,745 posts)
107. Free to the point, you have to give them 5yrs active & 3 reserve....
Upon graduation, you will be commissioned as a second lieutenant in the Army and serve for five years on active duty (if you choose to depart the Army after five years, you will be required to serve three years in the Inactive Ready Reserve (IRR)). During your senior year, you’ll find out which specialized field, or “branch,” you will enter. Both the needs of the Army and your preferences will be considered.
http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/careers.aspx |
Response to Bad Thoughts (Reply #36)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:54 PM
jmowreader (49,385 posts)
79. West Point cadets are in the Army the whole time they're at the Academy
You are exactly right: all expenses are paid and they receive monthly pay.
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Response to Bad Thoughts (Reply #36)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:38 PM
SomethingFishy (4,876 posts)
94. YES! I cannot believe he thought he'd get away with this lie...
There are no "scholarships" to West Point. You need to pass all the tests in the top 3% and you need sponsorship of a Congressperson to get in. Not a General.
Watching the idiots on Fox trying to defend him is hilarious. All these fucking "patriots" have no idea how the military works. |
Response to Bad Thoughts (Reply #36)
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:42 AM
freebrew (1,917 posts)
110. The cadets get paid...
as they are basically in the army.
It's not a scholarship, it's either an appointment from a congressman or senator. OR if your parent was in the army and you qualify. Not something that helps on a resume. Like saying you were accepted to some college. Big deal... also not like it's a brain factory. You graduate with a degree in military science. |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:17 PM
kimbutgar (18,805 posts)
37. There was a guy on Stephanie Miller this am from Mississippi defending him and saying us liburals
Are lying. I guess the churches in the south are pushing Carson as their candidate. Some smart investigative reporter should look into this and perhaps report it so the IRS has grounds to take away their tax free status.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:20 PM
WestSeattle2 (1,730 posts)
39. Do you think his wife knew all these stories were BS, or is she
just now realizing that the man she thought she married, is simply a liar motivated by unbridled greed and ego?
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:28 PM
eppur_se_muova (35,364 posts)
46. He's moving into Nixon territory now. nt
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:34 PM
EdwardBernays (3,343 posts)
48. His campaign is now denying this
And saying Politico is "lying"
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:37 PM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
51. the problem with padding a resume, putting it into book form and publishing it prior to elections
...he really is so stupid as to think others are not going to fact check? Well that's stupid!!!
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:37 PM
The_Casual_Observer (27,276 posts)
52. Attending West Point implies a full scholarship. There is no cost involved.
Carson wouldn't know that. Carson is a sack of shit.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:40 PM
gollygee (22,336 posts)
53. Paul Ryan part II
Silly lies about stuff he doesn't have to lie about.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:41 PM
spanone (133,797 posts)
54. the doctor is out
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:43 PM
JCMach1 (27,210 posts)
55. Anyone else smell Rove on the media attacks on Carson...
Yes, he is batshite...
However, this seems a little too coordinated. |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:53 PM
riversedge (66,080 posts)
58. Bush Says He Backs Carson on West Point Story
![]() Bloomberg Politics @bpolitics 1m1 minute ago Bush Says He Backs Carson on West Point Story http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2015-11-06/bush-says-he-backs-carson-on-west-point-story … 3 minutes ago Bush Says He Backs Carson on West Point Story “If it’s between POLITICO and Ben Carson, I’m in the Ben Carson column,” GOP presidental candidate Jeb Bush says on Fox Business, according to spokesman Tim Miller. Related stories: |
Response to riversedge (Reply #58)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:45 PM
NCjack (10,165 posts)
67. "I can fix it" man certifies Ben. The correct answer is
"I don't know -- take that up with Ben."
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:59 PM
Gore1FL (20,598 posts)
59. I wonder what one would do with the scholorship to attend a free university...
What a dumbass.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:03 PM
wolfie001 (1,649 posts)
60. Buffoon, grifter, liar
No wonder he's in the lead!!!
