CNN: White militiamen aren’t a threat like black protesters because ‘they’re not looting anything'

[kpete]

CNN analyst: White militiamen aren’t a threat like black protesters because ‘they’re not looting anything’

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Roderick told CNN host Brian Stelter on Sunday that law enforcement should not react with force to end the militia’s occupation of the federal building.

“The last thing we need is some type of large confrontation because that’s when stuff goes bad,” Roderick explained. “And I think in this particular instance, if we just wait them out, see what they’ve got to say, then eventually, they’re all going to go home.”

Stelter pointed out that many activists had complained if the militia members were “Black Lives Matter protesters or if these were peaceful Muslim Americans then they would be treated very differently by law enforcement.”

“This is a very rural area,” Roderick replied. “It is out in the middle of nowhere. What are they actually doing? They’re not destroying property, they’re not looting anything.”

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More plus video:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/cnn-analyst-white-militiamen-arent-a-threat-like-black-protesters-because-theyre-not-looting-anything/#.VomFbavirEs.twitter

[MohRokTah]

1. Seizing nd holding federal property at gunpoint.

Terrorism, right there.

Treat them like any other terrorist.

[Bjorn Against]

2. I think breaking into a building and declaring it your own goes beyond looting.

[ProfessorGAC]

38. It's At Least Equivalent

Looting would be breaking into a building and taking stuff and declaring it your own. Not understanding how anybody could reason that this is any different. They're still declaring ownership of something that isn't their's to own.

[LiberalArkie]

3. What they meant is "Its not like they are colored and running around breaking glass and stuff."

[dixiegrrrrl]

22. What he meant is "rural=whites, urban = blacks" n/t

[awake]

4. 18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

Check out this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027494920

"f two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384 "

[Jim Beard]

18. Enforce the law.

[nashville_brook]

5. they just stole the building.

[JonathanRackham]

31. Was it a trailer park?

[DirkGently]

6. They're just seizing public property and seeking

armed confrontation with the government of the United States is all.

No money has been harmed!

/

[Babel_17]

7. Aren't they allied with the group that deployed snipers to deter Federal agents?

Is this a different group, or is that not relevant?

[DirkGently]

12. Yep. Led by some of the same.

Among the occupiers is Ammon Bundy, son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, and two of his brothers. Militia members at the refuge claimed they had as many as 100 supporters with them. The refuge, federal property managed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, was closed and unoccupied for the holiday weekend.

In phone interviews from inside the occupied building Saturday night, Ammon Bundy and his brother, Ryan Bundy, said they are not looking to hurt anyone. But they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them, they said.

"The facility has been the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds," Ammon Bundy said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html

[Babel_17]

14. Thank you for that

So these people use military tactics, and are ready to shoot it out. Arguably, we don't want them setting the pace for how this unfolds.

[Amishman]

61. yup, best tactic is to give them minimal attention and starve them out

they crave confrontation with authority.

post enough guards to keep anyone from giving them food, request the media keep their distance, and wait for them to get hungry and give up. Gather as much info as possible on who was in there, and track them down and arrest individually once they disperse.

[Midnight Writer]

48. Also, two of that group later shot two cops who were eating lunch

So the threat of violence here has to be taken seriously, even it is caused by a "loose cannon".

You've got 150 people who think it is a keen idea to grab their guns, invade a public park, and threaten a violent confrontation with anyone who tries to stop them.

I think it is a safe bet that there is someone in there who would like nothing more than to go down in a blaze of glory.

[jmowreader]

49. AND a Good Guy with a Gun!

A concealed weapons permit holder decided to use a Second Amendment Solution to stop Jerad Miller, and wound up getting his shit blown away by Amanda Miller.

[arcane1]

8. I wonder what happens when the regular employees need to show up for work. n/t

[HereSince1628]

19. Well, the regular employees have been told to stay away

another thread says they'll work from alternate sites, work by internet or go on administrative leave.

