BUSTED: Guess What The Bundy Militia Was Doing While They Were Not In Gunfights With The FBI

[ashling]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/01/09/busted-guess-what-the-bundy-militia-was-doing-while-they-were-not-in-gunfights-with-the-fbi/

In a rather serendipitous occurrence, the blue tarp man himself – LaVoy Finicum – was leading OPB reporter John Sepulvado through the building on a tour, explaining what their plans were for the building. That’s when Finicum led him right into something none of the militia wanted anyone to see.
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Sepulvado observed militants interacting with government computers in the compound that can only be accessed with employee badges. Employee badges were also strewn about the room, laying out in plain sight, along with papers that had names and Social Security numbers on them.

Finicum immediately realized how badly he screwed the pooch by allowing the OPB reporter to see what they were doing, and for good reason. Their activities likely will fall under the Computer Fraud And Abuse Act which carries some serious penalties (fines and up to 10 years in prison) for what they were doing.
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I thought that the Blue Tarp man wanted to go home to tend to his wayward cows.

Letting the press in on the computer fraud - a guy could lose his snacks for that

[saltpoint]

1. Gonna need more snacks and some lawyers. eom

[Kber]

13. Send lawyers snacks and money

They already have the guns.

[saltpoint]

14. LOL! A lot of these para-militia folks

like to say that President Obama is coming for their guns.

They have good reason to be fearful. Even before Jade Helm, I'm assuming Obama came for their brains, and the undertaking was a huge success, as the president clearly absconded with every single one of them.

The guns are next, boys. And then the snacks.

[Pakid]

38. Came for their brains

I wonder how he managed to find something that doesn't exist.

[saltpoint]

39. Ahh, politics. : ) eom

[saltpoint]

40. I'm fully expecting 60 Minutes to

do an extended interview this evening with the Blue Tarp Guy.

[awoke_in_2003]

91. Why not?

They are set to do a fluff piece on Russia's Syrian actions tonight. They may as well get photographed fellating Putin.

[saltpoint]

93. Putin. Shirtless. The horse. The

windswept tundra...

[kjones]

79. Could have been worse...

he could have been looking for WMDs...

[treestar]

53. LOL!

Yes he clearly has absconded with the brains of every single one of them!

[crim son]

66. I laughed out loud at this post.

"The guns are next, boys And then the snacks." Brilliant!

[razorman]

100. I can't help it. Every time I read the name, "Bundy",

I flash back to 'Married With Children'.

[crim son]

118. Oh dear,

I hadn't thought of that. Thanks a bunch!

[abakan]

17. Send lawyers...

[Jack Rabbit]

73. It's been a long times since I heard that

I could never make sense out of the lyrics. Years later, in the 1980s, I would think of this song when I saw the first banner headline on the afternoon paper announcing the Iran-Contra scandal. I've forgotten the exact wording of the headline, but it somehow got most of the elements of the story: selling arms to Iran in the hopes of getting hostages released in Lebanon and keeping the Contras afloat in Nicaragua. As most of Reagan's foreign policy capers, it sounded like an unsold script for a Hollywood action movie.

[ALBliberal]

19. Funny!

[progressoid]

55. "The shit has hit the fan"

[SoLeftIAmRight]

108. he die too young

got a big laugh out of your post - - a top ten for me

[SummerSnow]

127. snaaaaacks....

[underahedgerow]

2. So aren't the feds smart enough to be able to hack into their own systems and see what they

guys are doing ON those computers?

Calling Agent Mike, come in, over.

I don't mind seeing the charges piling up against these nutters.

Although, that being said, it IS the Audoban Society (no offense to the birders). Not too sure about how much access they actually have, other than general internet.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. It's not the Audoban Society, it's US Fish &Wildlife Services and they have many duties which

are both important and contentious to the Bundy Gang.

[pangaia]

9. That is spelled autobahn !

[TheBlackAdder]

42. I love the sarcasm of Germany's 'Autobahn' to correct the first misspelling of Audubon. nt

[emulatorloo]

29. How do you know the Feds haven't done that?

Feds aren't going to tell the media and reveal to the Bundys what the Feds are doing.

[2naSalit]

58. All those computers are monitored

and have limited access except that they also have internet access too.

[Hortensis]

65. Yes, I'm pretty sure all activity is documented

as it happens, and perhaps that blocks on some activity were set up in the early days. After all, the feds were involved in this case almost immediately.

BTW, I just did a brief search for info on what the feds are up to, and they're holding their cards much, much closer than the hoodlums. Found no "leaks" on what they are doing.

