Woman pouts after losing gun permit for shooting at shoplifters: ‘I will never help anybody

[Photographer]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/michigan-woman-pouts-after-losing-gun-permit-for-shooting-at-shoplifters-i-will-never-help-anybody-again/



Michigan woman complained after her sentencing that she was only trying to help when she opened fire at a pair of fleeing shoplifting suspects.

Tatiana Duva-Rodriguez pleaded no contest shortly after the October shooting to reckless discharge of a firearm, and she was sentenced Wednesday to 18 months of probation.

Her concealed carry permit was also revoked until 2023.

The 46-year-old Duva-Rodriguez said she opened fire on the getaway car in a Home Depot parking lot in Auburn Hills after she heard a scream and feared the incident was worse than a theft.

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[mikeysnot]

1. She feared....

where have we head that before.....

[sarisataka]

2. I wonder why

her permit was only revoked for 8 years? She shouldn't pout, this is a slap on the wrist.

[Iggo]

10. No shit.

Less than a tenth of a gram of a party drug in your pocket? Second Amendment rights revoked for life.

Reckless discharge of an actual firearm? Eight year suspension.

Count your blessings, lady.

[Blue_Tires]

61. +1

[annabanana]

3. Jeez.. She might have been a "good guy with a gun"

If her name wasn't so, umm..... immigrantish

[Iggo]

4. "I will never help anybody again."

GOOD !!!

[Mika]

7. +10,000

Help from her? No thanks.

[jberryhill]

8. Yeah, her idea of "help" might be a little off

[Hassin Bin Sober]

9. Yep. Pew! Pew!

[phantom power]

17. Exactly. It's sweet how she thinks she was "helping."

[yuiyoshida]

64. Especially if she shot in the parking lot

and accidentally killed an innocent bystander, she be pouting in prison.

[bullwinkle428]

5. When she made the decision to start blasting away at a car leaving

the area, it never even crossed her mind that one of those bullets could have hit a kid in that car? She would have ended up spending years in prison, had that happened.

[Maedhros]

34. Forget the kid in the car, she might have hit the SHOPLIFTERS.

Since when do concealed carriers get to decide that the appropriate punishment for shoplifters is death by firearm?

[MohRokTah]

6. This is why I support required training and licensing

Minimal force necessary is the standard. It's foolish to pull a piece over somebody fleeing, let alone actually fire. Even cops aren't allowed to fire on a fleeing suspect without clear and imminent danger from the suspect.

[Hortensis]

11. +1. Let's hope 8 years is long enough for her

to get over her pout and develop better judgement, just in case proper training isn't required by then.

[upaloopa]

27. It is no fucking body's job to be a vigilante.

Wearing a gun does not give you permission to shoot people who you think are breaking the law.
Innocent lives matter more than some criminal getting away.

[Solly Mack]

12. Never help again? She didn't help anyone to begin with.

She opened fire, endangering everyone around her.

That's not help.

[MineralMan]

13. When did shoplifting become a capital offense, ma'am?

I didn't hear about that law. You don't get to shoot at fleeing shoplifters, as far as I know. Who did you think you were "helping?"

[LanternWaste]

14. Oh dear, the wrath of a righteous hero scorned.

[TreasonousBastard]

15. Too bad she doesn't reallize that...

blowing out a tire while trying to kill someone is not "helping."

It is merely a fortuitous accident that helped catch the robbers. There is no death penalty for robbery, which is just one reason for not shooting fleeing thieves.

And this was not, under any stretch of the imagination, personal protection.

[Downtown Hound]

16. LOL. Where to begin?

First of all, shoplifting is not a crime that warrants the death penalty.

"The 46-year-old Duva-Rodriguez said she opened fire on the getaway car in a Home Depot parking lot in Auburn Hills after she heard a scream and feared the incident was worse than a theft."

Oh okay, So you wouldn't have shot at shoplifters had you known that's all they were. Instead you just fired your gun at two people without really knowing what the situation was. That changes everything. Not.

"A defense attorney said Duva-Rodriguez was a “sharpshooter,” and he said society needs more people like her."

No, we most definitely do not. I prefer that people don't start shooting at people just because they hear a scream and jump to snap conclusions.

"“I tried to help, and I learned my lesson that I will never help anybody again,” she said after her sentencing."

Yes, please don't. You're lucky you didn't kill or seriously injure anybody and as far as I'm concerned you got off with a slap on the wrist. As for helping people again, there are many ways to help people without firing your gun at them. Try it sometime.

[NCjack]

18. Her lawyer appears to be a member of 'murka's scum-class. If she had kill someone, the

lawyer would have likely said she did 'murka a solid.

