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Ohio Community Lives in Fear as Rifle-Toting White Man Stalks Black Neighborhoods With ImpunityPolice say the states gun laws have tied their hands despite complaints.
By Tom Boggioni / Raw Story December 5, 2015
A 25-year-old white man got into an altercation with the black owner of a barbershop on Thursday who objected to him stalking predominantly black neighborhoods carrying a rifle slung across his back, reports Cleveland.com.
Saying he has a right under Ohios open carry laws to parade about town carrying his gun, Daniel Kovacevic, 25, has been stopped by police multiple times including near the University of Akron but police say the states gun laws have tied their hands despite citizen complaints.
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/ohio-community-lives-fear-rifle-toting-white-man-stalks-black-neighborhoods-impunity
This racist gun humper has the right under law to terrorize this neighborhood any time he wants to legally!

Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)He does the RKBA side no good at at all and I am glad to condemn him strongly
Baitball Blogger
(49,174 posts)He knows that he can't do this in a predominately white community.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)but I'd like to arm 10 or 20 black guys and have them wander around this fuckwits neighborhood.
Volaris
(10,737 posts)Duty bound to shoot to kill.
If roles were reversed and this man were black in a white neighborhood, the cops would have shot him dead already.
Hands tied, my ass.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)They would need a media posse and as many supporters as possible.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Crunchy Frog
(27,297 posts)His actions are simply pointing up just how idiotic it is.
What harm do you think he could possibly do to the RKBA side that Newtown and San Bernardino, and all the other massacres haven't already managed?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Just like a drunk driver who kills breaks existing laws on that. To openly provoke for a reaction and publicity like what he is doing does not help
Crunchy Frog
(27,297 posts)to move towards reining in the wackos.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Ohio cops shoot them on sight.
11 Bravo
(24,086 posts)wounded two fucking seconds after an Ohio cop pulled up beside the child and his toy gun.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)
mountain grammy
(27,528 posts)
This is exactly the sort of fool who shouldn't be allowed to play with guns.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I was thinking the same thing.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)rocktivity
(44,895 posts)Just to help him keep black neighborhoods "safe."
rocktivity
lark
(24,557 posts)Only white men are allowed to safely (for them) play with guns out in the open.
Crunchy Frog
(27,297 posts)because he "felt that his life was in danger".
That's how the game is rigged.
Paladin
(29,394 posts)Future generations will look back on current gun practices and just shake their heads......
2naSalit
(95,274 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:24 PM - Edit history (1)
perhaps demonstrates the strength of an American cultural myth. Everybody knows about the wild west of the 19th up to mid 20th - at least - century America and how cowboys wore pistols on their hips and gentlemen had theirs tuck away somewhere and as the film industry glorifies, shootings could take place anytime anywhere... it was presented as normal and often solved a perceived problem sans negotiation attempts.
In some social groups, the idea of keeping that mythic time and place alive yet applied to the 21st century world is their mission in life. Complete with the disfranchisement of all but white landholders in all ways, equality was not a forward concept and as is now, little anticipation of justice of any kind. This is what our political opposition is fighting for.
It would be nice if future generations could look back and call this time and our most immediate future, and proclaim a new awakening in humanity that benefited all life on the planet.
jmowreader
(51,854 posts)When a gun-toting cowboy came to town, the first thing he had to do was to visit the police station and check his gun, just like a 21st-century person checks his coat at a nightclub.
2naSalit
(95,274 posts)I left that part out, mistakenly - I intended to mention that part because that whole myth was fabricated for entertainment and profit. And for lack of factual evidence, most believed it and many wish to emulate that which the myth presents.
DLevine
(1,790 posts)Fucking insane. Which reminds me, fuck the NRA.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)They need to do it due to 10th amendment issues. Stopping this would be perfectly legal if done that way.
randys1
(16,286 posts)I ask for two reasons, one is I am thinking of trying to do a thread to bring gun advocates and regulation advocates together, but in this instance?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Illegal to openly carry a long gun if it is not in some kind of case and unloaded.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Is that illegal in one place and legal in another?
Is it usually legal to open carry loaded hand guns but not long rifles?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)carry a loaded long rifle but you can a loaded handgun under open carry?
I dont expect anyone here to know that, so many jurisdictions to deal with, but I am asking just in case
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)intersectionality
(106 posts)Partially because the laws around guns and other stupid shit are geared towards safe communities and not individual freedom. After Texas for 25 years finally being in a place that cares about their citizens beyond their economic production or immigrant status is refreshing
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)You may find answers here
http://get.smarter.com/web?am=broad&q=open+carry+law&an=msn_s&askid=b3f3b8b6-2bb9-4584-a69d-3fb738d1d6a2-0-sm_msb&kv=default&gc=0&dqi=&qsrc=999&ad=semD&o=34635&l=&af=&_=1
Or here
OpenCarry.org
MH1
(18,397 posts)Such as PA, last I heard. Because state laws prohibit the implementation of almost any other gun control at the local level. (Although I do know some municipalities have tried, so maybe there's loopholes.)
You probably know that but I am adding it for information of other readers.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)That is why I said state and local. And the state preemption can be good and bad. Very good when used against pro life abortion laws by city's that the state can preempt.
7962
(11,841 posts)Why advertise what you have? If someone DOES want to mess with you the FIRST thing they'll do is go for the gun! Look at this guy; its slung across his back. Easy target from the back. Slit the strap & now guess who is armed?
