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Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:38 PM

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I would like to take a minute to express my concerns with the potentially damaging effect of the recent “controversial” action by the Democratic National Committee chairperson, Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz. I am writing this for GDU for several important reasons: first, I am in no sense intending to comment upon, nor discuss, the Democratic presidential primary; second, the DNC plays an important role in the party at virtually all levels -- national, state, and local; third, I believe that Ms. Wasserman Schultz may unintentionally be engaged in an action that has the potential to divide the party, and thus harm our ability to elect candidates in important elections.

The divides that are already found within the Democratic Party can, in my opinion, be viewed in at least two ways. The first, which I subscribe to, is that a certain amount of tension within the party can be a positive thing, if handled correctly. The opposite of that is when differences of opinion result in ugly in-fighting, insults, hurt feelings, and mistrust ….and these most often lead to a failure to be able to coordinate efforts. That coordination of efforts should, in theory, benefit all party members, for it is the give-and-take that victory requires. The failure to coordinate has always resulted in failure in elections.

I say this, as a person who has been a registered Democrat, since I was able to register to vote. I have voted in literally all the elections -- primaries and general; local, state, and national -- since the day I registered. In every instance that one (or more) democratic candidates have been on the ballot, I have voted Democrat. In rural, upstate New York, there are numerous village, town, and county contest where only republican and third-party candidates run; in these, obviously, voting “democrat” is not an option.

As the handful of DU community members that pays attention to my posts here knows, I have long taken an interest in uniting the local Democratic Party with non-registered Democrats who belong to the Democratic Left. In recent years, on the local level, doing so has allowed me to run a significant number of campaigns for town and county offices, and winning 90% of the time. My ability to accomplish this rate of victories has won me the attention of a few national figures, in the past fifteen years. I do not say that “bragging” -- I just hate to lose, and I believe that I have a pretty fair idea how to win elections -- even in a region that is highly republican. Indeed, there are actually more “independent” voters in my area, than Democrats.

The Democratic Party includes a wide range of good people -- in terms of “politics,” some are conservative Democrats, some are moderates, some are liberals, and some are progressives. Those definitions, in my experience, mean very different things at the local and national levels. The people who describe themselves as liberal and/or progressive in Washington, DC, are very different from my friends in rural, upstate New York. Yet, despite the differences, it is important that we recognize that we have Common Ground available to all of us. And I am not playing, when I say that this Common Ground provides the greatest safety to all of us, in a very dangerous time.

I’ve never subscribed to the theology of voting “for the lesser of two evils.” In the larger reality, I know that this is not the only option available to us. Indeed, I have never respected those who advocate this weak shit as a serious reason to support a given candidate.

Yet, again as the few who read my essays here know, I am convinced that our nation is confronted with some of the greatest threats that humanity has ever faced. I am willing to acknowledge that my spiritual belief system influences my thinking on this socio-political conflict. It’s not that I attribute any individual significance to what I view as pathetic, weak human beings such as a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz. No! These are mere shells of human beings!

Rather, I recognize the crowds that assign their hatred to such candidates. It is the “crowd” that poses the real danger. Obviously, I am very far from alone in warning of this danger. Others have pointed out, for example, that history doesn’t “repeat” -- but that human beings sure as hell do! And human history provides so very many examples of when people have failed to take steps towards progress ….and when the results have been, well, as terrible as if republicand gained full control of government in 2016.

I am sure that at least a few forum members support Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s recent action. The DU:GD- Primaries forum shows that the republicans do not have a monopoly on anger and hatred. But, tonight, I speak to you as human beings, members of the larger community of people in the United States. I do not care -- nor d I think it is important -- what candidate you support in any of the up-coming elections. Even if your value system id different than my own …..even if your agenda and goals are distinct from my own …… I believe whole-heartedly that we are on DU:GD at this time for similar reasons, in the larger sense. And that includes winning as many contests -- local, state, and national -- as possible in 2016.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s recent action threatens to divide our party, at a time we can not afford that division. Wasserman Shultz’s actions threaten ro divide the loyalties of good, sincere, solidly Democratic voters, at the very time that we can least afford it, Thus, I am asking all people of good will tio contact the DNC, and ask them to act immediately on an issue that threatens not only our Democratic Party -- but our entire nation.

