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Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:36 PM

Woman Said she Redirected Tornado to Another Neighborhood When God Gave her authority over winds

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/texas-christian-claims-she-diverted-tornado-to-another-neighborhood-god-had-given-us-authority-over-the-winds/
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Texas woman says her Christian faith gave her the power to redirect a tornado away from her home.

Sabrina Lowe, of Rowlett, said 10 family members were visiting her apartment Saturday when they heard the distinctive train noise of the approaching tornado, reported NPR.

“We actually went outside and started commanding the winds, because God had given us authority over the winds, the airways,” Lowe said.

Just wow.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:39 PM

1. .

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:40 PM

2. No more bizarre or crazy as other religious beliefs.

From where I stand. ALL religious beliefs are as absurd as this.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:49 PM

17. No kidding!

"Serve one another in love." Talk about absurd. Absolutely bizarre AND crazy. Don't even get me started on that feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, or housing the homeless. As if! People that do that are the very height of absurdity, and should be given a wide berth.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:20 PM

25. +1

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:25 PM

32. How do you feel about that woman steering the tornado away from her home and...

 

...towards the homes of other people?

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:32 PM

35. How do I feel?

I feel a lawsuit coming on...

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:00 PM

45. I would expect no less from simpletons

Who have fooled themselves, along with many others, into believing they are genuine Christians.

Didn't Christ teach, "Avoid thine own misfortunes and miseries by first inflicting them on others"?

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Response to Hayduke Bomgarte (Reply #45)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:41 PM

78. Hey this is the DFW area

Home to countless mega churches, and way more than our share of televangelist, money grubbing end-timers AND this state is proud as punch to have launched Ted Cruz.

There are plenty around here willing to fool simpletons.


Now, please excuse me while I go throw up.

Peace

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Response to Hayduke Bomgarte (Reply #45)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:33 PM

82. "Genuine Christians"? Really?

Only those YOU determine are "genuine Christians" are?

You better tell about a billion or so people that they aren't "genuine Christians."

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #82)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:51 PM

89. Out of countless people I've met in my 52 years

Who are self professed Christians, I'd estimate that as many as 3 to 5 actually walk the walk.

The rest? Well those would be like my sister in law, an aunt and a co-worker who donate a couple dented cans of unwanted veggies to food drives once or twice a year. They vote for the repub candidates who made their careers doing the very opposite of what their precious Jesus teaches, in the form of inflicting suffering on the poor, the elderly, the infirm, even the children they profess to care so deeply for, in the form of budget cuts to food, heating, housing assistance, the denial of medical care. Especially when the savings of those cuts is too often passed along as tax breaks to folks who already sit on more wealth than they could burn through in 10 lifetimes. Their votes are tantamount to hiring the elected officials to inflict these miseries, in direct conflict to what the bible teaches, and to do it in THEIR names as THEIR representatives. They're fine with that concept or they wouldn't vote that way. If you hire someone to commit a murder for you. you are legally and morally responsible. If you hire, ( vote for) someone to starve children, freeze the needy and elderly, you are also morally responsible and are in no way a genuine Christian.

Then there are the ones who insist gay marriage/life style is an abomination,and condemn those engaging in it while eating their ham dinners. Leviticus lists both as abominations, as well as things like laboring on the sabbath or have tattoos. These pious people mow yards on sundays, eat pork, in the form of BBQ, or on the 2 holiest if Christian days, Christmas and Easter, settling in for traditional baked ham dinners. These are the genuine Christians which you speak of? The ones who cherry pick which biblical "rules/laws" they'll live by and which ones YOU should live by? Please.

The routine hypocrisies displayed by such people aren't worth mention, being so obvious and numerous. The calls for prayers for elected officials to die horribly in plane crashes or slow, painful cancerous deaths cannot be described as genuinely Christian in any fashion connected to reality. Yes, I see and hear these types of things around me all the time. The prayers for a horrible end times to come soon and be mostly visited on those who differ from them. Michelle Bachman? Christian? LOL!