[Lordquinton]

85. Hard to leak when you're not doing anything

Sorry, feeling cynnical about the feds reaction because there is nothing visibly being done, like cutting the power/water/internet/roads/arresting people that leave, Feel like they're doing nothing at all...

[awoke_in_2003]

92. Stupid sexy Flanders. nt

[Hortensis]

104. Stupid Fed Neds. Totally oblivious

to our feelings. Sleep well.

[Tortmaster]

117. All of Government, from the Federal down to the States to ...

... local Governments should avoid shootouts whenever possible. These folks are penguins in a zoo, but even I'm about getting tired of them. They will fade away. Then, catch them when nobody can be harmed.

The same principle applies when somebody flees a police officer because of a traffic stop. There's no need for guns.

[Lordquinton]

119. It's been 30 years, you think they would have arrested someone by now.

There's a difference between preventing a shootout and doing nothing, they could have cut the power and water (Like they said they were going to do) and set up road blocks. Or, you know, arrest them when they leave.

But none of that is happening. They are letting it go on unchecked and that's just going to embolden others to act out. And everyone knows that it's deliberate, our trigger happy police force not shooting a gang of terrorists who like to point their guns at cops? the only reason they haven't turned the bird sanctuary into a mausoleum is because of the color of their skin.

[Tortmaster]

122. I agree with this:

"the only reason they haven't turned the bird sanctuary into a mausoleum is because of the color of their skin."

I would like to see the British Model of non-confrontation in every situation (except the gravest). I don't want these yahoos becoming martyrs. Let them eat their snacky cakes and play candy crush on the Bird Sanctuary computer until everyone forgets. Then, arrest them when they don't suspect it.

[Hortensis]

124. I don't agree skin color is protecting the Bundy group.

The largest factor by far for the lack of blood is that this is being handled by federally trained operatives according to federal procedures.

This is in comparison to murders by dangerously incompetent and unsuited local thugs who react to "outliers" and challenges to their authority with violence -- usually supported by similarly dangerous and biased law-enforcement cultures. I say "outliers" because many people are killed by cops who are of their own race but who labeled their victims as..."those" people, not "our" people. Outliers. Outside the worthy group to be protected.

You know, the feds not only have overwhelming advantage, they also have lots of time, and, as already said, they really don't want another standoff bloodbath that would feed extremist ideology for decades to come.

As for the feds doing nothing, that's so obviously not true. They are allowing interviews with journalists villifying government and glorifying crime. They are allowing various other civilians in (including armed militants!), communications out (including coordination of prospective crimes with other local ranchers!). And so on. I'm not making a joke. They could have blocked all that, isolated these schmucks completely. But they didn't and aren't...

[Lordquinton]

128. There is more than enough to put all these guys away for decades

And nothing.

If you don't think race has anything to do with this I have one word for you: Ferguson

[Hortensis]

133. Tunnel visioned a bit? Maye focus it on the badges, then,

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and read those.

Of course the feds have enough to put these terminal jerks away "for decades." The tragedy isn't that they won't be, barring their killing someone. That's how it should be. Maybe away for a few years, but decades in prison for insurrectionist silliness? We're not a fascist state yet. (I would favor saddling them with the total bill for this, and they could start working it off in prison; if the remainder turned out to be a life sentence, too bad!)

You're mistakenly equating this with very different situations. Here are some words for you, Lordquinton: Ferguson Police Department. Ferguson City Council. St. Louis County Prosecutor.

Please think about it. By far most of cop-on-citizen tragedies happen to people who are targeted by out-of-control local authorities. That is what I said before -- not that race "has nothing to do with it," but that these white men are alive and well because they did not brandish their weapons at local authoritarians who might only need that spark to attack, and of course who sometimes attack with no provocation at all.

ALSO, importantly because they were a group -- which would cause higher-ups to take charge, and not an easy single victim. I'm sure you've noticed that the vast majority of police murders are of individuals. Bad cops apparently see lone individuals as more attractive potential victims than they do armed groups.

Sure danger from our own authorities is a lot worse for Blacks and other minorities, especially after the election of Obama in 2008. BUT, if police-on-citizen crimes were only about skin color and structural racism, many, many thousands of innocent whites would not have been murdered, severely injured, and/or railroaded into prison in just the same way. White people in hundreds of communities across the nation would not also be preyed on by their own local governments and end up thousands of dollars in debt after being written up for bogus and real but minor traffic and civil violations.