The DNC asks for our support -- our time, our money, and our votes. It is time we ask for them to take steps required to unite our party.

Is that too much to ask?

H2O Man

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H2O Man Dec 2015 OP
daleanime Dec 2015 #1
H2O Man Dec 2015 #3
Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #39
Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #2
H2O Man Dec 2015 #4
KentuckyWoman Dec 2015 #5
H2O Man Dec 2015 #6
shraby Dec 2015 #7
H2O Man Dec 2015 #8
Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #9
H2O Man Dec 2015 #15
840high Dec 2015 #10
H2O Man Dec 2015 #16
Iwillnevergiveup Dec 2015 #11
H2O Man Dec 2015 #19
haikugal Dec 2015 #55
zentrum Dec 2015 #12
H2O Man Dec 2015 #21
zentrum Dec 2015 #57
Hekate Dec 2015 #13
H2O Man Dec 2015 #25
raouldukelives Dec 2015 #14
H2O Man Dec 2015 #26
Scuba Dec 2015 #17
H2O Man Dec 2015 #27
lonestarnot Dec 2015 #18
H2O Man Dec 2015 #33
B Calm Dec 2015 #20
H2O Man Dec 2015 #34
Sensitive soul Dec 2015 #22
H2O Man Dec 2015 #36
Sensitive soul Dec 2015 #46
Octafish Dec 2015 #23
H2O Man Dec 2015 #43
boston bean Dec 2015 #24
B Calm Dec 2015 #29
boston bean Dec 2015 #30
B Calm Dec 2015 #31
H2O Man Dec 2015 #32
boston bean Dec 2015 #35
alarimer Dec 2015 #37
boston bean Dec 2015 #40
H2O Man Dec 2015 #42
boston bean Dec 2015 #47
dhill926 Dec 2015 #49
H2O Man Dec 2015 #50
dhill926 Dec 2015 #52
H2O Man Dec 2015 #54
leftofcool Dec 2015 #28
bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #38
H2O Man Dec 2015 #44
onecaliberal Dec 2015 #41
H2O Man Dec 2015 #45
onecaliberal Dec 2015 #48
H2O Man Dec 2015 #53
onecaliberal Dec 2015 #63
Egnever Dec 2015 #51
H2O Man Dec 2015 #59
Egnever Dec 2015 #64
mmonk Dec 2015 #56
H2O Man Dec 2015 #60
G_j Dec 2015 #58
H2O Man Dec 2015 #61
bullwinkle428 Dec 2015 #62

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:56 PM

1. If I felt that the DNC provide something equal to what they ask for....no.....

Problem is, I'm not sure that they do. They seem far more interested suppressing opposing opinions then advancing the party.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:04 AM

3. Right.

I've long supported the DNC. But, I cannot in good faith now.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:50 PM

39. Fully agree with your essay.

Might be a tad further to the left of you,but during my stints with campaigns back in Minny,like you we depended on DNC and other National Data Sources to find funds or find Elected Individuals to come in for a fund raiser. Just knew something was about to explode. Figured Wasserman-Schultz was going to push back after the tons of requests for her to step aside. Many with knowledge of her past history in Florida have mentioned her ability to silence her critics.

Is the DNC trying to form the Dems into a Party of the 1%? Sure as hell appears that way.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:02 AM

2. Wasserman Schultz should resign. Her actions have hurt Clinton, hurt Sanders, and hurt the party

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:05 AM

4. I agree.

I do not tend to individualize politics. But, in this case, I believe she hurts the party.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:16 AM

5. I'm a "know nothing" and even I was shocked.

Supposedly it was a DNC glitch that allowed someone access to Clinton's private notes which is bothersome. Then they cut off a major candidate from all access rather than just take the hit for poor security?

