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Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:53 PM

Ronald Reagan was elected TWICE even though he strongly pushed to end Social Security

Medicaid, and Medicare. Based on some comments here lately, I think many here don't realize that.

That wasn't a policy the majority of Americans supported, but they voted for Reagan anyway. Because they thought he was a nice guy -- and he told a nice story about America in a comforting way. Apparently, they trusted Congress to rein him in on the "policy" issues -- and Congress did.

Now we face another genial candidate , Dr. Ben Carson, who is also pushing to end Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare. But this nice guy, if he gets elected, will probably have a GOP Congress backing him up.

We need to fight Dr. Ben Carson (and anyone else who wants to end Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid) with every tool at our disposal. And that means we and the media should not be putting all the focus on policy details, which most Americans don't follow -- till it's too late.

We have to show the kind of snakes who are lurking behind these pleasant faces.

Thanks to the WSJ, the WAPost, and other media sources who are starting to expose Dr. Ben Carson for the lying, self-serving, narcissistic creep that he is.

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Reply Ronald Reagan was elected TWICE even though he strongly pushed to end Social Security (Original post)
pnwmom Nov 2015 OP
Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #1
NonMetro Nov 2015 #2
madville Nov 2015 #3
pnwmom Nov 2015 #4
madville Nov 2015 #5
smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #6
Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #7

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:01 PM

1. So we should be talking about those aspects of him, he wants to end beloved and vital programs

 

that benefit millions and that's horrible and that's what we should be talking about, the rest is for the yellow press to do and do it they will. Not all Americans are as stupid as you think and some don't want to read about the silly stuff to the exclusion of policy choices. Those who want to do Kardashian style will always do so, I don't need to help them, nor do our candidates. Our job is to remind the press what is actually important.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:06 PM

2. Absolutely! Spot on!

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:40 PM

3. Reagan was never going to end Social Security regardless of what he "wanted"

What he did have was a Democratic Congress, Speaker (Oneill), and a bunch of Senate Democrats that were willing to work with him in order to "fix" Social Security by raising the retirement age gradually from 65 to 67 by the year 2000 and to raise the payroll contribution to the current 12.4% that's paid now.

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Response to madville (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:50 PM

4. But Ben Carson has a chance if he has a Rethug congress to back him up.

And Reagan might have if he'd had the chance. He'd been calling for it since at least 1962.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:41 AM

5. They would need around 10 Democratic Senators

To go with them, not going to happen. I could see a bipartisan deal to raise the income cap, bump up the retirement age a year or two, and increase the payroll tax a percent, that's far more likely

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:03 AM

6. Maybe this is a dumb question, but what could be the possible justifications for ending

Social Security? That aren't totally psychopathic, I mean. People have paid into this their entire working lives and then the plan is to just stiff them when they retire? How could that possibly fly with any working person? How could any working person vote for a candidate that even suggests this?

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:18 AM

7. When did he strongly push to end all that?

He made some bullshit record in 1961 against "socialized medicine", but in the 1980 campaign he did not advocate for the destruction of these programs in the campaign, he only claimed that Medicare wasn't what he had wanted. And he actually ran on a platform of "strengthening" Social Security by increasing the payroll tax (which he later raided to pay for his tax cuts for the rich).

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