I'm really glad Black Lives Matter and other groups are having such great success by focusing on the persecution of 13% of our population. I'd be glad even if it only helped 13% of the hardest hit of all of us, but this isn't actually just a black problem. It's not just a Hispanic problem either. Or just an LGBT problem. Or just a poor-people problem.

Maybe this'll be an eye-opener: Conservative cops really don't like poor people -- of any color. As one severely shocked and outraged elderly woman exclaimed repeatedly to me here in the South, "They treated me like a ni**r!" I didn't doubt it for a moment; she was a stereotypical thin, worn, poor Southern white, with the signs of a hard life all over her.

Notably, there are a LOT of poor white people in this country -- who also cross bad cops just by existing -- more than the entire Black population. For these people, calling the police for help is also potentially more dangerous than not, the same as for minority Americans. I was poor and often homeless as a child. I know. I was physically abused twice by cops who were supposed to protect small children, not hurt them. Think maybe it wasn't my skin color so much as the rest of my appearance? Oh: blonde, blue eyes, white -- but a disgrace to the natural order.

Fortunately, what's being done now is going to help all of us. As for Oregon inequity, I'd like to see all local police departments and prosecutors be required to work to the same standards as the Federal Marshals. They're not perfect either, it's not an unreachable standard.

Also that crime levels in all communities in a state not be allowed to deviate by more than a certain percentage. We would have to allocate more tax dollars to attain that, though, with the heaviest costs up front before coming down tremendously.

[Megahurtz]

134. WHY oh WHY aren't the Feds removing them?

What are they waiting for? Do they care at all?

[Hortensis]

137. LOL. Bundy etc used tools found on site to take down

some government fencing. They claim to have done it at the request of a rancher.

I don't know, Megahurtz. Maybe the feds have made up a list of possible crimes they can commit from there and are placing bets on the final score. Or maybe the boss has been too busy foiling a terrorist plot to blow up the Seattle Space Needle to give this attention.

Whatever. We should be used to the silence by now in these situations. They do what they do when they do it, and then they give a press conference.

[Lordquinton]

136. After reading this paragraph

"Sure danger from our own authorities is a lot worse for Blacks and other minorities, especially after the election of Obama in 2008. BUT, if police-on-citizen crimes were only about skin color and structural racism, many, many thousands of innocent whites would not have been murdered, severely injured, and/or railroaded into prison in just the same way. White people in hundreds of communities across the nation would not also be preyed on by their own local governments and end up thousands of dollars in debt after being written up for bogus and real but minor traffic and civil violations."

There's nothing left to say.

[Drahthaardogs]

103. I know for a fact ALL government electronic equipment can be monitored.

They are not doing anything without the government's knowledge.

[Baitball Blogger]

3. So, they had to double-down on their seditious act before anyone proclaimed,

"Ummmmm. They're in trouble now."

[uponit7771]

4. At this point they can shoot the sheriff, burn down the building and

... Rape the cows and they'd still not be arrested.

[zeemike]

18. Yep that is how they see it.

Nothing will happen to them because it never has.

[artislife]

49. If they were in Washington, the cow thing wouldn't be against the law

just saying...we had a guy and a horse a couple years ago...

[uponit7771]

50. lol!!

[libdem4life]

101. He must have been Really Tall...LOL

[LongTomH]

5. Mr. Bundy, meet my friend Max

"Max who???"

"Max Security!" Nyuk, yuk yuk

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. These ranchers don't seem to have much ranching to do. nt

[Ikonoklast]

67. The closest some of those got to a ranch was when they ordered the ranch

dressing with their Buffalo wings at Hooter's.

[jmowreader]

69. They seem to be all snacks, no cattle

[Bernardo de La Paz]

71. DUZY !

[pangaia]

8. LaVoy Finicum ??

Where do they come up with these names?

[pinboy3niner]

10. He also goes by #BlueTarpMan

[pangaia]

15. Yea, That is much better, I think.

[GoneFishin]

123. AKA #TueBlarpMan during covert re-supply missions for pork rinds, nail polish, and Sam's Club cola.

"more bocholate challs with the fin toil wrappers".

[emulatorloo]

30. Has a novel on Amazon.

Some kind of survivalist fantasy.

[Bluenorthwest]

52. 1896

It's also where they get their ethos.

[pangaia]

61. I think I will do an OP.

Thanks.

[uppityperson]

62. Here's a picture of him

Going out for coffee


But wait! Help is on its way!

[FrodosPet]

130. So if there actually IS an armed reaction

I would think one of the first steps would be for snipers (or maybe an armed drone?) to light up the blue tarp.