This should have been handled internally, not publicly.


Thanks for the post....k and r

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Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:18 AM

6. Thanks!

This has been "handled" in the worst possible way. And it hurts the whole party.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:51 AM

7. K&R. As usual, you nailed it as no one else can. I agree whole heartedly.

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Response to shraby (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:17 AM

8. Thanks, Buddy!

Much appreciated!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:13 AM

9. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, H2O Man.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:29 AM

15. Thanks, Uncle Joe!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:29 AM

10. Big k/r

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:30 AM

16. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:36 AM

11. Well said, H2O Man

and I think you speak for a LOT of us!

K&R

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Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:08 PM

19. Thank you.

I think it is accurate to say that Debbie Wasserman Schultz represents a specific segment of the Democratic Party. I do not think she does an effective job, not only for her favored group, but certainly not for the rest of us. I think she is a pompous, arrogant individual, who I neither respect, nor trust.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:27 PM

55. There it is...and I thank you H2O Man.

Well written post, as usual. I don't share your political experience but intuit your intention. I agree and will do everything I possibly can to advance, create or engender a positive way forward. We must move forward, now, we are quickly losing the opportunity to have a positive impact on the future.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:45 AM

12. DWS is also

......alienating many new, young Democrats by marginalizing and blocking a candidate they are passionately excited about. These young voters are the future of our party. Making them distrustful drives them to apathy---or a third party. Not what the DNC should be doing.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:13 PM

21. I agree.

The other day, I posted an essay about my youngest daughter, and her friends from high school and college. They are representative of the future of the Democratic Party. And it's not just in the context of presidential elections that they are vital. Long before she was old enough to register to vote, my daughter, her sister, and brothers were helping run the local party HQ ....making phone calls, going door-to-door, etc.

Politics ain't a pillow fight. But we do not want gutter tactics used during our primaries.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:49 PM

57. Exactly.

Long before they are of age to vote, they like to get involved and feel they are making a real contribution. Good on you and your kids!

The Machine is endangering the Party.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:03 AM

13. Kicking, H2O Man.

Much to consider in your post.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:27 PM

25. Thank you, Friend!

I'd like to think that my experiences with social-political activism have enough value that I have something worthwhile to add to the discussions here. It's funny: in "local" politics, a number of people that I've worked with in the past few years have told me that they were surprised to find I was easy to work with -- because, somehow, I have a reputation as a "radical leftist" -- whatever that means to them.

Yet, the only people that I've had conflicts with are shitheads like Sidney's Town Supervisor Bob McCarthy (who attempted to force a tiny Sufi settlement to destroy their perfectly legal cemetery, a struggle that made national and international news), and NYS senator Tom Libous (a chihuahua who sought the comfort of the Koch brothers' lap). McCarthy was kicked out of the state's tea party, and Libous was convicted in federal court for being a petty gangster.

Wasserman Schultz is one of the very few Democrats that I find unacceptably toxic. I have no more faith in her, than in McCarthy or Libous.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:14 AM

14. The "crowd" always wants the America they learned about in school.

Trouble is, that America never really existed anywhere but in someones whitewashed daydreams.

The only thing that has ever made me "left" was my desire for knowing and subsequently addressing reality.

It saddens me that just that simple desire, living in reality, honestly facing our problems, is eschewed and outright denied by the same forces today as yesterday.

That the same people today, still desiring to live in reality, are still painted as fringe. Just for knowing that the truth is still out there and deserves to be heard.

I hope and pray for a day that just accepting and addressing reality is the center of our political dial. Only then can we begin to honestly address our shortcomings as well as our strengths.


