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Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:30 AM

About that Syrian refugee passport found at Paris attack scene

Since right-wingers are using this as an excuse to close all borders and turn back all refugees,
this is an interesting article in the Guardian:

But there are several reasons why itís worth waiting until all the facts are known before making too strong a link between the attacks and the refugee crisis. The first is a general one: on at least 12 occasions, Isis has actually criticised refugees for fleeing to Europe. ďFor those who want to blame the attacks on Paris on refugees, you might want to get your facts straight,Ē wrote Aaron Zelin, an analyst of jihad, in an online commentary about the 12 outbursts. ďThe reality is, [Isis] loathes that individuals are fleeing Syria for Europe. It undermines [Isisís] message that its self-styled caliphate is a refuge.Ē Itís therefore unlikely that the vast majority of Syrians fleeing to Europe are Isis supporters, since their actions are in obvious contravention of the groupís creed.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/why-syrian-refugee-passport-found-at-paris-attack-scene-must-be-treated-with-caution

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Reply About that Syrian refugee passport found at Paris attack scene (Original post)
ellenrr Nov 2015 OP
Turbineguy Nov 2015 #1
Agschmid Nov 2015 #2
Turbineguy Nov 2015 #5
Jarqui Nov 2015 #3
JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2015 #4
ellenrr Nov 2015 #6
LittleBlue Nov 2015 #7

Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:42 AM

1. IS is putting out that 4000 terrorists

traveled among the refugees and are in Europe now.

As Maxwell Smart used to say, "Would you believe....."

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:58 AM

2. I believe the number is somewhere between 0-4000.

But I certainly doubt the higher end.

But I'm not an expert at these things, my goal isn't to scare everyone.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:58 AM

5. Indeed

These groups have been known to exaggerate.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:32 AM

3. Reason doesn't tend to matter to people who hate

The GOP have a shot at going after non-whites/non-Christians and they're going to empty their magazines doing so now.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:41 AM

4. "itís worth waiting until all the facts are known"

This is wise.

But, it's likely that "all the facts" may never be known.

And, while waiting, do you leave the borders open, or do you close them?

Some European countries seem to be modifying their open-border position.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:27 PM

6. And the ramifications pour in..

I just heard on the radio that in New York City, some new counter-terrorism task force:
we will be seeing heavily armed cops in malls and restaurants...

lovely....

what could possible go wrong?

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But you can't stop this terrorism- I don't care if they put all the rest of us in cages, the terrorists will still get in.
If someone is willing to die to accomplish his goal, he will succeed.

The only way to stop terrorism is to build a world, in which people have no motivation to become a terrorist.
And I fear it is too late for that.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:36 PM

7. Who has accused the majority of refugees as being ISIS supporters?

 

Itís therefore unlikely that the vast majority of Syrians fleeing to Europe are Isis supporters, since their actions are in obvious contravention of the groupís creed.

That isn't the problem at all. The problem is having an open door policy and allowing in infiltators.

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