Was Walmart all out of camo tarps?

[uppityperson]

131. I think blue is warmer because it fools the cold into thinking it is already cold while inside it's

toasty warm. See?

[FrodosPet]

132. Makes total sense to me

That blue tarp fellow is quite crafty.

He should be put in charge of the next 7 Eleven run. I bet HE is smart enough to get enough Jacks Links, Krispy Kreme donuts (not those lame ass Hostess ones) and a LOT more Flaming Cheetos.

[jalan48]

11. I guess we are just being conditioned to accept camo-clad thugs with guns on our strrets

and in our government buildings. It will all seem normal after awhile.

[KingCharlemagne]

24. What if? What if the Yewhadists are really a little

demonstration project, psy-ops style? That is a truly frightening proposition.

[jalan48]

26. I think the longer this goes on the more we have to question why.

We have spent billions of dollars training law enforcement and our military to deal with terrorist/hostage situations. These organizations know what to do in these situations. If this were an occupation by a eco, black, or occupy group do we honestly believe the government would be allowing supporters to come in and join them? Or that the "protesters" would be free to come and go? That the power to the building would still be on?

[MH1]

41. Well, Occupy did occupy Dilworth Square in Philadelphia for quite some time, before

being evicted.

And then the authorities used a construction project as an excuse to make them leave.

I'm not equating the two movements by any means. But just on the point of occupying a public space and not being evicted immediately, I think there are similarities.

That said, I'm not aware that Occupy Philly occupied any government offices or prevented any officials from doing their jobs (except maybe cleanup and maintenance in the area that they occupied). So that's probably a significant difference.

[jalan48]

45. The Occupy protesters weren't armed to the teeth, threatening to overthrow the government.

There's a big qualitative difference between the Bundy Militia crowd and the protesters of Occupy. BLM and Greenpeace. If Bundy had showed up and occupied the land in a peaceful or semi-peaceful manner the two would be similar. I think a better way to view it would be if Occupy took over a Federal Reserve Bank and held it with assault rifles to get their point across. How long do you think they would have been allowed to be there?

[Fritz Walter]

78. Is it *still* too soon after Ruby Ridge? Waco?

Are the feds -- FBI, Marshalls, ATF(&E) -- so trigger shy that they're stalling acting against this farcical occupation, because they do not want to create any martyrs for this unholy cause?

Or, are they gathering even more evidence to use against these Trailer Daesch bags? So that when they are taken alive, these losers will never see the light of day again, except through steel bars and barbed wire.

[MisterP]

81. yup--it's basically sanctioning paramilitarism

[japple]

99. But only if they are white. If they are beige, brown, black,

they will be dead quickly.

[Geronimoe]

12. Using their logic (if you can call it that)

These are not government computers, files, and emails. Rather these are the Bundy's per his understanding of US Constitutional law and his God.

[truebluegreen]

33. Is that why they showed "consciousness of guilt"

when they realized they had revealed what they were doing?

[valerief]

16. These assholes are still being treated like criminal banksters--with kid gloves

and coddled like a new mother.

The corruption of this government is beyond shameless. It's surreal.

[Plucketeer]

23. These modern-day land grabs

And the ease of their execution have got to look appealing to guys sittin' home with their M-16s cradled in their laps. Gas up the 4-wheel drive truck, round up the gun's 'n ammo and load up with Fritos and bottled water. Let's go claim us some property. I mean - who's gonna stop us?

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

88. We could start a whole new version of a range war

if thousands of citizens showed up in mass to "take back our land" for the wildlife.

[MH1]

43. I really don't understand how nobody's been arrested yet.

If someone leaves the site and goes to a motel or into town to get supplies, why not arrest the creep?

Sure, the Bundys are holding the buildings, equipment, etc hostage, and are armed, but why not plan to charge them to the full extent of the law for whatever damage they do? So if they throw a temper tantrum and destroy stuff if one or more of their gang is arrested, so be it.

[catbyte]

20. Meh, after Bundy Ranch, I don't think anything will happen to any one of them.

[ejbr]

25. True dat n/t

[Duppers]

28. Yup, quite likely.

These jerks seem to have a free pass on any and every violation outside of murder.

[catbyte]

75. Being a group of heavily-armed white men has its privileges.

[summerschild]

21. What the Feds are doing makes no sense to me.

They could have frozen them out by now without ever having one shot fired, just by cutting utilities off. They could have blockaded the roads in to the building. They could have forbidden access to the media to conduct interviews and forbidden these idiots celebrity status.