I suggest that anyone who attended sunday school/church as a kid knows the bible says when the time comes, few will be called. I understand how easy it must be to fool oneself, and other like/weak minded folks, into believing they are genuine, but they certainly are not.

Viewed in that light, which I can't help but do, the idea of a billion genuine Christians is laughable. It's my long considered opinion and conviction that there aren't more than a relative handful worldwide. Claiming to be one does not make it so and the vast bulk of the ones I encounter make the claim, but that's all.



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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #82)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:21 PM

95. Pardon me for the 2nd reply, but

In my eagerness to qualify my remarks I failed to address what you actually said in your reply.

It seems you may be implying that I just arbitrarily make a determination who is genuine or phony. Nope. Sorry. I go by actions and words exhibited. War mongering members of Congress/Senate who make the claim and the public at large which vote for and support them. No. Hell no. Jimmy Carter? I'd say genuine. PBO, who I voted for twice and mostly support even now and who makes the claim? Nah. Or the KKK, which has at times purported to be a Christian organization? Come on. The white supremacist gun humpers, who make the claim, and who then shoot up planned parent-hoods and abortion clinics and their supporters? No. Pat Robertson or any of his televangical contemporaries? The very notion any one of them is or ever was genuine makes me giggle convulsively.

As far as telling a billion or so people that they are fakes and why? Given a platform to speak from that would command the attention of those billion, I'd relish the opportunity and try my best to make the most of it. However given their short attention spans, lack of focus and complete inability to exercise independent thought, given my experiences, it'd do little good.

Like my sister in law, my aunt and my co-worker, who all eat pork, labor on the sabbath and sport tattoos, they will see the glaring hypocrisies of others while failing or refusing to recognize their own, they just won't get it.

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Response to Hayduke Bomgarte (Reply #95)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:59 AM

100. TL;DR

If someone says they're a christian, then they're christian.

It's not rocket science, it's religion.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #100)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:16 PM

101. Not so much!

That's really a low standard to go by!

For one thing a Christian is defined as "someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ", there are many who claim the title, but fail even that simple definition!

But, you are free to have your opinion, just as others are free to have their opinions!


Even religion has standards!

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #101)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:19 PM

104. Religion has no standard other than belief.

Everything else is other believers trying to dictate if said belief is good enough or not.

Just like you and your friend are doing here.

YOU don't get to decide who is and isn't a believer, only the one saying they believe gets to do that.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #100)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:10 PM

102. Right

Then if I say I'm an astronaut, then I'm an astronaut. I expect to be taken at my word.

And speaking of religion, I also currently serve as an assistant Pope.

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Response to Hayduke Bomgarte (Reply #102)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:17 PM

103. Astronauts, like most professions, require education, training and experience.

Being a believer of a religion takes only belief.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #103)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:21 PM

105. Yeah, but not actually

following or living by the teachings of the bible.

I believe in unicorns, flying elephants and ghosts, so by your reasoning they are real. Gotcha.

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Response to Hayduke Bomgarte (Reply #105)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:33 PM

108. Your irony meter is broken.

If you cannot see the absurdity in your position, further discussion is futile.

Unicorns are just as real as your God.


The "teachings" of the bible are a personal interpretation, not a universal understanding. That's why there are thousands of different sects of Christianity; everyone has their own interpretations
Of what the bible means to them.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #108)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:40 PM

110. further discussion is futile

Aha. Finally a single point we can agree on.

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Response to Hayduke Bomgarte (Reply #110)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:52 PM

112. Thanks for that.

At least I know that you can use reason.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #112)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:58 PM

113. That makes one of us

So thanks for that.

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Response to Hayduke Bomgarte (Reply #113)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:59 PM

114. When you compare unicorns to God, but only believe one exists...

Reason has not been used at all.


So thanks for the compliment.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #114)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:03 PM

120. Uh

I not only made no such comparison, but also never once mentioned God, as such, as anyone capable of reading at an 8th grade level would easily and immediately recognize.

Reading comprehension has not been used at all.

