Ooops, the Palins did it AGAIN!!!

[rocktivity]

Addicting Info: Conspiracy theories aren’t something I take seriously very often...but every so often something comes along that seems far-fetched — until you look closely. This particular theory is brought to you by the blog Right Wing Crooks, who seem to have figured out how and why Bristol Palin’s baby was born in November and not December like she claims...

The timeline begins on Palin’s Instagram on Valentines Day. A selfie of her and an Alaskan...dressed to impress...appears with the caption “The night before the worst mistake of my life.” The picture is still there, but the caption, as reported by Right Wing Crooks, has been changed to #Vegas.

If that was the night Bristol Palin was impregnated, a typical gestation period would bring her into early to mid-November for a due date. The first picture of Bristol with her new daughter, Sailor, appeared on Christmas Eve...Things got really fishy when a picture of Bristol and her little girl showed a piece of tape with an IV date on it. After enhancing, both Right Wing Crooks and Winning Democrats are convinced that the date most likely reads 11/4/15. November 4th, which by the Vegas pregnancy theory puts Sailor at exactly where she’s supposed to be gestation-wise...

And just when you thought it was safe to stop wondering why someone who goes into labor a month early with what she knows is a baby with Down Syndrome takes a 12-hour plane flight...

UPDATE: There was an instagram photo that says "For all the people saying I gave birth 11/4/15, here is my IV that was started on 12/22/15 when I was admitted, my baby girl was born 12/23/15 stop trying to create controversy where none exists, desperation is the ugliest thing." Fine, just explain what you were doing in the hospital in November, have your mother confirm that she was in Alaska the day she was born, produce the birth certificate, and it will all be good!


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[madinmaryland]

1. Not to change the subject, but you commented the baby that she just had has Down Syndrome?

I am not going to talk about the child or the mother who had the child, if that is the case. If it is the case, then we all need to lay off her and the child and wish for the best for child.

[GusBob]

2. The reference, I believe is to Sarah Palins son Trig

And the situation involving his birth. He has DS

[madinmaryland]

6. And what is the point of dragging this out again.

Whatever her son has is none of our concern.

[Hortensis]

22. Exactly. This is a Democratic political forum, not the National Enquirer.

[rocktivity]

3. I was referring to Sarah's questionable labor and delivery of Trig

Curious birth dates seem to run in the family, hence the title of the thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7678399


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[madinmaryland]

5. I know Sarah's son, Trig has DS, but the way the post was written

seemed to imply that Bristol's child had DS. Sorry if I misinterpreted your post.

As was said elsewhere in this thread, lets leave the children out of this.

Thanks!

[840high]

4. Thank you. I do wish them the best. Have no

interest in dragging any child into the posts.

[jehop61]

7. The more we talk

about these people, the better they like the t. Lets leave these grifters alone and ignore them.

[Laffy Kat]

8. Oh, FFS!

Who cares???

[Tipperary]

10. This is at least the third thread about this non-news.

Do people really care about the Palins?

[Gormy Cuss]

23. ^^^This^^^

The family's a pathetic mess of liars and grifters but the paternity of her children is no one's business except the baby's parents.

[niyad]

9. that poor child's name is SAILOR?

[IDemo]

13. Worse yet,

her last name is Palin.

[niyad]

21. there is that, of course.

[rocktivity]

50. Maybe her name is the reason why the ex-fiance has suddenly decided assert his alleged fatherhood

He's a Marine.


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[valerief]

52. That was my takeaway, too! I mean, obviously the Palins lie and would lie about

a birth date. No surprise there. And they name their kids bizarre, stupid-people names, but c'mon, Sailor???? That's truly a fucked-up name. I can see the kid's nickname now--Seaman/Semen.

[niyad]

53. the child's middle name is, apparently, grace. and wonkette says that, by popular vote,

her other name is eggnog.

sailor grace eggnog palin. that poor child.

[Sniffles72]

11. thank you for sharing

liked it

[rocktivity]

12. UPDATES

Addicting Info:



Since the story was released Bristol has had little to say. She has been posting, however:

Guns, guns and more guns...Is this maybe another message to people who would question the abstinence princess and her 2 illegitimate children...It seems like someone may be using all of the grains of powder at her disposal to deal with some anger issues.



This is the legacy of Bristol Palin...Nobody really cares, Bristol. If you had your baby to cover up slutty behavior just admit it. If not, then…well — good for you.

FreakOutNation.com: ...Bristol has never announced who her baby Daddy is – but we all knew it was Marine Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer, even though their engagement abruptly ended...

Bristol’s lawyer...confirmed Wednesday that Meyer is the father, but otherwise refused further comment...Meyer wants custody of the baby...And there’s one more thing Meyer wants: child support.

Well, it looks like the joke's on me, especially if there's a DNA test to back it up with. Unfortunately, it would still mean that she had sex before marriage (in either February or March), with him or someone else -- which WOULDN'T matter if she weren't an active abstinence advocate. And why hasn't Meyer claimed the baby before now -- because he STILL doesn't want to marry Bristol, or, being a Marine, he's pissed off that baby was named Sailor?


