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Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:17 PM

‘I didn’t come here to shoot, I came here to die’: Oregon militia occupiers fess up to local

I didn’t come here to shoot, I came here to die’: Oregon militia occupiers fess up to local reporters
Writing for OPB, Amanda Peacher stated that early estimates of 150 occupiers are wildly inflated, saying, “only a few dozen men are occupying the federal building.”

According to Peacher, federal employees were advised to stay clear of the refuge, in a memo that read: “Our top concern is employee safety. All employees are accounted for, and the Refuge will be closed until further notice. Employees of all land management agencies in the area will operate from alternate worksites, telework, or administrative leave.”

Outside of the refuge, she interviewed one militia member — identifying himself only as “Capt. Moroni” — who told her, “I didn’t come here to shoot, I came here to die

If that is what they are there for, just turning off water and power is not going to end this.

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Reply ‘I didn’t come here to shoot, I came here to die’: Oregon militia occupiers fess up to local (Original post)
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 OP
OffWithTheirHeads Jan 2016 #1
Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #2
A Little Weird Jan 2016 #5
SMC22307 Jan 2016 #6
Ghost in the Machine Jan 2016 #10
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #11
pinboy3niner Jan 2016 #13
Drahthaardogs Jan 2016 #42
pinboy3niner Jan 2016 #53
dhill926 Jan 2016 #46
Ruby the Liberal Jan 2016 #18
MohRokTah Jan 2016 #19
malaise Jan 2016 #20
Old Codger Jan 2016 #32
underpants Jan 2016 #34
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #3
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #12
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #16
NobodyHere Jan 2016 #4
SMC22307 Jan 2016 #9
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #14
PeoViejo Jan 2016 #7
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2016 #8
Ghost in the Machine Jan 2016 #15
longship Jan 2016 #17
3catwoman3 Jan 2016 #26
ms liberty Jan 2016 #33
hack89 Jan 2016 #37
longship Jan 2016 #43
hack89 Jan 2016 #44
longship Jan 2016 #45
hack89 Jan 2016 #47
longship Jan 2016 #49
Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #54
longship Jan 2016 #57
Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #58
longship Jan 2016 #59
Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #60
jmowreader Jan 2016 #50
3catwoman3 Jan 2016 #21
madokie Jan 2016 #22
PufPuf23 Jan 2016 #23
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #24
PufPuf23 Jan 2016 #39
lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #30
Takket Jan 2016 #25
Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #55
oldandhappy Jan 2016 #27
HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #48
oldandhappy Jan 2016 #63
saltpoint Jan 2016 #28
KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #40
saltpoint Jan 2016 #41
romanic Jan 2016 #29
saltpoint Jan 2016 #31
MohRokTah Jan 2016 #36
Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #35
Blue Owl Jan 2016 #38
DonCoquixote Jan 2016 #51
2naSalit Jan 2016 #52
trueblue2007 Jan 2016 #56
JNelson6563 Jan 2016 #61
yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #62

Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:24 PM

1. Yes it will. These Y'allquida assholes are just children in adult bodies playing dressup

 

If they can't flush the toilets for a few days, they are gone

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:24 PM

2. Am I the only one who laughed reading the name "Captain Moroni"?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:28 PM

5. No you are not

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:31 PM

6. No, and I'm still chuckling at it.

Captain Moroni, Yeehawdist.

It just keeps getting better.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:34 PM

10. No, and I have already decided to change it "Captain I, Moron"



Peace,

Ghost

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:34 PM

11. That was a real gem.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:37 PM

13. Captain Moroni is a figure in Mormon teachings, an important military leader

The militia guy taking this name reportedly is from Utah.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:05 PM

42. I thought Moroni was the angel from the lost tribes of Israel

that became native americans.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:32 AM

53. That's a different Moroni

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:21 PM

46. yep...

jaysus, the whackjob element keeps coming....