Apologies for the length of time in responding. I had pressing Asst. Pope duties to attend to.

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Response to Hayduke Bomgarte (Reply #120)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:14 PM

121. Wait. We're discussing belief in a god, you make the reference to unicorns

That if you believe in them, they must be real, and I respond with they are just as real as your God. You then ignore your own comparison.

I took your unicorn comment to be sarcasm. Was I wrong?

If it was sarcasm, why is belief in unicorns any more absurd than belief in a god?

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #121)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:51 PM

124. And I thought we were debating who is or isn't a genuine Christian

As I recall, you made the assertion that if one has the faith in the assumption that one is a genuine Christian, one is. Simple as that, not rocket science, I believe is how you phrased it. I never intended to call into question anyones belief in God, only self proclaimed Christians devotion and sincerity, which I percieve as lacking in the vast majority of those self procalimed. I stand by that.

I believe one can believe in God, yet not follow the teachings of Christ, conduct ones self in a thoroughly hypocritical manner in the ways I described and more, and fool themselves and others into honestly believing they are genuine Christians, when they are decidedly and demonstrably not.

That's been my position through this entire back and forth. And as I said earlier, it is said in the good book, I'm told though not sure of the wording, when the time comes, FEW will be called. Few and billion do not reconcile in that context, or in any other context I can imagine. My issue and amusement stem from your contention that there are a billion "genuine bona fide Christians" and that they are genuine because they believe they are genuine, even though the words and actions of the vast majority, in my experience, show they are not. Either way, few and billion are at far opposite ends of any conceivable spectrum and are not and cannot be synonymous. Therefore if few will be called it will not and can not amount to anywhere near a billion.

Is it possible that we've each failed to fully understand the others position and have been arguing based on faulty perceptions?



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Response to Hayduke Bomgarte (Reply #124)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:31 PM

125. If you are accusing someone of not being a "genuine Christian" then you most certainly are

questioning their belief in their God.

That's the thing about religious belief; if you believe it, there's nothing anyone else can say whether you are a "genuine" believer or not.

That's why there are so many sects of each religion; people like you didn't agree with how others chose to live their faith so they started a new denomination. To say someone is not a "genuine Christian" smacks of arrogance and condescension, and demonstrates an inability to understand exactly how or why other believe differently than you.

And those same folks you don't consider "genuine Christians" don't consider YOU one either.

I take it you're a believer, and consider yourself a "genuine Christian". Have you ever heard of the No True Scotsman fallacy? I think you should look it up.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #125)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:55 PM

130. Remember the saying about rational thought and religion

It goes something like this:
It is not possible to have a rational discussion with religious people. If they were capable of rational thought, they would not be religious.

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Response to Blecht (Reply #130)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:10 PM

133. I couldn't agree more.

But I do try. Occasionally, the light comes on for one of them.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #100)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:08 PM

137. OK, then. I' m Batman.

Hey- It must be true, cause I said it.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #137)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:29 PM

142. Yeah, being batman is the same as believing in a god.

Yet another one that can't see past their privilege.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:11 PM

52. Ya know how I feel?

I feel she needs to find the nearest psych hospital and check herself in. That woman's not quite right in the head.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:54 PM

140. Who cares? She is nuts. nt

 

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:00 PM

61. Yeah, on the pain of eternal punishment and torture if you don't.

Either religious people do it for that reason (not getting punishment), in which case I don't quite see it as very noble; or they would do it regardless of their religious beliefs, in which case the religion is irrelevant.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:19 PM

63. Sure, because those things are exclusive to religion, amirite?

Oh wait, they're not. Only the absurd beliefs in the supernatural are.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #63)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:39 PM

70. You were the one who said ALL

Also, if you think a belief in exercising personal power over a tornado is exclusive to religious persons, I'd say you need to get out more.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #70)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:21 PM

74. Sure, but belief in the absurd is the one shared characteristic of religious belief.

Being good to others isn't a belief, nor is it religious, it's a behavior.