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[fleur-de-lisa]

18. "her 2 illegitimate children" - the word "illegitimate" has always bothered me.

No child has any control regarding the circumstances of its birth. If we have to resort to name-calling, we should call the parents "illegitimate". Though these days its very common for children to be born out of wedlock and nobody seems to care. I certainly don't.

Why should an innocent child be saddled with such a negative term? Isn't it bad enough that these 2 babies were born into a family of idiots?

I know you didn't mean any disrespect to these babies, rocktivity, I'm just ranting. Pet peeve, you know . . .

[Gormy Cuss]

25. Illegitimate means the child doesn't have the same legal protections

as a child born to a married mother. People who have children without being married have to take extra steps (like declaring paternity) to give their child these legal protections. Thus the term has a function.

Now people who use the term "illegitimate" as a more acceptable epithet than "bastard" are just child-shaming ignoramuses.

[jberryhill]

26. What "legal protections" are you talking about?

I am aware of no legal rights which are at all contingent upon the marital status of one's parents, so please humor me with an example of one.

Under medieval law, a bastard could not inherit property or title, but that has utterly nothing to do with any legal protections whatsoever under US law.

[Gormy Cuss]

30. Assumed parentage

and all of the attendant privileges that come with that. Most lesbian couples until recently had to jump through hoops in order to be recognized as parents if they had no biological link to the child. And property inheritance barring a will still presumes that children born in a marriage are potential heirs while those born out of wedlock must have some demonstrated link like the parent declaring paternity, a DNA test, etc. Is that not correct?

[jberryhill]

32. Kind of a miss

You are talking about children of unidentified biological fathers.

The presumption of paternity of the husband of the mother isn't what I would think of as a "legal protection" of the child.

The child of an unidentified father (in the absence of adoption) has the same legal right of support from both parents as the child of an identified father, or a married father.

That's like saying that a child of married parents whose father is dead has "less legal protections" than the child of a living father. The child of a marriage with a dead father is in the same boat as the child of unwed parents whose father is Unidentified, from a practical perspective. Neither one of them is going to get support from the father. That's not a difference of "legal protections", just one of practical circumstances.

[Gormy Cuss]

36. There is no presumption that the biological father was identified because of the marriage?

I realize that since DNA became a tool it's easier to refute presumed paternity, but the law used to protect children within a marriage automatically, right?

[jberryhill]

40. The law is the same regardless

When you say "legal protections" it sounds as if there is a difference of rights.

The right in question - to receive support of both parents - is the same in each instance.

The distinction you are making is one of evidence.

Consider:

Able - child of identified unmarried parents.

Baker - child of married parents who then divorced, father now dead.

Charlie - child of unmarried parents, identity of father disputed.

All three children have the same "legal protections" in that they have a right to be supported by both parents.

As a practical matter, the only one unable to benefit from that right is Baker, the child of married parents. Able is fine, and Charlie has a matter of evidence to deal with.

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And yes, I haven't done a state by state current survey but there is a presumption of paternity by a married father. There has been some nibbling around how rebuttable that may be, and the effect of waiver (i.e. Trying to deny it after saying it was his for years)

[jberryhill]

44. Oh and...

In some places, if the husband denies it from the get-go, or within a certain time frame, the presumption is rebuttable.

[Gormy Cuss]

45. Thanks for explaining the law. n/t

[jberryhill]

46. I can see where there are certain conveniences

Back on the topic, however, Mr. Meyer is suing for joint custody. IMHO the parentage is pretty safely assumed.

It would be a hell of thing to defend that action on the grounds he's not the father.

[fleur-de-lisa]

27. Yes, I know about the legal protections . . .

My then boyfriend ditched me when I found out I was pregnant in the '80s, so I raised my daughter by myself. Probably a good part of why I hate the term "illegitimate".

[Gormy Cuss]

31. Eh, it's not as bad as bastard

says someone who was called both as a child. But as I wrote above, using it as an insult just reflects a lack of humanity.

[jberryhill]

33. Meh, my own mother called me a son of a bitch

Kind of a head scratcher there, but she said it.

[Gormy Cuss]

37. Did you ever ask if you were adopted?

I have a friend who was adopted in a closed proceeding. If someone calls him a bastard, he replies "Probably." If he's called a sonofabitch, he replies "Possibly."

[jberryhill]

43. Fair point

I couldn't have been adopted.

I look just like the milk man.

[Hortensis]

41. Yes, that's definitely a relic of BAD old days and ways.

Conservatives, especially religious ones who believe children born out of wedlock can't go to heaven, and perhaps even don't have souls, may like it, but I never use or acknowledge it.

[WillowTree]

14. Do you really CARE about all this nonsense?

I'll never, ever understand why irrelevancies like this get to be "news" and inspire the expenditure of energy to "investigate" something that shouldn't matter to anyone.