[Nye Bevan]

9. I don't see any benefit to sending in Feds with guns blazing.

Waiting it out over days or weeks may not be an attractive strategy for those used to 2 hour Hollywood movies but it is the approach least likely to result in new widows and orphans. And I think Loretta Lynch would adopt the same approach for any group of protesters occupying such a Federal building, regardless of their skin color or religion.

[passiveporcupine]

39. I agree with you to a point

But how long a wait is acceptable. A month? Three months? A year? They say they are equipped to stay for years (and plan on it)...so who takes care of the property maintenance, and handling the business of the refuge. The refuge is officially closed now and will remain so until they are gone.

How long?

[OnlinePoker]

43. Shut off all utilities

Turn off the power, water, and phones. Their mobile devices will die in short order and they'll realize they're speaking to nobody but themselves.

[RandiFan1290]

10. They just murder police

and drape them in the 'tea party' flag

[Wellstone ruled]

11. Amazing how our so called media

loves to fan the flames of hatred and glorification of the nutjobs.

[etherealtruth]

13. they just "looted" a federal facility ...

[Jim Beard]

17. Yes they did and people here are saying they should be treated differently!

[jmowreader]

50. There's a reason for that

The (insert name of any Progressive demonstration) people weren't trying to touch off a civil war. These guys are.

[Number23]

15. Quite a few DUers have expressed a very similar and equally odious sentiment

[SwankyXomb]

34. True. For a progressive/liberal/Democratic site

there are plenty here who will say anything to defend any actions of white, right-wing, fundamentalist gun nuts. I guess it's because they fit the demographic.

[Stellar]

41. hear, hear! nt

[malaise]

16. Like McVeigh

WTF???

[1939]

62. McVeigh was executed.

Did you want him tortured first?

[sadoldgirl]

20. On another blog someone tried to defend

these Mormon terrorists by claiming that it was a
peaceful protest, because they were not using their
guns, just kept them for their protection!

Just imagine AAs or muslims walking around with guns,
and what would happen to them. If OWS members had
carried guns for their protection, there would have been
a bloodbath as well,imo.

[Skittles]

21. another example of gun humping cowards being catered to

as long as they're not, you know, one of THOSE people

[SusanCalvin]

23. Oh dear God.

[Rex]

24. And yet some still think CNN has some kind of liberal leanings...no, never.

Just another garbage pundit channel like foxnews.

[Oilwellian]

25. Sickening n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. I just spent my evening covering the Tamir Rice vigil in City Heights

dime on the dollar we had far more cops watching us, (and the CHP was waiting to come in well en force) than these guys in Oregon...

Sad statement

I will write the story tomorrow and post it... if nothing else. people need to listen to the poem, (which will go up if the sound is good)

I am just too damn tired to write it right now.

[Blue_Tires]

27. kick

[Warpy]

28. I think a trip through the building they're squatting in

will tell a far different story. I've seen property that self styled revolutionaries were in and they were even paying rent, it is never pretty. Undoubtedly this bunch will do significant damage even if they relieve themselves in the toilets and don't burn any of the furniture for warmth.

[Dretownblues]

29. The stupidity

In the media is mind-numbing. If they were Afirican Americans or Muslim Americans they wouldn't have lasted this long, and the media would be calling them thugs or terrorists.

[niyad]

36. welcome to du

[Algernon Moncrieff]

30. The Oregon terrorists are attempting to put the government in a no-win position.

If the FBI or federal marshals (or, conceivably, National Guard troops) swoop in and start shooting, this event will become a rallying cry for conservatives/government haters a la Ruby Ridge and Waco.

OTOH, if the government lays siege and attempts to wait them out, they appear weak, and only encourage more of this kind of terrorism.

The government needs to combat this by making sure that the language and narrative used to tell this story are not shaped by conservative/anti-government noise machines.

1) They are terrorists, not protesters: If this were an unarmed occupation - fine. The moment you come armed, there is an implied threat to life. Threat to life is, by definition, terror.