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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:28 PM

26. Well said.

Thank you.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:50 AM

17. K&R

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:28 PM

27. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:52 AM

18. Nice H2O Man.

 

K & R!

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:35 PM

33. Thank you.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:11 PM

20. Great Post, K&R!

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:35 PM

34. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:21 PM

22. I knew

As soon as I saw the news that there would be a great post here! Agree whole heartedly. I only wish your comments reached further than this forum.
-K

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Response to Sensitive soul (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:46 PM

36. Well, thank you!

And today, your wish comes true! I network with a large, but low-key group of social-political activists that focuses almost entirely upon the grass roots level. The essays that I post here that I think are important get around.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #36)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:16 PM

46. Good to hear!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:23 PM

23. Excellent observation.

In unity is strength. To a united Democratic Party, the one thing I'd add is vision: we need intelligent leadership of integrity.

The nation and planet are facing problems that require more than those who "go along to get along."

No offense to anybody with a D, but excellence is required at the top -- not the mediocre "Gosh, they really aren't any smarter than the PTA board" and especially not the merely connected.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:03 PM

43. Right.

There are always going to be individuals who mistake their agenda as defining the DNC and Democratic Party. Some hold offices, having been either elected or appointed. Others inhabit internet discussion sites, and attempt to disrupt each and every discussion that other Democrats are engaged in, that doesn't fit their needs. We witness that childish behavior here, all too frequently.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:25 PM

24. You're going to leave the democratic party because Bernie's campaign people stole anothers campaign

data. And the DNC reacted to that breach?

ok, whatever floats your boat.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:31 PM

29. As a whole, we cannot afford anymore division in the party.

 

Does President Donald Trump sound good to you?

Bernie fired the guy.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:32 PM

30. I'm not leaving the party... but some others are... speak to them.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:34 PM

31. I think I just did!

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:34 PM

32. Please do not respond

to those attempting to hijack this discussion, and make it about the presidential primaries. I appreciate your help in this. Other than is individual post, everyone else has been respectful enough to focus on the topic of the OP; this post is a sad attempt to get the OP/thread "locked" .....nothing more, nothing less.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:39 PM

35. Well, your OP isn't very supportive of the DNC and pretty much castigates the Chairwoman.

I'm not sure how you would think that wasn't divisive?

Hold out money, support, etc.

Sounds just the opposite bringing people together.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:47 PM

37. They deserve it.

They serve the bidding of one person. They want one particular person to win. They have an agenda. They are not interested in helping others win in all 50 states, on the local level, the way Howard Dean was (and which worked, by the way). They are not interested in a healthy primary competition.

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Response to alarimer (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:50 PM

40. Right, this thread aint about DATA breaches and the DNCs reaction and the Primary... wokay!

This thread belongs in GDP, no GD.

Wonder why the poster is so averse to putting the post in the proper place.

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Response to alarimer (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:59 PM

42. Please do not

contribute to the effort to hi-jack this OP/thread. It's not about the presidential primary -- as I made very clear in the OP.

No rational person mistakes Debbie Wasserman Schultz for the DNC or Democratic Party. She is merely one member -- clearly, one with too much power, as she is acting in a manner destructive to the party.

Thank you.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:16 PM

47. LOL. why don't you post this in the forum it belongs.

We all know you are talking about Bernie's campaign stealing data and DWS shutting off their access to the database.

You think that it was wrong for DWS to do so. Therefore the lengthy post. But for some reason you don't want to post in GDP... ok, whatever floats your boat.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:55 PM

49. where did he say he was leaving the party...

if anything, he wants to make it stronger....

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Response to dhill926 (Reply #49)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:04 PM

50. Please ignore this

and other attempts to derail the discussion of the OP/thread.

It's said that a little rain falls in every person's life. I have a few folks on this forum who have no interest in engaging in a civil conversation with me. No biggie!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:08 PM

52. yep...

this place has become uncomfortably weird...

