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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:06 AM

 

50,000 posts and the only mind Iíve changed is my own

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But then that was the whole point when I joined DU in April of 2010 - to learn more about American politics, our parties and our candidates, our economic and social justice problems and the pathways to fix them.

Iíve been on the left side of the political spectrum since the early 1970ís when I was serving in southeast Asia in the Air Force, and began seeing through the daily ration of bullshit. In the years that followed, work and family responsibilities didnít leave much time for politics, so despite my interest and political bent I had only a superficial knowledge of what was happening. Most of what I knew I learned by reading my stateís largest newspapers. On many issues I had been led astray and was ill-informed.

Then I retired in early 2008 and the free time allowed me to become much more active in politics. I campaigned for Barack Obama and was thrilled when he won. The day of his inauguration I felt more hope for my country than I ever had. Then came a series of disappointments Ė some of his cabinet picks and his failure to advocate for single-payer healthcare - or even a public option - really stuck in my craw.

(One cabinet pick I did like was Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. I was a big fan of hers due to her advocacy for universal healthcare. I felt she would do a great job as SOS. I could have easily supported her for President had she prevailed over Obama in the 2008 primaries.)

Then in 2010 I found DU (while searching for Ducks Unlimited of all things). I was hooked on the first day and joined immediately. Wow - a progressive community discussing the issues without the lies and disruptions that right-wingers inflicted on the other sites on which I had been posting. I fell in love with DU and still love DU.

Thereís no better site for vetting the information that the media spoon-feeds us every day. News stories are exposed as propaganda and alternative points of view are posted without the filters imposed by the corporate media. I learned that many of the ďtruthsĒ I had long held were, in fact, bullshit.

Right now DU is fractured as supporters of Hillary and Bernie duke it out. This is a healthy thing and Iím glad itís happening. Neither of these candidates is perfect and itís great that we can learn about the positives and negatives of both so that we can make the most informed choices when we cast our votes. I donít expect to sway any Hillary fans but I do appreciate the opportunity to post about the positives and negatives of each.

But my own mind was changed when I learned of Hillaryís support for the Iraq War Resolution, when I learned of the Kochs and Clintons teamig up to found the Democratic Leadership Council, when I learned how the leadership of the party Iíd long supported had been infiltrated by moneyed interests and had abandoned working people.

So my mind has been changed, and perhaps Iíve provided a bit of ammunition for others who are like-minded. Thatís whatís so great about DU.

Let the truth be your guide, and thereís no better place for determining what is true and what is not than Democratic Underground. Long may we post.

Be back later; Iíve got a whole lot of snow to move.


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Reply 50,000 posts and the only mind Iíve changed is my own (Original post)
Scuba Dec 2015 OP
Auggie Dec 2015 #1
kairos12 Dec 2015 #2
randr Dec 2015 #3
closeupready Dec 2015 #6
GummyBearz Dec 2015 #10
clarice Dec 2015 #26
MrScorpio Dec 2015 #4
demwing Dec 2015 #5
Faux pas Dec 2015 #7
Martin Eden Dec 2015 #8
tecelote Dec 2015 #9
mountain grammy Dec 2015 #11
zeemike Dec 2015 #12
bvf Dec 2015 #13
Half-Century Man Dec 2015 #14
a kennedy Dec 2015 #15
stupidicus Dec 2015 #16
HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #17
daybranch Dec 2015 #18
Snotcicles Dec 2015 #19
Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #20
Duval Dec 2015 #21
ljm2002 Dec 2015 #22
WillyT Dec 2015 #23
bigwillq Dec 2015 #24
panader0 Dec 2015 #25
KoKo Dec 2015 #27
Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #28
Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #29
Iwillnevergiveup Dec 2015 #30
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #31
Spazito Dec 2015 #32

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:10 AM

1. You're not alone. My mind is changed too.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:12 AM

2. The only change I've mined was in my couch.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:16 AM

3. There is one thing all of us on the left have in common that separates us from those on the right

Our minds are open. We are willing to allow debate and will process new information to make informed decisions.
I feel very sorry for people who do not find this joy in their lives.