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:21 PM
90-percent (6,707 posts)
62. The Dr. is using a modern version of THE BIG LIE
Only now I think the commonly used term is THE BIG MIS-REMEMBERING.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:33 PM
SoCalMusicLover (3,194 posts)
63. I Don't Understand Why Everyone Thinks He's Done Now
He fits right in with the repub candidates as a LIAR.
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Response to SoCalMusicLover (Reply #63)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:57 PM
spooky3 (32,059 posts)
87. Agreed. Romney could hardly finish a sentence w/o lying;
Lying is considered an important skill among the Repub base and donors.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:45 PM
yellowcanine (35,578 posts)
64. It takes two gifted hands to handle a Whopper.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:55 PM
patsimp (915 posts)
66. Is this buffoon toast yet?
Response to patsimp (Reply #66)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:47 PM
NCjack (10,165 posts)
68. No. But there is now competition for being the biggest joke in the clown car. /nt
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:49 PM
mfcorey1 (10,963 posts)
69. Dr. Carson discovered America! This man needs to be evaluated in a psyche ward!
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:05 PM
SummerSnow (12,608 posts)
71. Oh my, he is just going on a lying rant
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:08 PM
mrmpa (4,033 posts)
73. Shit everyone accepted to the USMA gets a "full scholarship" + a monthly stipend. Duh. eom
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:23 PM
CanonRay (13,243 posts)
74. First of many lies he'll get caught in.
This man has no business running for dog catcher.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:24 PM
Paper Roses (7,387 posts)
75. This guy is something else. Wish he would go away. Quickly!
Slurred speech., crazy ideas and now ---lies? What makes him think that he is qualified to head this country. Good grief, I think he is the worst of the republican lot. At least Trump keeps your attention, laughable or not.
What are Carlson supporters thinking? |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:04 PM
Helen Borg (3,963 posts)
80. In short...
All he does is he makes up shit...
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:26 PM
Fritz Walter (4,169 posts)
81. Is the term "chicken hawk" hyphenated?
He was in ROTC in the late 60's, early 70's.
Vietnam war was underway. Despite his involvement with ROTC, actually signing up, picking up a weapon and manning a post in a combat situation -- or even going to West Point -- just didn't fit into his plans. Fast-forward to our current situation: he wants to be commander-in-chief. Am I missing something here? |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:10 PM
Duppers (26,659 posts)
82. As if lying makes a bit of difference to Republicans!
nt
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:25 PM
Liberal_in_LA (44,397 posts)
84. Why Ben Carson's west point story made no sense
Why Ben Carson’s West Point scholarship claim made no sense from the beginning ____ The story held up until now. But in retrospect, it is clear that it doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. The process to getting into West Point requires applicants to obtain a nomination, most commonly from their congressman, senator or vice president of the United States. The secretary of the Army — an appointed civilian leader — also can nominate a student for consideration, but the service’s four-star chief of staff — Westmoreland from July 1968 through June 1972 — is not eligible to do so. All of those kinds of nominations are considered congressional in nature. The other way to get consideration for admission is through what is known as a service-connected nomination, which has specific requirements. They include being the son or daughter of an individual who served at least eight years, died or became disabled while serving, or earned the Medal of Honor. Enlisted soldiers who obtained the endorsement of their commander to apply can also be considered. Members of junior and senior ROTC programs also can apply, but must seek their nomination through their professor of military science. Carson said in his book that he was introduced to Westmoreland by his JROTC director following a Memorial Day parade, but makes no allusion to seeking a nomination of any kind. Politico also reported that Westmoreland wasn’t in Detroit, Carson’s hometown, in 1969 on Memorial Day, citing Army documents. In addition to the criteria, Carson’s terminology about West Point is questionable. Carson said that he was offered a scholarship to attend, but the school doesn’t offer anything that it calls a scholarship. Rather, students are offered admission without tuition in exchange for serving their country when they graduate. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/11/06/why-ben-carsons-west-point-scholarship-claim-made-no-sense-from-the-beginning/ |
Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #84)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:39 PM
SwankyXomb (2,030 posts)
104. Just to play Devil's Advocate
Yes, all that is true about how you get in to West Point, but if Westmoreland had made a few calls saying "I want this Carson kid at the Point," do you think accommodations wouldn't be made?