I just don't get it.

Is this a means to help along the privatization of park lands, like John McCain's recent support for selling mineral rights to foreign interests?

Just feels like there's a lot we don't know.....

[Mopar151]

86. freezeup damage to the buildings would be $$$$$

That, and the vandalisim spree that is sure to be ongoing would ramp up significantly. Pushing these coffee shop commandos significantly could get really ugly - they are already turning on each other.

[Vinca]

22. I wonder how many identities will be compromised before law enforcement moves in.

This is beyond ridiculous. Apparently, it's okay to shoot a young black kid holding a toy gun within seconds of stopping a patrol car, but it seems the stamp of approval has been given to (white) domestic terrorists. At the very least the access in and out of the compound should be blocked.

[Wellstone ruled]

35. Couple of things.

1) Dept of Ag and the Forest Service will have to finally update their Tech systems. Probably still using 1980 desktop like the Air Traffic Guys.

2) These so called Patriots just screwed themselves by tampering with Private Data,or data theft. And these A----holes are protecting our Constitution? Don't think so.


Just can not imagine the grief BLM and Forestry families are going to endue after this breach of their private data. SS numbers,names and address,cell and land line numbers,can not imagine what this is going to cost money wise a loan,besides all the hassle with Credit Agencies.

[2naSalit]

63. In addition...

These kkklowns don't recognize the government but say they are protecting the Constitution..?

SO I think they aren't really citizens.

The computers may be that old but I suspect they have Win7 with Google Chrome as the rest of Dept. of Int. computer do.

The federal employees' personal info is already being monitored for identity theft and unusual activity since the OPM hacking last year, we ALL (past and present federal employees, contractors and interns) have that for another 11 months, these folks will likely have theirs extended.

The email can be accessed and the internet and some internet files that are not author or status protected, so there's that which could be significant.


Edit to add: Those computers can be controlled remotely.

[Wellstone ruled]

70. Hope this info does not get out.

[2naSalit]

80. Theu already know

what they could find out. The personal stuff is already under scrutiny. As far as getting out, if these idiots can dream up the conspiracies they do they should have figured this out... even these mental magnates.

[Wellstone ruled]

83. Really concerning.

This whole group of wannabe Patriots will use anything available to either harass or intimidate any and all of the persons who's vital info was gleaned from the computers in the Park Office building. Most of these people or as they call themselves Patriots,are probable one step ahead of a bill collector or some Court Judgement.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

94. Speaking of harassment and intimidation what's to stop environmental activists

and others from harassing these so called Patriots right back, give them a huge taste of their own medicine.

[Wellstone ruled]

95. That would be novel to say the least.

Think not. Whole different mind set.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

102. Wasn't thinking of physical harassment. n/t

[JoeyT]

106. Well, the feds would probably shoot them.

Environmental activism is one of the few things a white person can engage in that will actually get them called a terrorist.

[2naSalit]

96. Most likely.

But, having been hacked via the OPM last year, which most of us have been aware of, it was advised not to enter or keep personal info on agency computers. At this point, the only employees whose info might be on any computer there would be supervisory, year-round employees. Most of the really private stuff would be at an entirely different location. But they could find agency info that would be most troubling but I don't suppose too much sensitive stuff would be accessible, lots of firewalls. I had to have four login codes as a nobody so they would have to discover what all those might be. I think the access cards require a login too. They may be able to open the computers and get online but that may be it too.

But they are certainly engaging in serious federal offenses with this action piled on top of those relative to simply breaking in and "occupying" the place. Lots of folks can't do their jobs right now so that sucks.

It's a clusterphuck that I hope doesn't turn into a catastraphuck.

[Wellstone ruled]

110. As per a family member at HSA,

he lost tons of files and contact info. Stated the breach was double what he was told the first go around. And if these People did glean info,knowing of a couple of them though acquaintances,these POS's have threaten people in the past and the Powers that be just blew it off.

[2naSalit]

112. Can't argue on that point...

I was hacked and I knew it long before anyone at OPM or Interior would admit it and then they blew me off when I brought it up. My phone was hacked!

And I have gone a few rounds with folks like these sidewinders before and suffered the stalking and death threats, it sucks to deal with.

At this point, I don't care what happens to them as long as they don't go home and rejoin their minions. Actually, I hope a majority of the y'allQeada show up and get bagged too. I suspect they won't be there long enough to use up those supplies, at least I hope not, they have disrupted an entire town, county and more.