Belief in dead people coming back to life, miracles, power over tornadoes....all religious, all absurd.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #74)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:25 PM

85. So you have this power?

You can determine when a person's religious beliefs inform their behavior or when their behavior is independent of any religious belief or practices? Amazing! One might almost say mystical or miraculous.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #85)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:33 AM

99. We all have it.

What makes it super easy is when they say their religion informs their behavior, like the woman in the OP did.

Or when one fiercely defends religion from critique, much like you're doing.


Have a nice day!

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #99)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:03 PM

115. Well I know one person who has that power...




And I am quite sure her Cousin has it too...



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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #115)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:17 PM

118. The power of bad breath?

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #118)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:19 PM

119. super breath

icy cold...it could freeze your beer!!

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:57 PM

81. That's humanity not religion

 

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:22 PM

27. Where you're standing must be enshrouded in fog.

 

I doubt you are truly unable to distinguish between the Beatitudes and controlling weather. No rational person is.

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Response to rug (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:33 PM

94. Same imaginary friend as far as I can tell.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:41 PM

55. crazy?

 

do not kill

be kind

...

paint with that big brush often?

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Response to SoLeftIAmRight (Reply #55)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:20 PM

64. Those are ideas exclusive to religion?

Uhm, no, they're not. Just the absurd beliefs in the supernatural are.

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Response to SoLeftIAmRight (Reply #55)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:43 PM

67. Throughout history religion has led to more deaths than anything else.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #67)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:32 PM

75. I'll take WW2 (80MM) and Genghis Khan (120 MM).

 

Your turn.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:40 PM

3. So she helped kill 11 people

I don't understand how someone could brag about this

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Response to RockaFowler (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:27 PM

34. Right! She steered the storm away from her place right into other people's homes and she got...

 

...11 people killed and she's bragging about it!

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Response to RockaFowler (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:50 PM

68. She hasn't thought this through.

Which, obviously, is the reason she believes she has this kind of power. She doesn't "think."

Is she Vayu?

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Response to RockaFowler (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:44 PM

79. My thoughts exactly.

But apparently, God only cares about HER family (and probably her sports team, her country, etc).

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Response to RockaFowler (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:50 PM

88. I guess she figures she out-prayed those 11 souls...

... and so they kind of deserved it? I don't know. Have to be some kind of narcissist to think like that.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:41 PM

4. Wow. Just wow.

Of course, the trade-off is that she directed them elsewhere, where they killed other people. Kind of like Ben Carson telling the Popeye's robbers that they wanted to threaten the clerk, not him. Good Christians all.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:41 PM

5. Charming...

why not just make it fade away instead of directing violence towards innocent people?

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:42 PM

6. Why aren't these people classified as mentally ill?

Is it because we have been programmed to accept religious views as mainstream and normal regardless of how cuckoo they are?

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:46 PM

15. Yes. Yes it is. It's exactly because of that.

Which is why sensible people must never fall for the bleating complaints that "harmless" religious make-believe should be held above reproach and criticism and ridicule. Because giving into that makes room for the theocrazies to claim the same respect. Respect is earned. Make-believe deserves none as an adult modus operandi.

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Response to whatthehey (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:27 PM

33. Let me follow this:

 

You consider this woman to be the vanguard of theocracy?

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Response to rug (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:48 PM

40. No reason to know one way or the other

But I do know her statements show a level of delusion that, were it not based in religion, would warrant at the very least total and complete rejection from all quarters and quite probably serious consideration of mental health needs. The fact that it and others of the same ilk are not routinely treated like that outside some left-leaning internet forums like this one is precisely why those who definitely are on the vanguard of theocracy get to keep pushing their anti-science bronze age regressive nonsense onto a supposedly secular society, because almost everyone is too scared of the usual vicious Christian backlash, or too cowed by convention-driven "respect" for religious claptrap, to call a delusion a delusion.



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Response to whatthehey (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:53 PM

42. You consider it even feasible that this woman is the vanguard of theocracy?

 

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Response to rug (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:54 PM

43. I have no idea of her influence or involvement in any movements. Do you?

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Response to whatthehey (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:57 PM

44. I have an idea what actual theocracy is.

 

She ain't it.

