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Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:47 PM

 

Isn't anyone less than half American Indian occupying something that doesn't belong to them?

I say American Indian because "Native American" can technically be applied to anyone born in America, and I don't want that easy cop out response.

Enough with the stupid updates on a small group of white morons in Oregon. The white race have bigger injustices to make up for. Europe is currently accepting many immigrants, anyone with German blood in them who is not buying a plane ticket to Germany today should be ashamed

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Reply Isn't anyone less than half American Indian occupying something that doesn't belong to them? (Original post)
GummyBearz Jan 2016 OP
snooper2 Jan 2016 #1
GummyBearz Jan 2016 #3
snooper2 Jan 2016 #7
snooper2 Jan 2016 #9
Takket Jan 2016 #24
L. Coyote Jan 2016 #31
B2G Jan 2016 #2
rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #4
EX500rider Jan 2016 #19
rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #20
Name removed Jan 2016 #27
GP6971 Jan 2016 #28
cali Jan 2016 #5
Fix The Stupid Jan 2016 #6
B2G Jan 2016 #8
Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #10
FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #11
KamaAina Jan 2016 #12
TacoD Jan 2016 #13
Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #17
Igel Jan 2016 #23
Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #30
Throd Jan 2016 #14
LanternWaste Jan 2016 #15
TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #26
NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #16
Glassunion Jan 2016 #18
HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #21
JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #22
ileus Jan 2016 #25
romanic Jan 2016 #29
Marr Jan 2016 #32

Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:50 PM

1. So you want everyone of European ancestry to get a ticket home?

 

Who should I sign my property over to then?

Collin County Appraisal District is going to want to know!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:52 PM

3. Yes

 

Sign it over to the nearest (by distance) Native American tribal government

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Response to GummyBearz (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:02 PM

7. how far back should we go...Spain claimed my quarter acre back in the 1500s

 

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Response to GummyBearz (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:12 PM

9. Thinking about it I want to go back further, can you research people from the Lithic Stage?

 

In the sequence of North American prehistoric cultural stages first proposed by Gordon Willey and Philip Phillips in 1958, the Lithic stage was the earliest period of human occupation in the Americas, occurring during the Late Pleistocene period, to time before 8,000 B.C. (before 10,000 years ago).[1] The term "lithic stage" refers to the cultures of the post-glacial hunters and collectors in South America.[2] The stage derived its name from the first appearance of Lithic flaked stone tools.[3] This stage was conceived of as embracing two major categories of stone technology: (1) unspecialized and largely unformulated core and flake industries, with percussion the dominant and perhaps only technique employed, and (2) industries exhibiting more advanced "blade" techniques of stoneworking, with specialized fluted or unfluted lanceolate points the most characteristic artifact types. Throughout South America, there are stone tool traditions of the lithic stage, such as the "fluted fishtail" that reflect localized adaptations to the diverse habitats of the continent.[4]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithic_stage

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Response to GummyBearz (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:14 PM

24. you actually think Native Americans would want that?

They are completely assimilated into the modern melting pot. North America and South America would become ghost towns. They would lose their entire way of life.

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Response to Takket (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:28 AM

31. You don't know anything about North or South America, do you?

Have you no idea how many nations of Native Americans survived the genocide? The Americas would be a garden of eden filled with people.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:52 PM

2. What does that even mean? nt

 

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:53 PM

4. No

 

"Native American" refers to Indigenous Americans exclusively, including American Indians but also Alaska Natives (who are not all "Indians" -- some are Inuit) and Pacific Islanders (like Hawaiians). Anyone who says it can mean "anyone born in America" is either a racist or ignorant. I'm assuming that the OP is just the latter. Not all Native Americans are Indians. All Indians are Native Americans. And you aren't either unless you are an enrolled member of a recognized indigenous group by the laws of that group, which vary from nation to nation or tribe to tribe. Period.


People who say "I was born here and that makes me Native American" (and people who use the word "Indian" to refer to all Indigenous Americans) tend to be expressing a racist viewpoint.

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Response to rjsquirrel (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 04:18 PM

19. People who say "I was born here and that makes me Native American"

Well technically true -not in a native American Indian way but in a you are native to where you were born way, in my case my great-greats came over in 1735, 7 generations ago. At what point are you "native born"? And if it's never then the American Indigenous tribes were native to Asia and then Africa before that like the rest of us.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:15 PM

20. Nope

 

Insisting that the literal meaning of "native" overrides the proper ethnic terminology is unenlightened.

You may be native to the US. Unless you have s tribal enrollment card you're not Native American.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:14 PM

28. So where did th Asians immigrate from

if no one is indigenous?

Welcome to DU!

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:55 PM

5. No. And your post is bizarre.

 

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:59 PM

6. Please stop with this.


The natives lost. Period. Just as countless other societies throughout the world came and went, rose and fell, etc.

How far back do we go?

Do you have any idea how bloody and ruthless the Natives were towards each other? Slavery? etc?

Who was here before they 'stole' the land?