[Catherine Vincent]

19. Reminds me of another incident in Texas

Where some proud gun owner shot at a thief who was attempting to steal an elderly lady's purse. It was caught on video. I believe she injured the perp and he was arrested. Authorities were looking for her but I don't think they ever found her...or at least wanted to find her, so I'm betting charges were never filed. What if the guy had died? It's not like she was wanting to help the authorities or else she would have stayed at the scene to talk to them but no...she hurried up and left the scene. It her mind, a purse snatcher deserves a possible death sentence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328325/Woman-opens-fire-purse-snatcher-caught-outside-Walmart-leaves-scene-gun-police-arrive-arrest-him.html

[AZ Progressive]

20. Well I guess there you have it. If you can't ban guns, discourage using a gun

Put a whole bunch of laws that stiffly penalize using a gun and not "using the strictest amount of care" when handling or storing a gun, to discourage people from choosing a gun over other kinds of weapons or self defense methods. However, the Supreme Court is the lord of the land so it may still be nullified by the courts.

[COLGATE4]

25. You forgot to put the 'sarcasm' thing at the end of your post.

[Electric Monk]

47. I would hope so, too, but I don't think they did. They really are that kind of gunthusiast.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027433438#post9

[COLGATE4]

49. Yep. I'm afraid you're right.

[bowens43]

32. care shouldnt be required when firing a fucking gun??? really?

[uppityperson]

66. Shooting at a car because someone screamed is "self defense"? Why do you want to discourage

people from using care when handling a gun?

[AZ Progressive]

21. "I will never help anybody again"

Many people I know who tried to help other people, as well as myself, have been burned badly by them. IMO, its not just me but many people in society, which to me might explain why Americans are relatively cold and unhelpful beyond a casual degree.

[bowens43]

30. shooting at someone for shoplifting is helping??? WTF?

this kind of help no one needs

[AZ Progressive]

39. She shot the car's tires, not the suspect

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

58. Holy fuck, IT WAS A SHOPLIFTER!!!!

They could shoot out the tires and promptly cause an accident in a crowded Home Depot parking lot! Nevermind FUCKING SHOOTING A BYSTANDER!!!!

Then again, the other night you basically said if innocent people have to die for your family, so be it. Guess that applies to plywood too. Holy balls, you are a walking gungeoneer parody come true.

[Humanist_Activist]

59. You do realize that we do not live in an action movie, right?

You shoot to kill, period.

[etherealtruth]

60. Across a crowded retail parking lot

[Crunchy Frog]

44. You sound like another person whose "help"

most of us would likely prefer to do without.

[Oneironaut]

22. Who the heck thinks,

"Someone is stealing something from a multi-billion dollar corporation - I must shoot them?"

[AZ Progressive]

23. "That stupid woman, I am so much smarter than her and I would perfectly know what to do in such a

situation. I am a genius after all."

[Oneironaut]

24. You really don't have to do anything.

They were just stealing something, right? Nobody in danger? There really is no decision to make.

[AZ Progressive]

38. In the heat of the moment not everyone can think straight

Though maybe they should test people's IQ during stress as a condition for having a weapons permit.

[Crunchy Frog]

45. Sounds like an excellent idea.

[Humanist_Activist]

56. Another argument for why people shouldn't be armed with firearms.

You are on a roll.

[Downtown Hound]

29. Seriously?

I think I can safely say that I would not have fired a gun at them if I had one on me (not that I would). But then again, that's precisely why I don't carry one and have no desire to carry one. They tend to make things worse, not better (Just ask Trayvon Martin. Oh wait, you can't. He's dead).

Call me crazy but I'm just not convinced that it's worth shooting somebody over some cheap ass merchandise from a giant mega-corporation.

[Lizzie Poppet]

41. I think I can safely say the same thing.

And I probably would have had a gun on me (I'm a CCW permit holder).

But my gun isn't there to allow me to play cop. It's not there to let me rush in and "take out the bad guys" or some such bullshit fantasy. There are professionals with more and better equipment to do that. It's there to potentially defend against an immediate deadly threat to me or someone near me. It would come out of the holster if and only if getting the hell out of there wasn't an option (and hiding wasn't a viable alternative).

And beyond the obvious cost to every consumer, I don't really give a shit about shoplifting...

[hunter]

31. Tackle the idiot with the gun? Hard.

She's obviously not a cop, so she must be a terrorist.

Yes, a terrorist. And an idiot too.

[Crunchy Frog]

33. I would let law enforcement handle it.

I guess that makes me a genius.

[AZ Progressive]

37. You really think the police will be there promptly? You've never called the police then

[Crunchy Frog]

43. This was a shoplifting, not a life and death situation, and not her problem to solve.

And yes, I have called the police and gotten timely responses from them. And I haven't personally encountered the psychopathic killer types, though I realize they're out there.

[etherealtruth]

52. Who the heck thinks ... "they are across a crowded parking lot - I must shoot them?"

I am sitting ~ 5 miles from where this idiot shot across a crowded parking lot .... I am not happy. She should have received some jail time. I am thankful no one was injured or killed.