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 08:14 PM

18. Moroni is LDS legend

He was the [strike]profit[/strike] prophet that the story says appeared to Joseph Smith as an angel with magical golden plates. That was the origin of Mormonism.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 08:15 PM

19. Has to be a Mormon Yeehawdist YallQueda member. eom

 

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 08:18 PM

20. I'd prefer Morani

but I'll take it

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 10:12 PM

32. nope

 

Not at all... immature wanna-be's playing war... turn water off, block deliveries they will be gone soon...

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 10:24 PM

34. Sounds more like Captain Jabroni

That's what I thought of.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:25 PM

3. Big talk from little men.

Turn off the water and the heat; they can die of thirst or hypothermia. But I bet they'll give up as soon as they've run out of Skoal.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:37 PM

12. Little men can and have often caused an enormous amount of death and destruction.

We regularly have little men walk into schools, churches, and movie theaters and blow innocent people away.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:38 PM

16. That's true.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:27 PM

4. I wish more liberals had that kind of conviction

 

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Response to NobodyHere (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:33 PM

9. Just liberals? What about Democrats as a whole?

What are you willing to die for?

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Response to NobodyHere (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:37 PM

14. NO. We have elections so we don't have to die to make a President.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:32 PM

7. Not to worry

 

The Feds won't attack, lest they kill some of their own.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:33 PM

8. Capt. Moron I says

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:38 PM

15. LOL! GMTA! See post #10... I posted before I saw your reply



Peace,

Ghost

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 08:13 PM

17. Turning off the electricity likely turns off the water.

This is far enough out that water comes from a well. The pump needs electricity. Just like mine.

Depending on what type of heat, cutting off electricity might also cut that off as well. Mine certainly would.

Then there's the possibility for the government to provide some 24/7 entertainment for these folks. They are obviously bored.

I recommend this song played over and over in a continuous loop at heavy metal volume.


They'll be out of there and in custody in no time.

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Response to longship (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 09:39 PM

26. That would do it for me.

Some years ago, I saw this funny parody of that theme song from a dad who had had enough -

I hate him,
He hates me.
Lets hang Barney,
From a tree.

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Response to longship (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 10:22 PM

33. Someone on another thread suggested Rick-rolling.

I like that better than Barney, myself!

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Response to longship (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 10:43 PM

37. You think perhaps they brought a portable generator with them? Nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:07 PM

43. Where will they get the fuel for the generators?

They don't run on wishes, you know.

Of course, the presumption is that there's a team of national guard people (or equivalent) surrounding the embattled enclave pointing and laughing at them, which is all they deserve.

Plus, no more MREs for you!

Then, there's my Barnie option:


Played 24/7 on a continuous loop at heavy metal volume. Fine! You guys want a stand off? We'll show you a stand off. Hope you all like purple dinosaurs. No? Tough shit!

And we hope y'all brought enough buckets to shit in because your well won't work very well when you can't fuel your generators. We'll bet you run out of fuel for your generator before you run out of MREs. The privates on the line laughing at y'all have a pool on how long you guys will last. Hint: nobody is betting beyond two months. However, I have to warn you. None of them have considered the Barnie factor.

Hope y'all are having fun. Here's that music again.


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Response to longship (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:10 PM

44. How many 55 gallon drums can you get in the back of a pickup? On a trailer towed by a pick up?

this is child's play to a bunch of ex-military preppers.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #44)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:18 PM

45. Well, they'll probably end up having to poop in them.

I recommend surround the enclave with people who just laugh at them, while at the same time cutting them off from everything. But mostly just laugh.

I am not impressed by your arguments. And I don't think these pudd knockers are as competent as some folks here think they are. That's why I think simple ridicule is the weapon of choice. (That and cutting them off and a whole lotta Barnie.)

Best regards.

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Response to longship (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:28 PM

47. What argument?

you and I agree that they represent no real threat. But it is not rocket science to grab a portable generator and some gas.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #47)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:36 PM

49. If they are closed off, they'll still end up using the barrels for poop.

If there's 150 of them, that's a whole lotta poop. And when the barrels are all full and their MREs are all gone, I suppose cannibalism will be next. Either that, or I suppose they could eat the poop.

That's it!

