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Samantha

(9,314 posts)
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 04:54 PM Jan 2016

In the words of Oscar Wilde

"To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less." Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism.

And that is exactly the equivalent of what Republicans today suggest. And even more inconceivable is the fact that some Democrats agree.

But a former Democratic President still speaks to us in these words he left behind: "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich." That Democrat was John F. Kennedy, who made this comment in his 1961 inaugural address.

Food for thought in these trying times.

The above is reposted from a thread I submitted July 08, 2011. Here we are almost five years later but what has changed? I think it is important not to lose sight of those thoughts. As you might already know, Oscar Wilde was a socialist. Today we have a Democratic candidate championing the needs of the poor. In case you missed it, listen to Bernie Sanders in a recent interview by Rachel Maddow saying, "Hopeless Poverty Threatens Democracy."

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/12/bernie-sanders-hopeless-poverty-threatens

Bernie also states "we should not lead the world in childhood poverty:"

We should not be the country that has the highest rate of childhood poverty of any major country and more wealth and income inequality than any other country. We should not be the only major country on Earth that does not guarantee health care to all of our people as a right of citizenship and we should not be the only major country that does not provide medical and parental leave.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Welfare_+_Poverty.htm

This Country needs a leader who will attack these problems today rather than tomorrow. That person is Bernie Sanders. Seldom have we had a chance to undo some of the wrongs that have been thrust upon our society the last 40 plus years. But that chance is coming in the contest for the 2016 Presidential race. I hope we don't squander it.

Sam

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In the words of Oscar Wilde (Original Post) Samantha Jan 2016 OP
Great quote... tecelote Jan 2016 #1
Those classic words should be thought-provoking for everyone at this particular time Samantha Jan 2016 #2
The only ones that are over looking the poor are the GOP lewebley3 Jan 2016 #6
K&R CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #3
WOW - many thanks for this post - post like this keep me here SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #4
And I am very glad you are here, SoLeftIAmRight Samantha Jan 2016 #5
That is one of my favorite pieces of writing ever. Thanks Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #7
I am glad you liked it, Ed Suspicious Samantha Jan 2016 #16
Bernie Sanders understands everything on such a deeper level pangaia Jan 2016 #8
Perhaps it is because he rose from humble roots Samantha Jan 2016 #17
Agreed 1000%. pangaia Jan 2016 #18
yep, that's why I find HC's opposition to single-payer so offensive stupidicus Jan 2016 #9
The health insurance giants and the pharmaceutical companies would lose a bundle of money Samantha Jan 2016 #19
JFK Battled Wall Street and Big Business Octafish Jan 2016 #10
An invaluable contribution to this thread, Octafish Samantha Jan 2016 #21
Money Octafish Jan 2016 #29
The rich will replace us all with robots eventually. "The masses" will become obsolete. nt valerief Jan 2016 #11
They will certainly try Proserpina Jan 2016 #25
They don't need the masses. They can compete with each other. valerief Jan 2016 #27
Just Today Punx Jan 2016 #12
Did you hear him say (I think it was the day before yesterday) that he is going to have Samantha Jan 2016 #22
Your Welcome Punx Jan 2016 #24
They despise poor people and think they are a drag on their existence. randys1 Jan 2016 #26
K&R Paka Jan 2016 #13
Beautifully spoken. pangaia Jan 2016 #20
Wonderful comment, Paka Samantha Jan 2016 #23
Nice, Sam! KoKo Jan 2016 #14
Thank you for bringing Oscar Wilde into the conversation. K&R! myrna minx Jan 2016 #15
Yes! catrose Jan 2016 #28

tecelote

(5,129 posts)
1. Great quote...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jan 2016

"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich." That Democrat was John F. Kennedy, who made this comment in his 1961 inaugural address.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
2. Those classic words should be thought-provoking for everyone at this particular time
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jan 2016

What a tragedy we lost him so soon.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
6. The only ones that are over looking the poor are the GOP
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jan 2016

LbJ: said "vote for the people on this" the rich
can take of themselves they always have and always
will (when speaking to get congress people about
helping the poor).

I a very crafty politician that got things done for
the poor

Like Hillary and FDR

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
5. And I am very glad you are here, SoLeftIAmRight
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jan 2016

We need some serious uplifting about now. We do have some good things going for us. Perhaps we need to talk about them more.

Thank you for posting on my thread. I am so happy you enjoyed it.

Sam

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
16. I am glad you liked it, Ed Suspicious
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jan 2016

I started thinking recently it would be a good thing to try to elevate the discourse around DU to discuss the true issues at stake in this election. And the first subject I came up with I wanted to discuss was poverty in this Country. As Bernie Sanders says, this is the richest country in the world. There is no excuse why anyone should be hungry or poor, Ed Suspicious, so I am going to work as hard as I can to talk about what exactly is at stake here.

Thank you so much for posting on my thread.