[rocktivity]

15. "Man bites dog" is NEWS: It's noteworthy if not newsworthy

because Bristol's parents tried to get away with THE EXACT SAME NONSENSE. Otherwise, I'd agree that it would merely be a relatively minor case of hypocrisy on Bristol's part. Besides, it's what conservatives count on -- us being too "high-minded" to call them on trying to frog-boil us in their brand of morality.


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[WillowTree]

17. Apparently some people have the time and energy.......

.......to expend on ruminating about when the Palins procreate. I have way better things to do.

Have fun, though.

[MineralMan]

20. It's not even noteworthy, frankly.

In my opinion, you should self-delete this thread. Your choice, of course.

[joeybee12]

16. No father is named on the birth certificate...

Says it all.

[Ilsa]

24. Where did you see that?

I'm just curious; I hadn't heard that they released the b.c.

I have my doubts about it being Meyers' kid.

[jberryhill]

34. Then Meyer's suit for custody is going to be interesting

He apparently believes he is.

[joeybee12]

38. I saw an article...can't recall which one...

I doubt he's the father also.

[SoCalMusicLover]

39. Is It His Kid Or Not?

I too thought that the baby was not his, and that was part of the problem which ended their relationship.

Some mighty weird stuff going on with the whole situation. He's also a right wing nut, so my first reaction was that he would not do anything to embarrass the Palins.

WHY in the world would he sue for custody if he is not the father? Does he know that he's not, and is doing this to bring the truth out so he can act surprised when the tests show the baby is not his?

Really fucking strange, which is par for the course with these Morans.

[MineralMan]

19. We're better than this on DU.

It's a baby. It has been born. Leave the baby alone, please. The baby did nothing wrong.

I suggest self-deleting the original post. Thanks a bunch.

[tammywammy]

35. +1 for deleting this thread. n/t

[SoCalMusicLover]

42. WRONG....FUCKING WRONG!!

The baby is fair game because THEY make her fair game.

If sex loving Bristol would keep to herself, then absolutely the child should be left alone. But that is 100% not the case. She uses Twitter, Facebook, Instagram to create NEWS, and keep herself in the public eye. She is posting pictures, updates, and will undoubtedly continue to do so as her children get older.

If nothing else, the 2 children should continue to be talked about, and called exactly what they are......Bastards, to show how much of a HYPOCRITE the mother is, hell.....the WHOLE FAMILY IS.

Fuck her and her privacy. She got paid to preach abstinence, then promptly proceeds to get knocked up again by her non-spouse.

Either stay in the public eye, and accept all that comes with it. Like being called a HYPOCRITE, and a PHONY. Or go away and live a more private life. But there is No Way the latter will happen, because the whole family are hyper media types, and could not just fade into the air. They are too obsessed with being relevant, so they can deal with any fallout.

Besides, I am 100% certain they couldn't care less about stupid posts on a Democratic message board.

[MineralMan]

47. Babies are not responsible for their parents. Ever.

You're simply wrong.

[tularetom]

28. Seriously WHO FUCKING CARES??

I mean, I don't have a very exciting life, but even I have better things to do with my time than follow the misadventures of dysfunctional trashy families that seem to be forced on the public, like the Kardashians, the Duggars, and above (or below) all, the miserable goddamn Palins.

[cali]

29. + a thousand

[SoCalDem]

48. If you are a Palin,there are four important questions you will always have

Who's my Daddy?
Who's my Momma?
What's my real birthday?
Why didn't I get a real name?

[Atman]

49. That's some lame-ass Photoshopping on that IV tape.

I certainly don't give a damn about the Palins, but that's not even close. Photoshopper should have at least tried to make all the numerals look as if they were written with the same pen.

[randys1]

51. We are better than this.

[WillowTree]

54. One would think.

[rocktivity]

55. UPDATE: They now have two drunken brawls to their credit, too

Gawker: ...Sarah Palin...is in Iowa to endorse Donald Trump, which will shore up Trump’s standing with Real Americans and once again give the Palin family a moment in the national spotlight. But things back home aren’t as rosy: Last night, Palin’s son, Track, was charged in Wasilla on domestic violence and weapons charges...

Gawker: According to a police report...Wasilla police were dispatched to a home owned by Sarah and Todd Palin after receiving a 911 call from a woman who said that she had been punched in the face by a male who was also in possession of a gun. 911 dispatch also received a call from Track Palin, informing them that the woman who had previously called them was drunk.

Palin...was found...outside talking on his phone with a “visible injury” to his right eye...Palin’s eyes were bloodshot...his breath smelled like alcohol, and...(he) was “uncooperative, belligerent and evasive.” Because of Palin’s “escalating hostility” and the “unknown whereabouts” of the victim, (he was) placed...under arrest.

...(O)ther officers on the scene located the victim, who is identified in the report as Palin’s girlfriend. She was found “hiding and crying underneath a bed inside the residence” and told police that earlier in the night Palin had struck her near the eye with a closed fist and then held a rifle to his head threatening suicide...

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Good timing just DOESN'T run in this family, does it?


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