2) They are convicted criminals: The parties were convicted of arson. They served time under a sentence eventually deemed not to have met sentencing guidelines, and were resentenced (less time served). The case has gone to the SCOTUS -- they've had their day in court and lost.

3) They are not a "well regulated militia": They are not the Oregon National Guard. End of discussion.

4) This is not Pine Ridge in '73: These are not an indigenous group that has been placed on a reservation and repeatedly had their treaties violated.

[passiveporcupine]

42. step 2 doesn't really apply

The Bundy led militia group that has taken the refuge as hostage, is not concerned with the Hammonds. They were not part of the original protests in Burns. They just piggy-backed onto that cause because it was somewhat "associated" with federal land use concerns. They have co-opted it and turned the Refuge takeover into a government land confiscation issue...and they could care less that the Hammonds are going back to jail.

Everything else you said is right on.

[Initech]

32. This whole thing just gets weirder and weirder.

[JonathanRackham]

33. Remember the Occupy Wall Street encampments?

No buildings burned or violence there, things worked out peacefully.

If martyred this would only enable the next generation of pseudo patriots, the same way current anti terrorist policy works in the Middle East.

Yes, kill the gun humpers, brilliant strategy.

[libodem]

35. Horse manure

[lark]

37. Pure B.S.

What has Black Lives Matter destroyed? That's not the metric at all. The metric is the skin color. This said "the militias aren't destroying anything". I'd bet that's not right. Traipsing around on a reserve, are they keeping it well picked up, are they respecting the wildlife or are they killing it for sport, are they messing up public property? My bet would be on the later.

[aikoaiko]

40. It's like a sit-in, but with guns.

[GoCubsGo]

44. Facepalm...

The stupid. It burns.

[Skittles]

51. it's TEH stupid, GoCubsGo

but yes it DOES burn

[Chakab]

45. I wonder what his username on DU is.

[MohRokTah]

46. I DAMN WELL GUARANGAWDDAMNTEE YOU!!!!

That gift shop has been completely cleaned out of Snickers.

[Lucky Luciano]

47. I totally read this sentence wrong the first time:

“The last thing we need is some type of large confrontation because that’s when stuff goes bad,” Roderick explained. "

I read it as "...Redneck explained."

[JackInGreen]

52. God the selective definitions KILL ME

The rage...unmitigated.

[Depaysement]

53. Hilarious

We don't loot in my neighborhood, Brian. We basically go to work, pay taxes, raise kids and do the things people in white neighborhoods do.

[treestar]

54. they are "looting" the public's right to the park

unbelievable!

[heaven05]

55. typical american

media/pundit/rw/progressive response these days. Wouldn't want any of the great american 'patriots' to get hurt, would we.... RED ALERT!!! RED ALERT!!! good american patriots in danger!!!!!.

[Beowulf42]

56. Just Heard on the Stephanie Miller Show:

Build an iron prison fence around the place, line it with concertina wire and call it a Federal Jail Bird Sanctuary. Now that IS funny.

[lonestarnot]

57. If there isn't any water, and there isn't any heat, and there isn't any power they will be borrowing

one another's socks.

[NoMoreRepugs]

58. how about this scenario?

there are thousands of these whackadoodles across the country that
may become 'brave' enough as NOTHING happens to these terrorists in Oregon to seize
Federal buildings in other locations. Now what's the plan??

They have broken the law and have as best I understand it zero hostages - time to gear
up and go in with overwhelming force and end this - saturate the building with tear gas
and use rubber bullets by the THOUSANDS once they emerge - and believe me they will come out when facing military grade gas - problem solved before we have a problem that can't be solved.

[NoMoreRepugs]

59. from the SPLC to further make my case

“We believe these armed extremists have been emboldened by what they saw as a clear victory at the Cliven Bundy ranch and the fact that no one was held accountable for taking up arms against agents of the federal government,” said Heidi Beirich, director of the SPLC’s Intelligence Project.

[JLTaylor]

60. No looting

Wow, not looting, how much money have they looted from the government coffers to date.

[Odin2005]

63. Racists gona racist.