[Wellstone ruled]

113. Be safe and

got a hunch these Guys have met their collective Waterloo's.

[2naSalit]

114. I hope so too.

I keep to my self a lot and choose my battles wisely.

[PeoViejo]

27. No Snickers Bar for you.

Somehow, I get the feeling that this Op didn't turn out the way it was planned.

[Duppers]

34. ?

What do you mean?

[MH1]

44. Probably posted to the wrong OP by mistake.

Makes no sense to me either.

[pinboy3niner]

77. After seeing the text in that repy, I think you may be right

[Bernardo de La Paz]

72. It was planned?

The militia is well regulated?

It is capable of planning?

Snacks?

[PatrynXX]

31. I thought they cut the power to the building

face palm

[NobodyHere]

32. So which government idiot left his card at work?

He needs to get fired.

[LuvLoogie]

46. I'd rather the government employees get medals

for baiting the anti-government idiots into more idiocy. Like chumming invasive carp.

[NobodyHere]

54. If the employees were truly "baiting"

Then Vanilla ISIS would have a strong case for entrapment.


This is the reason why we have so many breaches of security. Many people in the government just don't give a shit.

[LuvLoogie]

57. The article mentioned cards. Plural.

So perhaps it was policy to leave the computer access cards at work.

Of course it's not entrapment. And it's not a NORAD installation for Pete's sake.

The people that work at the reserve aren't idiots. They just aren't paranoid, gun-humping authoritarians.

[NobodyHere]

64. Why the hell would you leave access cards next to the equipment they're used for?

Doesn't that eliminate the point of having access cards?

[LuvLoogie]

68. Maybe the cards were secured. Maybe the anti-government

idiots, who broke into the facility, also broke into other secure locations of the facility.

[Beartracks]

82. That's my thought, too. If I'm not mistaken, access cards...

... are required to be locked up if you are not taking them with you at the end of the day. Technically, a locked file cabinet or desk drawer will do; they're just not supposed to be laying around or generally visible or easily accessible to, say, visitors or a cleaning crew. But criminals, once in the building, could "un-secure" such cards if they really wanted to, I suppose.

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[PatrynXX]

36. I call this basically LOOTING so now what officers?

Oh they aren't looting or damaging anything , uh for sure looting , getting into computers is virtually damaging things. Whats a rednecks version of no damage btw. oh didn't see your truck there. ahh it's just a minor ding you can live with it. (I got rear ended the other day by a maroon who'd just had an accident a month before. Tough being 21 isn't it. I'm near twice his age but I don't feel it. X_X I gotta start putting the cops number up on the board in my car. smh yeah he got a good ticket for that one. my dads insurance wanted to make sure. might be my Van but it's his insurance. and I made sure that dimwit didn't leave. ) just like hey yall make sure you don't leave I wanna make sure ya didn't break anything.

[Rex]

47. YES SIR! SPOT ON!

And ANY MOMENT NOW...CNN and Foxnews will be talking about these horrible violent looters and how dangerous they are. Oh wait, nevermind their pigmentation is white and their leaning is to the far right...so much for that idea.

I wonder if this will now cause them to lose Dennys Steak night privileges with the Feds?

[Scurrilous]

37. Fancy Federal computers + "finally, some high speed internet" + no nosy wives around = Porn Binge!!

Lavoy's gonna Finicum like there's no tomorrow. Why do you think he was under that tarp anyway? A man needs his privacy...

[GoCubsGo]

48. Who didn't see this coming?

I hope the whole lot of them get rewarded with a nice trip to that federal facility in Florence, Colorado.

[artislife]

51. We should charge them with declaring war on the US

and treat them all to military prison...isn't that Leavenworth?
https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/lvn/

Let them park out in a Federal building for the rest of their lives.

[ashling]

97. Let's see ... did we ever close Gitmo?

I get so confused with the on again off again plans for that

[DemoTex]

56. Time for the Five-O solution ..

Let them cool their heels while due process takes its course.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

59. You just KNOW every keystroke was logged....

I can see it now.

Their Great Leader standing there saying, "Federal computers!!! We're gonna find out the TRUTH!!! Do a search for 'Ruby Ridge'!!!".

The guy at the terminal says, "All that's coming back is 'Ruby Throated Humming Bird!".

(Like I said in another post - This place is for the birds.)

[maggies farm]

60. Doing the work of posse comitatus

"Posse comitatus is the common-law or statute law authority of a county sheriff, or other law officer, to conscript any able-bodied man to assist him in keeping the peace or to pursue and arrest a felon, similar to the concept of the "hue and cry.""