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Response to rug (Reply #44)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:05 PM

49. Agreed there. But then I never made that claim did I?

She is a deluded idiot however, or do you find her claims credible?

She should be treated as a deluded idiot, as should anyone who makes such patently absurd claims of magical murder, or do you find her attitude either believable or laudable?

People who do seek a US theocracy should likewise be treated when they make deluded and idiotic statements, or do you either believe no one wants theocracy in the US or that they are not deluded idiots?


Those are my opinions clearly stated. I wonder if you could share yours equally clearly about the truth, laudability and desirability of either her statements or theocracy in the US, or both? I bet not.


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Response to whatthehey (Reply #49)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:40 PM

71. What you did say (which I consider opinion not a claim) was:

 

The fact that it and others of the same ilk are not routinely treated like that outside some left-leaning internet forums like this one is precisely why those who definitely are on the vanguard of theocracy get to keep pushing their anti-science bronze age regressive nonsense onto a supposedly secular society,

(pause for cigarette break)

because almost everyone is too scared of the usual vicious Christian backlash, or too cowed by convention-driven "respect" for religious claptrap, to call a delusion a delusion.

You seem miffed at "left-leaning internet forums like this one". Why is that?

To answer your questions, I wouldn't call her deluded any more than I would call that statement deluded. Whether she is mentally ill or not, I leave to professionals. I suspect she's gullible, ignorant and needy. Just mho of course.

As to theocracy, its core component is political and social control through the harnessing of religion. To what end? Hint: it's not salvation. In any event, it will not appear riding on the backs of some poor woman cursing clouds. It begins with the classification of humans into groups, proceeds to demonizing one or more of those groups, and is consolidated by elevating those within the selected groups. By all measures, this woman is counterproductive to that end.

Now, how much did you bet?

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:29 PM

92. Pretty much, yes

 

When people say they hear a voice in their head, and do what it tells them, we usually classify them as mentally ill, unless they call the voice "god" or "jesus", in which case people think it's just wonderful and defer to them obsequiously.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:42 PM

7. Well I hope the victims sue her

 


With a jury from those parts, they might win.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:28 PM

66. She willfully, out of self-protection asked God to save her even if it causes other deaths.

The victims might have a chance.


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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:43 PM

8. Religion had nothing to do with this

It's either mental illness or lack of social support alternatives.


Religion cannot make you do stupid things according to DU, even when religious people give religious reasons for their actions. They are simply misguided.


Poe is becoming Moebius.

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Response to whatthehey (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:46 PM

13. Heh, had me going for a sec...

Too true. They were probably not True Scotsmen anyway.

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Response to whatthehey (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:24 PM

31. In that case, I will not attribute your post to religion.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:49 PM

41. And you would be right not to.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:43 PM

9. I have authority over the winds too

 


Go ahead, pull my finger.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:45 PM

10. That's no act of God, I can tell you that much.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:07 PM

21. Hmmm... Would a sulfur smell be involved?

 

Whatever that is, it ain't divine...

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:46 PM

11. OK..........

So.........does this mean that God likes this lady better than the people in the neighborhood the redirected tornado ended up in? Because those people suffered mightily. Tornadoes suck. Both figuratively and literally.

Seems like instead of just redirecting the tornado into another neighborhood, maybe she should have used that 'authority' to calm the winds for everyone.

Just a thought. But I guess most Christians these days don't think about other people quite so much unless they are a target for conversion. The harvesting of souls, you know. And, as to salvation, it is not considered to be collective in this perversion of what the faith probably was once. Salvation is now individual - the person says a 'sinner's prayer' and then is guaranteed entry into heaven.

But...what about the state of our earth now? Doesn't that mean something? And what about all the economic and social violence? The abject poverty, the wars? Shouldn't 'salvation' be collective, and shouldn't it be for all of us right now, right here?

Just saying...