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Response to randr (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:58 AM

6. Agreed. When I encounter a closed mind in real life or here, I run fast in the other direction.

 

Not going to waste my energy on a pointless exercise in frustration.

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Response to randr (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:34 AM

10. I agree to an extent

 

Open minded people gravitate to the left of the political spectrum. But on both sides there are those with dogmatic views, set in stone. I also have several right leaning long time friends who are extremely reasonable. But that is an exception to the rule in my experience.

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Response to randr (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:46 AM

26. With all due respect.... I have found that differing opinions are often not welcome. nt

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:24 AM

4. Whatever we can do to keep Republicans out of the White House is a good thing

We just have to get our own shit together first.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:55 AM

5. Congrats on the milestone!

 

And I know you've had a greater influence on minds than you give yourself credit

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:13 AM

7. Well said Scuba!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:27 AM

8. You've averaged about 24 posts per day over the last 6 years!

I like this one, and recced it.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:31 AM

9. K&R

50,000 is a huge number. Congratulations and Thanks.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:36 AM

11. I like your posts, Scuba..

here's to 50,000 more

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:41 AM

12. My mind changed too, but it was a gradual process.

With respect to Hillary it started when she was first elected to the senate...I was really happy about that...but then the first thing she did was sponsor a flag burning amendment that made me go hmmmm. And then she went full on war hawk that disillusioned me complexly.

As for me, I am tired of being fooled..,again and again.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:45 AM

13. Congrats on 50K,

 

and don't forget to lift with your legs, not your back (I learned that the hard way)!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:53 AM

14. Scuba remember LSD....labor saving device, use a snow blower if you have one.

Take it easy moving snow, take breaks when you need.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:58 AM

15. Your posts are the ones I look for first on ANY topic Scuba.

GO PACK GO. and here's to 50,000 more.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:59 AM

16. good for you

 

my disliking and distrust of 3rdwayers grew throughout the first Clinton admin, and both those things have only grown since.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:00 AM

17. Congrats on 50K. I've moved my snow...be aware it's damned wet and heavy!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:05 AM

18. I believe you have helped change a lot of minds. Maybe not of readers of DU

but of those leaning towards Hillary as you furnished facts and logic we could use sitting around the table or talking with friends. Thank you, Go Bernie!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:06 AM

19. 1/24/1992 and 1/26/1992 started shaping my opinion of the Clintons. nt

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:07 AM

20. +1!!! What is that white stuff in the picture?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:09 AM

21. Aw, Scuba, I sure have learned a lot from your posts. I've

 

supported Bernie since I began hearing him speak on Thom Hartmann's show on FSTV. I like his straight forward approach and his history of voting on issues I care about. DU has provided needed information since I became an activist for the Democrats and to stay well informed I return again and again to this site. I love it, too!! Now, please be careful cleaning up what looks like 6 to 8 inches of snow! We need you!!



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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:12 AM

22. Nice post...

...and I read every word. But I have to say, finding DU while looking for Ducks Unlimited made me laugh out loud!



Happy Winter to you, and don't strain yourself moving snow. I'm up in the snow country right now and it is breathtakingly beautiful -- but I don't have to shovel it either.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:36 AM

23. Most Excellent Post !!! - K & R !!!

 






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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:44 AM

24. Congrats on 50,000 posts!

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:46 AM

25. Here's to ya Scuba!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:49 AM

27. Congrats, Scuba!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:51 AM

28. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for sharing, Scuba.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:58 AM

29. I hope that everyone here is capable of making up their own minds and follow their conscience.

 

I find just going along with any group just to be a part of that group is rather pathetic and degrading for anyone who can think for themselves.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:58 AM

30. K&R

I too, regularly gravitate to your posts, Scuba. This one is no exception - wise words indeed.
Congratulations on your 50,000 posts...keep 'em flying.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:59 AM

31. Great post Scuba. Thanks to you. n/t

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:05 PM

32. Locking...

as per the Statement of Purpose for General Discussion:

Posts about the Democratic primaries, conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden.

Please consider posting your OP in General Discussion: Primaries. Thanks.

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