This is very serious and should not be taken lightly. It is already reported that weeks leading up to the occupations members of the community were followed and harassed in their daily lives by the outside agitators brought in by Ammon Bundy.

It was reported that press witnessed exposed social security numbers and ID badges revealing home addresses of Malheur Wildlife Refuge employees. This now makes those employees vulnerable to vigilante justice when these individuals did not create the policies that potentially impact ranching on public lands within the area.

Oddy the real complaint is the administration of BLM policies pertaining Bundy along with alleged prosecutorial misconduct on behalf of the Harney County Court and that is where the occupation should have occurred.

The Posse also was one of the first modern radical groups to take up issues of land use — the same kind of issues exploited by Bundy and the armed militias that supported him in Nevada this spring. It disrupted environmental regulatory hearings, fought farm unionization, and intervened in land disputes.

https://www.splcenter.org/20140709/war-west-bundy-ranch-standoff-and-american-radical-right

Harney County Committee of Safety For the people, by the people

This committee was formed by the belief of the supremacy of the county and the county sheriff as being the highest authority and arbitrator.

COUNTY SUPREMACY

This is the belief that the county sheriff is the highest law enforcement authority and that the American people, through the federal government, have no right to public lands. Rep. Ken Ivory, the public face of the land seizure movement, subscribes to this ideology as seen in his endorsement of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association.

LAND SEIZURE MOVEMENT

Proponents of land seizures use quasi-legal arguments to underpin their belief that the federal government promised to give American public lands to the states when they entered the Union, and therefore believe that the federal government (and the American people) have no right to public lands.
http://www.westernpriorities.org/2016/01/08/explainer-the-influence-of-county-supremacy-doctrine-in-the-oregon-standoff/

RESOLUTION OF THE PEOPLE OF HARNEY COUNTY ON THE STATUS OF HARNEY COUNTY LANDS MANAGED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

Whereas; The local management of public land within Harney County will create a simpler, more efficient, more manageable, more productive and more functional use of those lands. Therefore;
Be it Resolved; We the undersigned residents of Harney County do hereby support the development of a plan to provide the expedient, systematic and harmonious transfer of all currently managed Federal lands within Harney County to the jurisdiction of the people of Harney County.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzA6vDGp4Z8WMnRicFZhZ0VnX1UycGc2bHVCajNreDdHWkZ3/view
http://www.hccommitteeofsafety.org

This remains a continuation of the Sagebrush Rebellion and the rebuking of the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 that addressed the over grazing of public lands many years ago.

The Taylor Grazing Act of 1934[1] (Pub.L. 73–482) is a United States federal law that provides for the regulation of grazing on the public lands (excluding Alaska) to improve rangeland conditions and regulate their use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Grazing_Act_of_1934

This is the worst place to attempt a retaking of public lands because of the importance of healing and preserving this landscape.
Frenchglen and the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

MNWR Invasive Carp YouTube
There's a problem with Invasive Carp at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon

Wildlife in the area includes as many as 320 species of birds and 58 species of mammals in desert, grassland, marsh and rimrock habitats. Malheur serves as a Pacific Flyway stop for the northern pintail and tundra swan, lesser and greater sandhill crane, snow goose and Ross’ goose. Ducks, grebes, pelicans and trumpeter swans are drawn to the numerous ponds, marshes and lakes. Deer, antelopes, ducks, pheasants, thrashers and quails can be found in the upland areas in sagebrush, greasewood and wild rye.[8][9]

Refuge officials have been actively managing an overabundance of common carp (Cyprinus carpio) in the refuge since at least the 1970s. The invasive fish species was likely introduced to the refuge's waterways prior to the 1920s as a food source, and has been recognized as an ecological threat to the region since the 1950s. Carp are aggressive feeders that have reduced food availability and diminished habitat quality for the migratory bird species that utilize the refuge's marshes and lakes as part of the Pacific flyway. In 2014, a $35,000 contract to capture and remove carp was awarded to a fishing crew that specializes in the removal of invasive fish species.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

Occupied Oregon wildlife refuge known for listening to ranchers

Grievances of outside protesters don’t seem to fit Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, where local Oregon ranchers and federal managers spent years working out their differences and arriving at a collaborative “adaptive management” plan.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/occupied-oregon-wildlife-refuge-known-for-listening-to-ranchers/

Please do everything to retain federal control and encourage local input and involvement.