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:55 PM

20. ^^^That^^^. Yes, and yes!

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:28 PM

91. "Chosen people" and "elite of God" goes back a long way

From Genesis on it's all about God picking the winners and losers. Jews in the old testament were told to kill everything living thing in a certain village and then take it over countless times. American fundies consider themselves the favored ones just like the Jews of the old testament.

Unfortunately I understand this bunch better than I'd like.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:46 PM

12. This woman doesn't even have power over her own mind

She's a delusional freak who thinks that she controls the weather.

If God gave her authority over the winds, why didn't she simply stop the tornado?

She does realize that her special power killed several people? What does her God have to say about that? I suppose they deserved it, or God just wanted them up in heaven.

Oh brother...

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:51 PM

18. For her next trick she will turn herself into a firetruck

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:46 PM

14. I've

I've got authority over winds and all it gets me are pained expressions from my wife and cats.

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Response to ryan_cats (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:42 PM

38. hate it when someone not only beats me to a joke but has a better punchline

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:48 PM

16. Pat Robertson would be so proud.




Just be sure to send him an appropriate "love offering" for using his powers by proxy.


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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:54 PM

19. Ewwwwww... nt

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:13 PM

22. lock her up for murder then. these types of stories truly disgust me.

When I used to watch TV, local news always had this "god spared me" stuff when the neighbors got killed. don't get me started....just incredible narcissism - toxically blended with religion.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:18 PM

24. Narcissism combined with religion equals a toxic compost heap of a society.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:17 PM

23. Geeze.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:22 PM

26. Clearly, she's been skipping her lithium dosages. nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:24 PM

30. Hey!

Don't have to be bipolar or schizo to be crazy you know. Lot's of people achieve it without a biological disorder!

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:30 AM

98. More like overdosing on religion.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:22 PM

28. Government-approved insanity frightens me. nt

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:23 PM

29. Sounds like she can't control her own wind.

 

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:36 PM

36. Twister Sister.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:36 PM

37. sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you are one....latter in this case

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:43 PM

39. Well isn't that special.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:00 PM

46. Cuckoo for cocoa puffs.. n/t

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:02 PM

47. and the "experts" tell you to take shelter

this lady knows the real way to deal with tornados: take control of the wind!

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:04 PM

48. So they are going to be brought up on attempted murder charges?

 

Hey why not? Batshit crazy deserves it's day in court too.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:06 PM

50. Heard this on NPR. WTF ? Why would NPR air this nonsense????

 

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:06 PM

51. I thought only witches could do that stuff.

I think people who are the off from reality are just sad to me.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:11 PM

53. Too bad nobody in that other neighborhood thought of doing that

Just think, if we all did that, we could direct them tornadoes to countries where only Moooslims live.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:12 PM

54. Oh just had to say also, why didn't she cause the winds to die out and fade away?

 

Just thought about this, if God did so then he was testing her to see what humans would do. Sadly she failed and humanity is doomed for another 1000 years to ride without Jesus.

Thanks lady!

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:49 PM

57. She obviously doesn't bother reading her book very well

Ecclesiastes 8:8 —

As no one has power over the wind to contain it, so no one has power over the time of their death. As no one is discharged in time of war, so wickedness will not release those who practice it.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:50 PM

58. This tornado loves you

 

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Response to cali (Reply #58)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 11:28 PM

96. I LOVE Neko Case!

 

She's amazing.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:54 PM

59. Does she do lottery numbers?

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Response to Vinca (Reply #59)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:19 PM

141. Yes I would like the numbers for tonight's Powerball please!

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:59 PM

60. So the people "downwind" can sue, right? . . . n/t

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:03 PM

62. One of Satan's titles is/was "Prince of the Power of the Air"...

Hmmmm....

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:24 PM

65. That's a new version of an old joke. I think that she is going to discover

that most of the time, God will again give her power over the tornado direction.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:23 PM

69. And we are supposed to respect religious beliefs why exactly?

This is acceptable?

Insane and demented rantings are suddenly and magically no longer insane and demented if somebody connects them to some religion?