Sam

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
8. Bernie Sanders understands everything on such a deeper level
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jan 2016

than all the rest, including Hillary Clinton.


It is like the difference between the violinist Clara-Jumi Kang and all the rest.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
17. Perhaps it is because he rose from humble roots
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jan 2016

and he has such a deep sense of empathy for the disadvantaged. We really need this man to win the Oval Office.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
9. yep, that's why I find HC's opposition to single-payer so offensive
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:21 PM
Jan 2016

the dems need to take some negotiating lessons from the rightwingnuts....

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
19. The health insurance giants and the pharmaceutical companies would lose a bundle of money
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:31 PM
Jan 2016

I too support single payer, but I believe the fight to get it is going to be really ugly. All major changes we want will be like that, I guess.

Thank you, stupidicus, for posting on my thread.

Sam

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. JFK Battled Wall Street and Big Business
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jan 2016

In the short time he had, President Kennedy did what he could to balance the interests of concentrated wealth with the interests of the average American -- necessary for the good of the country.

Professor Donald Gibson detailed the issues in his 1994 book, Battling Wall Street: The Kennedy Presidency.

From the book:



"What (J.F.K. tried) to do with everything from global investment patterns to tax breaks for individuals was to re-shape laws and policies so that the power of property and the search for profit would not end up destroying rather than creating economic prosperity for the country."

-- Donald Gibson, Battling Wall Street. The Kennedy Presidency



More on the book, by two great Americans:



"Gibson captures what I believe to be the most essential and enduring aspect of the Kennedy presidency. He not only sets the historical record straight, but his work speaks volumes against today's burgeoning cynicism and in support of the vision, ideal, and practical reality embodied in the presidency of John F. Kennedy - that every one of us can make a difference." -- Rep. Henry B. Gonzalez, Chair, House Committee on Banking, Finance, and Urban Affairs

"Professor Gibson has written a unique and important book. It is undoubtedly the most complete and profound analysis of the economic policies of President Kennedy. From here on in, anyone who states that Kennedy was timid or status quo or traditional in that field will immediately reveal himself ignorant of Battling Wall Street. It is that convincing." -- James DiEugenio, author, Destiny Betrayed. JFK, Cuba, and the Garrison Case --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.



Had he lived to serve a second term, I'd bet on JFK and American Labor over The Fed and Wall Street.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
21. An invaluable contribution to this thread, Octafish
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jan 2016

Thank you so much.

John Kennedy was very much an independent thinker. He had developed plans of his own which he kept secret from the military industrial complex, plans which would have greatly benefited this Country. He wanted to get us out of Vietnam and following the Cuban Missile Crisis, he privately resolved to improve the relationship between the United States and the then Soviet Union. This Country would be a different place today if only he had lived.

Sam

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
29. Money
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jan 2016

"When I was young I thought that money was the most important thing in life; now that I am old I know that it is." -- Oscar Wilde



Thank you for the kind words and grokking, Samantha. Thank you for a most important OP and thread about what really matters.

Please allow me to add that I don't for a minute believe Mr. Wilde -- or you and the good people on DU and the sources mentioned in this thread --would ever consider money or property or things at all to trump peace, even for all the money in the world.

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
25. They will certainly try
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jan 2016

but I predict a total failure on their part. The economics are not there, nor the creativity. And to tell the truth, if not for the adoring, envious masses, what would be the point of being in the 1%?

valerief

(53,235 posts)
27. They don't need the masses. They can compete with each other.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jan 2016

As for creativity, brilliant scientists will build the robots who can build and repair more robots, and those scientists will die out.

And the day will come when the robots will kill the humans. It has been ordained.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
22. Did you hear him say (I think it was the day before yesterday) that he is going to have
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jan 2016

George W. Bush* start campaigning for him because he is still popular.

He also said he would phase out Medicare and replace it with something else. I am sure that was good news for Floridians to hear, since many of them are retirees.

Jeb Bush has no sense of reality. I guess I should stop at that.

Thank you for posting on my thread.

Sam

Punx

(446 posts)
24. Your Welcome
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jan 2016

I know that he was also talking about reducing Social Security benefits last year, the specifics of which escape me at the moment and don't really matter as any idea he has can't possibly be good for the average person.

Made sure that my Republican parents (on both Medicare and Social Security) heard about it, which of course they hadn't from the MSM at the time.

Take care.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. They despise poor people and think they are a drag on their existence.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jan 2016

All that matters to the rightwing mind is self, and the closest family member.

Nothing else, environment or whatever, nobody else, matters.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
13. K&R
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jan 2016

The inner feeling of sheer joy that I get from supporting this moral and honorable man for President cannot be put into words. I've been voting for 52 years and I'm just grateful that I lived long enough for this moment.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
23. Wonderful comment, Paka
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:48 PM
Jan 2016

It is almost too good to be true that we have a chance to have Bernie Sanders as our President.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

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