And sorry, but for cultures that did not record any of their history, their 'oral' history has no weight.

Yes, it was awful what people/governments did to the native populations generations ago...that is not in dispute.

What I am sick of hearing is that I should be guilty for what none of my ancestors created or did. Stop with this.

And I have german blood - I am supposed to go back to Germany? When my great-grandparents came to Canada, they settled here, created a life for themselves, CONTRIBUTED to society, and looked forward, not backwards...I am Canadian. A fucking NATIVE Canadian.

Take this neo-liberal BS and shove it.



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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:05 PM

8. And where are you headed to?

 

You really should lead by example.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:13 PM

10. What if Tribe A forcibly displaced Tribe B from a particular piece of land many years ago?

Surely descendants of Tribe B would have a superior claim to that land?

It seems that lumping together all American Indians is an oversimplification.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:14 PM

11. Bizarre post

What I can make sense of is silly and wrong.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:28 PM

12. Not necessarily. Native Hawaiians are not occupying something that doesn't belong to them.

 

Quite a few Hawaiians feel the same way about their occupiers.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:28 PM

13. Anglo-Saxons out of Britain!

Give it back to the Celts!

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Response to TacoD (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:32 PM

17. Oh, don't forget about France.

That belonged to the Celts, too. Get those Franks the fuck out of there! The same goes for the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Swiss, the Austrians, the Czechs, the Slovaks, the Romanians, the Bulgarians, and the Turks.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:58 PM

23. Nope.

The celts have to retreat.

Let's hear it for the basques

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Response to Igel (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:52 PM

30. Unfortunately for the Basques...

... the Neanderthals were there first.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:48 PM

14. No, they are not. Put down the bong.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:53 PM

15. imaginary red and blue lines on a map are real is simply faith-based Magical Thinking

 

Believing imaginary red and blue lines on a map are real is simply faith-based Magical Thinking rationalized by skeptics.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:43 PM

26. sigh.

That's a ridiculous comment.

Nations draw boundaries because their citizens pool their resources to care for well being of the nations and the people within them. Cohesion creates stability which allows progressive ideas to flourish. Almost all of progress that mankind has made has occurred in times of relative stability in stable nation states.

And today a world where borders are meaningless would soon be a world where corporations control the entire world. A race to the bottom where we are all competing for the lowest wages, paying the lowest taxes.

You want single payer healthcare, social security, and other social programs? Then you support nation states and borders.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:28 PM

16. My family fled Germany after they received an ultimatum - leave, convert, or die.

So we left.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 04:11 PM

18. Dear Gummy, how Eurocentric of you.

Should just the all-white folk leave? How about folks from the Asian Continent? Oceania? Africa?

What about folks like myself? If you pull apart my ancestry I have a European/Asian father and African mother, on the most simple of levels. But where in the world should I settle down? Technically most of my mother's side did no occupying as they were brought here against their will. Does that half of me have to go? Now with my dad's side it gets complicated, as he's 3/4 Irish and 1/4 Russian. But even that is not so simple as the Irish 3/4 had some marriages with folks from Spain and France, and the Russian side is so damn confusing with all of the border movements, annexations, and the former Soviet Union. So is that 1/4 Russian, Polish, Slovakian, Belarusian, etc...? Hell I don't have a clue... Grandpa spoke Russian, German and Polish, and on top of it he was adopted by Germans. WTF on that one?

But if you're so set on it, please send your occupying force to my condo. Ring the bell. If I do not answer the door for your occupation, you'll probably find me at the pub up on State St. Come see me and I'll give you the key. I'm assuming they will be entitled to my livestock of 2 cats, 1 bird, and 1 Chinchilla. The pet food is in the kitchen cabinet to the left of the fridge. There is some pea soup in the fridge if your hungry, just microwave it on high for 2 minutes, stirring half way through. Garbage pickup is Monday and Thursday, recycling on Fridays.

Later yalls!!!

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:50 PM

21. I hate to say this...but Europeans vanquished the indigenous peoples

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I'm fairly certain that if there was a real chance of that outcome being reversed the descendants of those Europeans would vanquish them again.

Tragic but that's the nature of us.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:01 PM

22. All my ancestors were displaced from somewhere that no longer belongs to me.

So I'll stay here, thanks for the little bit of space.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:20 PM

25. Simple answer....No.

I was born 24 miles from what I call home now. The deed to my 4 acres of this great nation is in my name....I'm not going anywhere, someone wants it they better come with cash in hand.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:49 PM

29. The only way to accomplish that...

is to go back in time and prevent the European colonists from defeating the Natives.

But being serious all races have conquered one another over lands and countries that no longer exist in this day and age. And humanity will continue to do so. So your only hope is that the U.S. is conquered and destroyed - even then the odds of Natives winning the land left is close to impossible if another country defeats the U.S.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:16 AM

32. Yeah, because only white people have ever taken land.

 

Everyone else is living precisely where there genes have existed for the last 200 thousand years.

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