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:49 PM

72. Too bad she didn't direct the winds to dissipate

instead of destroying a different neighborhood.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:03 PM

73. Her god gave her permission to kill her neighbors in order to save herself?

She must be very special.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:34 PM

76. So basically she asked God to flatten somebody else's house with a tornado?

Lots of Christian love right there.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:36 PM

77. Well, isn't she a "darksided" so-and-so! Go kill THOSE people, now, you mean old wind, you~!!!

I've noticed that the word "actually" is sometimes, though not always, accompanied by a load of horse shit that can be smelled from Los Angeles CA to Bangor, ME!


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Response to MADem (Reply #77)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:04 PM

132. remember this one ...

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Response to napkinz (Reply #132)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:45 PM

134. Ewwwww, it's a Very Sad DAY!! KKKKRISTIANS!!!!!!! SINNERS!!!!! LOL!

Amazing how people can profess to be from a faith and not understand a flipping thing about the tenets of it!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #134)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 02:54 PM

143. ...



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Response to napkinz (Reply #132)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:26 PM

139. Both of those women are...

...beyond batshit bonkers. It's rubber room time.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #139)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:50 PM

144. hmmm ... I wonder which Republican candidate they support

my guess is Ted Cruz

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:56 PM

80. I would hope the surviving familys who were not so lucky could have a case to sue her.

With great power comes responsibility.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:37 PM

83. ...and your little dog too!

She sounds more like the Wicked Witch of the West.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:24 PM

84. really wondered why NPR chose to run that story of the storm

and not some others that I am sure they had that were more - I guess I'll say normal?
NPR everyday sounds more and more like all other media promoting the crazies and the conspiracy theories.

Listened to their afternoon show today and turned it off after @ 10 minutes after an interview with really crappy followup questions. Can't even remember what it was about - oh yeah bullet proof backpacks for kids. Interviewer never asked the parent if they were doing anything to stop shootings or working for gun control.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:35 PM

86. when will she be indicted for murder?

Last edited Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:28 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:38 PM

87. A mighty wind

A mighty flatulent wind...

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:27 PM

90. She must be the last airbender. N/t

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:32 PM

93. I'm told we're not allowed to call this a delusion.

So I guess it's just happy fun thoughts or something.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 11:34 PM

97. if you believe somone rose from the dead

you can be made to believe anything

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:24 PM

106. What did the people in the other neighborhood ever do to her?

Bet they're sorry now.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:32 PM

107. What a religious nutjob....

 

...but I repeat myself...

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:44 PM

111. This is the kind of story that makes most of us

sane people cringe. She is probably a Trump Supporter, and low information..everything!

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:08 PM

116. How very Ben Carson of her

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:09 PM

117. poor woman, she is probably in the middle of a manic episode. nt

 

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:20 PM

122. Sounds like the curses, spells and other magical junk of many other religions/cults, doesn't it? n/t

 

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:09 PM

123. Burn the witch!

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Response to NCLefty (Reply #123)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 11:45 PM

146. +1000

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:38 PM

126. dear lord,allow us to have univ. healthcare.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:50 PM

127. Does this mean?

She can redirect, the wind bag Trump?

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:51 PM

128. Can they be charged with murder of those who did die?

After all, they directed the winds! These people are seriously deranged.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:52 PM

129. ***

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:59 PM

131. Damn, I thought this

 

Was going to be about Hill. What a letdown.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:58 PM

135. this is just like the shooters excuse. mentally ill, crazy, off meds...

...bullshit it is what it is. religion period. no excuses.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:02 PM

136. NOT fair. She said "unpopulated areas" NOT another neighborhood

 

...on the other hand, she didn't seem to care that she fucked it up and killed her neighbors.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:19 PM

138. This clearly classifies her as a religious terrorist.

Quick! Somebody build a wall around her!!!!!

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 11:24 PM

145. Religion is a scam

I think that religion is a scam and built upon greed. I think that the woman has some sort of mental problem, but then again this is Texas.

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