(Barnie song stops.)
Ammon Bundy, eat shit!
And again here's that Barnie song y'all love so well.
(Barnie song starts again.)

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Response to longship (Reply #49)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:42 AM

54. I suspect there's a perfectly adequate septic tank system there.

 

But yeah: cut off any possibility of resupply. Cut off access to the electric grid so they have to burn fuel for their generators. Cut off all communication except with the authorities blockading the compound, (although they may very well have a satellite rig...but you can at least make that another drain on generator fuel). They can't last forever.

Still, this would certainly be a hardship assignment for the people carrying out the siege. They'll be out in the bitter cold and wind in makeshift shelter while these dipshits are in warm stone buildings. You'd have to rotate people in and out if it looks to last for months. Moreover, it would be an expensive proposition, and even after you arrest, conflict, and fine the living hell out of them, it would still end up costing taxpayers* a fortune. But if the alternative is bloodshed, I'd rather be patient.

*the very taxpayers these cretins probably think they're fighting for...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #54)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:24 AM

57. No water, no flushy!

Trust me. I live in the national forest.

When I lose power here -- it happens sometimes -- I lose my heat, my water, and just about everything else. It basically puts me back into the Stone Age.

A septic tank is useless if one has no water with which to flush. And if there's 150 people there, that is a lot of poop to flush.

My regards.

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Response to longship (Reply #57)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:27 AM

58. I don't think there's a way to cut off their water.

 

But you can sure make them burn precious generator fuel to pump it from the well...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #58)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:35 AM

59. No fuel, no generator. No generator, no power.

No power, no water. No water, no flushy and no drinky.

They cannot run a generator forever. And remember, they have 150 folks there. (So it has been reported.)

I stand by my posts.


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Response to longship (Reply #59)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:37 AM

60. Well, yeah...that's what I've been saying.

 

Make sure the load on their generators stays high. Either fuel or food will be their biggest worry, depending on how much of each they brought.

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Response to longship (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:51 PM

50. Why not the Noriega Play List?

There are about eight different versions of the song list the 4th Psychological Operations Group got AFN-Panama to play (which they then played through a huge PA set up around the Vatican Embassy, in an attempt to flush Manuel Noriega out of there) during Operation Just Cause. Either (1) pick a Noriega Playlist and crank it the fuck up or (2) play Judas Priest and Elton John albums at ear-splitting volumes until these idiots run for their lives out of fear listening to those bands will give them Teh Gay.

Or, alternately, we just get about a dozen M203 grenade launchers and all the CS and white smoke rounds we can get our hands on, and FORCE these assholes to flee.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 09:15 PM

21. Altho the Moroni name is well established...

...in LDS lore, the inherent humor is absolutely delightful!

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 09:19 PM

22. That's just his ass talking

once he gets hungry and thirsty his whole outlook on life will change. right now they are full of bluster and not much else. IMHO

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 09:24 PM

23. Another poster mentioned a good idea to speed the end of a stand off.

Bomb the militia occupiers with water from a fire fighting helicopter.

They would rapidly become extremely cold and wet miserable asshats.

In general I see the calls for aggressive violence repulsive.

There should be a perimeter established and stringently enforced.

Bombing them with water would way beat tear gas or arms.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 09:32 PM

24. I oppose violence unless they endanger others or

Begin violence by firing on law enforcement officers.

If Moroni is anything like the others there, their purpose is to incite violence.

There are people in the militia movement that profess a desire for civil war, thinking that g he government will crumble before them.

We all should Remember Ruby Ridge and it ultimately led to the bombing in Oklahoma.

There are crazies on the right who desire violence to take back a country that never was.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 10:49 PM

39. I am also extremely opposed to violence.

The suggestion to bomb them with water is sort of tongue in cheek and would not be to hurt them but to make them very miserable as it is now quite cold in eastern Oregon.

Far better than a direct assault or tear gas or the like.

There would be some risk to the helicopter but minimal direct risk to the militia getting very wet and cold.