[L. Coyote]

107. Thanks for posting this. Very useful info.

Enjoyed the video...many dimensions to this story. Love that area, especially Hart Mtn. to the south and the Antelope Range. Great and very significant archaeology out there.
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The #BundyBunch was spotted this morning, foraging for snacks.

[Babel_17]

74. Were those computers connected to the larger network?

Were they logged on locally, or to other government networks (or even just the internet)? If not just the local network, there has to be logs. And even that local network might have off site backups of activity. Even onsite logs might be safe from non-experts trying to cover their tracks.

[leveymg]

76. Just hope they didn't find the BLM launch codes for the Interior Dept ICBMs

They are in SUCH trouble!

[saltpoint]

89. Likely a big run all of a sudden for RED DAWN. eom

[bulloney]

87. They ought to check how much those goobers used the computers to watch porn.

[awoke_in_2003]

90. That is surprising

I would have suspected "mating with their sisters and barnyard animals"

[Ford_Prefect]

98. What the FBI should be doing is checking out what Ammon is hiding at the house in Emmett, ID.

Ammon and his wife bought a house just a 3 hour drive from Burns, WA. in June 2015. 5,102 square feet on 4.89 acres.I guess that federal loan can only stretch just so far.

http://www.idahopress.com/members/ammon-bundy-owns-house-in-emmett/article_e85ecca1-d9f2-5e64-9283-1cc5532f4442.html

Makes you wonder just what is hiding in the garage in Emmett, and who's hanging out in the guest room there, coordinating and communicating with the Bundy bunch.

The more I read about Ammon the more I get the feeling he sells a lot of snake oil. But maybe that's just the family business.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

105. I won't worry about what I can't control. But I will split a gut watching them all in prison.

[Babel_17]

109. Better than that is if they cop an insanity plea

They talk to shrinks about their delusions, and the doctors agree that they do possess diminished faculties.

Any decent lawyer will urge that, if they're facing multiple felonies. Imo that is, I am not a lawyer. (IANAL)

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

126. There go there 2nd amendment "rights".

[L. Coyote]

111. OPB: With Militants Occupying Ancestral Land, Native Tribe Is 'Very Offended' LISTEN

With Militants Occupying Ancestral Land, Native Tribe Is 'Very Offended'

More than a week has passed since armed men took over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. The self-described militiamen are demanding that the federal government give up that land for people to use for ranching, mining and logging.

But there's another group with roots on that land: Native Americans, especially the Burns Paiute tribe. The wildlife refuge is part of the tribe's ancestral lands.

"The tribe is very offended," says Charlotte Rodrique, the chairperson of the Burns Paiute Tribal Council, in an interview with NPR's Michel Martin. "[The militants'] theme, of course, was that we're going to give it back to the original owners, which were the ranchers. Of course, that rubbed me the wrong way because that's our aboriginal territory."

And she says it's not simply the tribe's land; they harbor a long history there, too.

"We do have burial sites, we have artifacts, we have petroglyphs, we have resources there that we utilize as a tribe," she says. "We take our children out to teach them traditional lifestyle. Identifying plants and medicines that are traditional to our people. In fact, our band of Paiute people is named after that seed that grows on the shores there at the marsh."

..... LISTEN .......

[JeaneRaye]

115. But is anyone doing anything about it?

I read that the government was going to disconnect electricity and phone lines as well as cut off access to roads and delivery services, blah, blah, blah...... but I've yet to read that any of this has happened. They've let Cliven Bundy continue to graze cattle on public land without paying his grazing fees..... So WTF is the government doing about any of this?!!

[Megahurtz]

135. This is true,

why aren't they forcing them out? They need to be removed, and the Bundys need to be held accountable for everything they have ever done. These militants are clearly getting preferential treatment. It sickens me.

[TrollBuster9090]

116. *Facepalm* Oh SNAP! I -KNEW- there was probably a reason why you weren't supposed to

...let gangs of shitkickers occupy federal government buildings.

(Also, I'd be very interested in seeing their internet browsing history. I'm guessing that's going to be the next little embarrassing tidbit of information that'll be leaked. Broke Back Mountain slash fiction sites?)

[Warren DeMontague]

120. Wow, more crimes that they probably wont get charged with, because reasons.

Now quick, let's try to figure out a way to de-escalate this standoff, preferably by letting it continue and doing nothing... Except maybe allowing their friends to keep resupplying them with snacks.

[Ken Burch]

121. In a just world, they'd have to serve their sentences

in the Burns Paiute rez jail.

[Recursion]

125. That's going to hurt

This makes me very happy...

[Quantess]

129. K & R