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:39 PM
NonMetro (631 posts)
85. Ben's Not A Liar.
He just makes up stuff that isn't true.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:58 PM
TeeYiYi (8,028 posts)
88. All West Point Scholarship threads...
...need this video for posterity:
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:03 PM
DirkGently (12,151 posts)
90. Just. Flat. Made it UP.
And he's also really angry CNN couldn't substantiate his claims of attacking his mother with a hammer or trying to stab his friend. Because "liberal bias." ![]() |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:23 PM
prouddemfromaustin44 (52 posts)
91. I never thought of Carson as anything more than a conman and a snakeoil salesman
This news only reinforces my previous beliefs about this idiot. I really hope this torpedoes his chances of getting anywhere near the White House. God help us all if he somehow still manages to gets in....
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:05 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
92. It would be funny if he made up the brain surgeon gig too....
We'll know if he next claims to have been a double naught spy.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:33 PM
c588415 (285 posts)
93. frm. Rep Joe Wilson says "you a lie Ben"
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:18 AM
lonestarnot (77,097 posts)
96. But he's still "going out to these book signings."
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:51 AM
Chemisse (30,573 posts)
98. I don't think the West Point thing is a big deal.
It's a slight stretch on something he could have reasonably inferred.
What's REALLY disturbing are some of the other tales he's told. He's actually upset because people doubt his stories about being a child psychopath! What about his crazy armed robbery story that couldn't be verified? |
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:05 PM
NCjack (10,165 posts)
99. Ben, I admire you. You are the only lying GOP candidate to admit
to being a liar.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:28 PM
niyad (101,438 posts)
100. his base isn't going to care, will find some way to blame this on the "librul media"
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:42 PM
winstars (4,196 posts)
101. He was born in 1951, why didn't he go to Viet Nam??? nt
Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:17 PM
Egnever (21,506 posts)
103. Wait what?
Didn't he just do a full press interview explaining how he didn't make it up?
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:04 PM
Tab (11,093 posts)
105. I can't fault Ben Carson overly much on this one
although by comparison he's making me think Donald Trump might be a reasonable candidate.
It may have been presented to him like, "with your grades and background you could get into West Point - all expenses paid and no cost, but you have to do four or five years of service afterwards", which is the deal, and he acknowledged that - he may have misused the term 'scholarship', or maybe it was misused when described to him, or maybe that's what his mother called it, but he certainly was aware he'd have to do four or five years of military service afterwards, which he cited as one of the reasons not to pursue it. There's nothing to imply he really thought it was a no-strings-attached paid-in-full arrangement. That said, I still think he's a loon. |
Response to Tab (Reply #105)
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 09:15 PM
Skittles (149,502 posts)
113. uh huh
how about the part where the guy he claims MADE him the offer wasn't even in the same city as Carson when he claims the offer was made?
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:40 PM
Rex (65,616 posts)
108. Don't say that too loud a certain DUer will get pissed off!
Evidently they are running around defending Carson...what a strange hobby, but whatever.
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:12 AM
still_one (87,963 posts)
109. That is all he had to do up front. Instead he continued to push the lie, and thus dig himself in a
hole further
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:09 PM
neffernin (275 posts)
111. I'm cheering for Ben to be the Republican nominee
As I feel he'd be a complete pushover in the generals... Just imagine the debates regardless of who the Dem nominee is!
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:55 AM
daybranch (1,309 posts)
112. Why do we let the oligarchy's Mian Stream Media focus our attention on idiots
when our time would be much better spent focusing on the issues? Go Bernie!
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Response to Human101948 (Original post)
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 10:11 AM
rtracey (2,062 posts)
114. ok
time to take this down
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