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)another Zimmerman wanna be. Just the fact that he is doing to instill fear and supremacy should make it illegal.
2naSalit
(95,274 posts)salin
(48,958 posts)hmmmm.
randys1
(16,286 posts)been shot dead 76 times by now.
To me this is the bigger issue, the racism that allows a white guy to do this but would certainly be a dead guy if he was Black.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)that they will be walking through the richest and whitest neighborhood in the area open carrying fully locked and loaded assault weapons and see what happens?
7962
(11,841 posts)Make sure they have legal weapons and whatever licenses are required and a truckload of media.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:40 PM - Edit history (1)
The reason these laws are passed is white privilege use them as a weapon against PoC.
If PoC took to the white streets doing the same maybe the laws would get changed.
But for God's sake have tons on news media and cameras with you.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)RACIST IDIOT.
There oughta' be a law against doing this. He's obviously trying to terrorize these people.
DFW
(57,191 posts)State of Ohio, State of Oklahoma, State of Texas, State of South Carolina..............
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)This is teabagger terrorism of peaceful citizens!
blm
(113,975 posts)end of times.
Not really much different than the terror of Daesh and its parallel on so many levels worldview.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)I wonder when I'm going to see something like this and what my reaction will be other than
world wide wally
(21,835 posts)street with a rifle and they didn't respond until AFTER he had shot 3 people because it was "legal" there too
arcane1
(38,613 posts)We're living in crazy-town USA
world wide wally
(21,835 posts)What are 3 or 4 lives compared to being able to walk down a city street with an assault weapon?
Right, Uncle Ben.
navarth
(5,927 posts)I hope he doesn't take down any innocents when he gets it.
packman
(16,296 posts)But it is just these type of things that MAY get some gun laws changed. I just wish he'd do his walking in front of the state house.
By the way, did you get in the article where the black man and the ass were in an oral match-up that the ONLY question the gun-wacker asked the black barbershop owner was if he was a Christian?
Scary shit.
Fla Dem
(26,267 posts)If he has no business in those areas, other than to strike fear into the citizens who live there, to me that is disturbing the peace. He is actively taunting and stalking the neighborhood.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)I'm beginning to believe these ridiculous gun laws are about more than just pandering to their constituents (gun nuts/manufacturers ). It's almost like they're promoting social unrest, but I may be a little paranoid.
SunSeeker
(54,591 posts)thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)tclambert
(11,153 posts)Still, this experiment risked his life. Not only might the cops shoot him, they might gin up some fake charge to post-justify their actions and throw him in prison for nothing. Recording them and talking back about your rights? You know that infuriates some officers.
DocMac
(1,628 posts)cardboard bear traps, paint them black, and put them on the sidewalks.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I've mentioned that when it comes to Ferguson too.
The cops act like they are going into a war zone when they go into a black neighborhood but this raises the question: When have ANY of them ever been under fire in a black neighborhood? They make it sound like there are guns shooting at them from every window.
MrScorpio
(73,748 posts)
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Cop response: instant death
Fully armed white male with assault rifle walking in black neighborhood.
Cop response: Gee we cant do a thing about it
Nothing to see here folks......
perdita9
(1,211 posts)That's what the NRA stands for
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Crunchy Frog
(27,297 posts)Let a black man stalk a white neighborhood toting the same weapon though, and the state authorities will be singing a different tune, I'd be willing to bet.
I'm wondering how the Gungeoneers are going to justify this one.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)RKBA supporters here on DU do not support this and most often condemn this idiotic behavior, like I have. Of course we are never given any credit for that.
Crunchy Frog
(27,297 posts)I don't see them condemning the laws that permit the behavior.
And in fact, I often see posts mocking people for feeling intimidated or scarred when they encounter this sort of behavior, and ridiculing the notion that they might want to call the police.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Just pointing out that u Der the law it is legal and that some who advocate calling police on a person with a holstered or slung weapon that is not carried in a threatening Manor but lying to the dispatcher is wrong. That gets kids killed in Walmart.
Crunchy Frog
(27,297 posts)And no. I don't book mark every single wacko post that I see here.
Logical
(22,457 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Like back in the day...
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)Why hasn't he been arrested for something?
If it were a black man in a white neighborhood, they'd find something to arrest him for.
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)where it is relatively safe for himself?
Or has he been offering protective escort at night for the good folks who live there?
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)Another perfect opportunity to shame, humiliate, and bug the crap out of the wingers. A platoon of naked Grandmas following this turd around while handing out cookies would be more than the media could ignore. Plus nipples and vaginas to shock and awe our Chreestshun children to boot. Don't care if they live there or are bused in or just passing by, old naked people have a power that cannot be stopped. Then we get Joffrey-Cruz and Waterboy-Rubio, and Don't Look-Huckabee, and Loser-Trump wailing and railing about naked people all while some winger roams the streets with a damned gun. The media would barely be able to keep up with the totality of nonsense contained in one single screen-shot. And Alex Jones can start some rumor about Marxist nudists being sent in by Obama. And Benghazi and Ebola too! And Fox Spews will start their morning shows off with a meme about how only skinny good-looking people should get naked, not real Americans. So let's all start protesting naked!
Logical
(22,457 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But in hot weather proper conceal carry can be hard as even the imprint of a weapon through a t-shirt is not legal for CC even if the weapon itself is not visible.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But I am talking about the current law as it is in Oklahoma.