[Skittles]

62. gun humping morons

[Crunchy Frog]

26. That's insane that she's ever going to get her permit back. n/t

[bowens43]

28. this idiot should be in jail for a long long time. Probation? Really?

[Vinca]

35. The fool is fortunate she didn't kill one of them. Then she'd really have reason to pout.

[HughBeaumont]

36. There's a word for this sort of dumbass . . . .

"Whacker".

A whacker (also spelled wacker) is to law enforcement and other emergency services what a "foamer"[wp] is to railroads: an overenthusiastic amateur they wish would get the hell out of the way.

Variations on whackerdom include the small percentage of volunteer National Weather Service spotters and Skywarn volunteers who take their hobby way too seriously and deck out their vehicle with tens of thousands of dollars of weather equipment and storm chasing gear that they may not even know how to use, and the occasional person arrested for impersonating an officer who stalks drivers on the interstate and, when questioned, claims they are on a secret spy mission for the White House or CIA.[1][2] The presence of whackers among their ranks is an embarrassment to other radio hams, weather spotters, CERT volunteers, search and rescue teams and the like, who will go out of their way to avoid even the appearance of being one.

Another variation is the wannabee, someone who is not in any way involved in emergency services at all, but who wants people to think they are. Again, they tend to use their personal car or truck to do this. There is also a paramilitary version, "mall ninjas", who are always wearing camo, collect big Rambo knives (and guns, if they can get away with it), take martial arts courses, read Soldier of Fortune magazine, and fantasize about being a mercenary. Many wannabees and mall ninjas are just misunderstood teenagers going through a teen angst phase, but if this behavior continues into their 20s and 30s it is a good sign they need to get a real life.

Among emergency medical services, "Ricky Rescue" has a similar meaning.

[MrScorpio]

40. Oakland County is now a little bit safer...

Thank you very much, Your Honor.

[B Calm]

42. I wonder if in her dreams she sees herself as some kind of hero. . .Psychotic fruitcake!

[tanyev]

55. I think a lot of gun nuts must see themselves as the heroes of their very own action movies.

[tkmorris]

46. "Woman is Stupid, Universe Reacts Appropriately"

Much better headline I think.

[sanatanadharma]

48. Because when you carry a gun, there is only one way to help

When you carry a gun on you, and this is considered helpful, the ego subtly swells and sees only one sure way to help.
However, when this helpful method fails, apparently the choices are to stop being helpful at all...
... or call for more guns.

The gun makes it so easy to swell with the perception of power until reason is run-over roughshod.
Quick bad judgement bullets bloody the fabric of American. Wounding those who are the guilty, the un-guilty, and the witnesses thereto.

That witness is the spirit, soul, subtle something sense that one means to say "I am an American".
That witness harbors the black-heart of America calling for Muslim bans and beatings.

I'd hate to be growing up six, seven, eight, learning that to be an American now means killing and dying because religion, God and/or Guns!

This American heart however rejects all exclusion, otherness, them-ness, notme-ness, hate, separation, fear, ignorance, hypocrisy, deliberate obtuseness, violence, delusions of illusions of need for gun.

I am sicked that coast to coast, I see so many neighbors to whom I need not talk*, and find so many of them present as clear and present dangers (not necessarily armed) to the 21st century.

*I do not have any regressive friends. I find no evidence that regressives can be reached by reality or reason.
For them fact will not trump fiction

Humanity not gun insanity.

Need to kill, join the army!
Too frightened to live where you are without a gun, move!
Enemies everywhere, get a new life style!
Fearful, paranoid of an out to get you world, get a psychologist!

[Photographer]

51. +1000!!! Nicely said.

[KamaAina]

50. Better call her a

[Liberal_in_LA]

53. We don't need that kind of help

[Nye Bevan]

54. She would have been great as a saloon owner in the old West.

Nobody would have gotten one over on that rootin tootin shootin dame. No sir. She was born a couple of hundred of years too late.

[Humanist_Activist]

57. That's actually largely a myth, the norm back then was checking your weapons with the sheriff to...

be allowed into town at all.

There were exceptions, but remaining armed in town was considered a big no no in many places back then.

[cherokeeprogressive]

63. I'm a gun owner. These days at DU that seems to equal gun humper, gunner, gun nut, etc.

I say fuck her and the white horse she rode in on. She obviously has no idea what happens to the projectile that comes from the barrel of her gun once it bounces off pavement at a shallow angle.

She doesn't deserve a gun permit. I'm a gun owner and I NEVER carry a loaded gun ANYWHERE. I don't "carry" because I'm neither a coward nor do I fancy myself a hero.

Take this asshole's permit AND take her gun(s).

Fuck her. She's one of the reasons some people say the guns in my safe are ruining my country and putting people at risk.

Fuck her.

[Photographer]

65. +100 n /t