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Response to dhill926 (Reply #52)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:15 PM

54. Right!

First -- thank you. I'm happy when people like you respond in a way that lets me know that you understand exactly what I was saying in the OP. It's entirely focused upon building the Democratic Party. Thus, when any specimen responds that I need to leave the party, there's no sense in even engaging in conversation with them.

Second, I definitely agree that this forum has some curious nonsense going on. That cannot possibly benefit the Democratic Party.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:30 PM

28. Nothing about theft, eh?

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:48 PM

38. K&R #80 Thanks for this thread Patrick! n/t

 

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Response to bobthedrummer (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:06 PM

44. Thanks!

Much appreciated.

Our nation faces far too serious of problems, for us to be wasting energy on toxic in-fighting among Democrats.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:53 PM

41. Thanks for this!

DWS, is clearly diving the party with her biased decisions that benefit only one candidate.
The veil has definitely been lifted and I loathe what I see.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #41)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:12 PM

45. Her entire time

as the head of the DNC has been troubling, in my opinion. She should have been replaced long ago. She utterly lacks the ability to unite the party, and that will not play well in the upcoming elections for the House, Senate, and within individual states.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #45)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:42 PM

48. Agree.

They have vastly underestimated the disappointment and sheer rage people are feeling about the status quo.
The sad thing is, if the shellacking of the last 2 elections didn't send a message, clearly nothing will. The corporate owners are not about to give up their power and access to ever more $. We will have to seize it from them.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #48)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:10 PM

53. In the past decade,

I've been able to organize successfully, in a four-county region, members of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Left, and even some registered republicans who are repulsed by their party. We've put together a number of election victories. Some loses, too, but far more victories.

I do not want those from the Democratic Left to mistake DWS for the Democratic Party ....or, for those republicans to think the Democratic Party is as corrupt as the republican party. DWS's actions continue to make grass roots organizing more difficult than it should be.

I am aware, of course, that much of it is purposeful: for it will only be when the grass roots exercises its potential power, that the corrupt people in "higher" places will lose their power.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #53)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:35 PM

63. It's true, we are the people we've been waiting for.

We're many and the monied interests are few. I hope a hell of a lot more people realize that before it is too late.
We need someone like you to had the DNC. Someone who can bring people together.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:05 PM

51. What concerns me the most about this whole thing

 

Is our candidates are forced to pay the DNC for access to those databases. That just boggled my mind when I read it. Politics is big business apparently. Our system is so freaking broken.

I was under the impression that the DNC was there to support Dem candidates and get Dems elected the fact that they charge the candidates for access makes me want to punch someone.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #51)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:48 PM

59. Right.

I am troubled by the DNC's action, as it prevented voters -- the grass roots -- from hearing from a candidate. And that is an essential part of politics -- the ability of the grass roots to communicate with politicians. I'm not limiting that to presidential candidates: the grass roots deserves full access to communications with every politician.

Too frequently, DWS appears to believe that she is the Democratic Party, and that the grass roots is obligated to send donations, invest time in campaigns, and vote for the candidates she designates. I'm not fond of self-appointed "royalty."

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #59)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:55 PM

64. Agreed

 

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:33 PM

56. I agree 100% and said so twice since it happened.

This is the wrong time in history to pull this stuff by the DNC given that this is one of the more radical Republican Party(s) we have faced.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #56)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:51 PM

60. Absolutely.

DWS should be trying to unite the Democratic Party. In fact, she should be attempting to showcase the party as the most logical option for independent voters, too. But she seems incapable of recognizing that she isn't the party's boss -- that she is supposed to work for the party.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:53 PM

58. Thank You!!

I'm so glad you're still here!

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Response to G_j (Reply #58)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:52 PM

61. Thanks!

DU is likely stuck with me for the foreseeable future!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:52 PM

62. K&R. The whispers about "being in the tank" have now completely

been illustrated for all the world to see. Please no "clown cars" on the Democratic side!

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