I agree with you about the mindset of the militia regards to wanting to incite violence.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 09:58 PM

30. water balloons from 20,000 feet. n/t

 

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 09:35 PM

25. aren't they inside?

not sure you can actually get them wet, but along those lines i heard they had a bonfire. i would certain extinguish anything outside the building along the lines of fire that they are using for heat and/or cooking.

i don't believe for a second these GI Joe wanna be punks could make it for a week with no electricity or water.

i would also bombard them with light and horrible music.

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Response to Takket (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:51 AM

55. The problem with all of those things (except electricity)...

 

...is that you'd have to get people really close to the compound to do it. There are several hundred yards of really open country surrounding the buildings there. There's a slight hill on one side, but it's still pretty open (and there's actually an observation tower on the property, from which a sniper could target anyone approaching from any direction, although they'd be vulnerable themselves). Basically, you have armed people with open fields of fire and stone buildings for cover. If you're ready to assault them, you can do it with armored vehicles, but anything short of that point would call for putting people at great risk.

Electricity could be cut off from the grid. They have generators, but it would be simple to blockade any resupply of fuel (or food). There is almost certainly a well on the property (I've never noticed in my visits, but I never had reason to look) as well as a large holding pond and a spring about 1500 feet away. No way to cut them off from water short of an assault.

And that's what I'd like to see avoided: bloodshed. It may take a while, but let's wait these idiots out and arrest them when they're ready to give up without fighting.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 09:40 PM

27. cut local wifi -- they want to see themselves on TV same as San Bernardino killers

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Response to oldandhappy (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:34 PM

48. all communications except direct lines to negotiators should be cut

loneliness is not a friend of the besieged.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 09:35 AM

63. perfect!!!!!!

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 09:42 PM

28. The situation there in Oregon

calls for a non-violent but appropriate response.

I suggest that giant vats of lime Jello be dumped from the air onto the occupied facility and surrounding grounds.

This would involve several steps on the part of the government, most of the inconvenient, but the Jello drops would be non-stop. I think round-the-clock lime Jello dumped from up-high vats onto the grounds would be an effective response to the Bundy group's recalcitrance.

At some point in about the third or fourth day, no one inside the facility would be able to see outside the facility. Also, the access road would be a sea of lime Jello.

I think it would most entertaining.

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Response to saltpoint (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 10:59 PM

40. ROTFLMAO! Thread-winner! It's not easy being green! - nt

 

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:02 PM

41. KC, howdy. Yep. Desperate times call for

desperate measures.

Bring on the green gloop!

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 09:55 PM

29. I still don't understand what these assholes want.

Do they want to overthrow the state and make Oregon they're little redneck utopia or something???

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Response to romanic (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 10:05 PM

31. They appear to object to a sentencing

returning the Hammonds to a longer incarceration on an arson charge.

Ammon Bundy states that Jesus did not like this ruling, that it "displeased" the Lord, and so action in defense of the Hammonds was indicated.

Subsequently Bundy and others "seized" the empty facility and there remain.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/militia-members-occupy-us-building-oregon-protest-36063609

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Response to romanic (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 10:26 PM

36. They are Radical Mormon Extremist Terrorists.

 

You NEVER really know what terrorists want.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 10:25 PM

35. Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons. Bertrand Russell

 

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 10:44 PM

38. Get a brain, Morani...

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:58 PM

51. these folks are our ISIS

they belong to an interpretation of religion which allows people to treat everyone else like an enemy to kill or a slave to whip. Sadly, just like the other Isis, these folks know martyrdom poys, especially in an election year. We NEED to starve these folk out, because that will lay their myth to waste. We should also watch who shows, or who offers support, because you know the superpacs are going to try an exploit this.

I can see Ted Cruz making the most of every inch of this.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:11 AM

52. Well, I guess thay're looking to have a place

They can call their very own...

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:55 AM

56. SEND IN THE DRONES !!! (Sung to Send in the Clowns)

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:51 AM

61. Maybe someone will oblige him.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 03:31 AM

62. ‘I didn’t come here to shoot, I came here to die’

How about a nice long prison term, or maybe rehabilitation for being mentally ill.

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