Standoff A No Win For Obama/Dems & The Fed Govt Now The Reinforcements Present

[TheMastersNemesis]

Now that extremist militia have arrived at the sanctuary stand off site, resolution is more difficult than ever. It is a no win for Obama, the feds and even Democrats no matter what you do.

It now looks like they plan to stay permanently with the new reinforcements and there could be more militia coming in later as the weather gets better. It is THEIR Alamo and the federal government is the enemy and a threat to freedom. They could build up and reinforce the area and act they they are running the sanctuary. The compound could be built up as a permanent site by these militia as long as they have access it and can come an go as they please.

So if the authorities do anything to affect the situation by cutting off access, cutting all power or trying to extricate the militia it will be viewed as an attack. What transpires after that is anyone's guess. If shots are fired and hostilities ensue things could really escalate. No one knows whether or not other militias will come into the are to support.

The reason that the standoff appears to be a no win is that any action will be framed as an attack by a black president and feds on good WHITE christian believers who are patriots for freedom. I can see the MSM, Fox, GOPPERS, RW Christians becoming incensed that a satanist federal government is violating their rights and the Constitution.

And I believe this stand off is more than a coincidence coming in 2016. And the Democrats will be blamed for CAUSING this uprising. So if you vote for Democrat you are supporting terrorists, giving everyone's money and land to minorities and foreigners, and you are at war with religion.

THE PRICE FOR ENDING THIS STAND OFF IN THE END IS -- TO TURN OVER ALL FEDERAL LAND TO LOCAL AUTHORITIES AND STATES NO STRINGS ATTACHED. I am sure the Koch brothers support this action.

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. Is anything?

[thereismore]

2. Reaping the benefits of ignoring the first Bundy standoff and the second Bundy standoff.

It gets more difficult every time you let them get away with it.

[Xipe Totec]

3. I say let them concentrate even more before we lance that boil nt

[emulatorloo]

4. The reinforcements were sent home to Idaho. Will get you a link in a sec.

Bundy was scared of them and had his lawyer send them away.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/arrival_of_rifle-toting_patrio.html#incart_river_index

But Bundy and his corps of anti-government protesters didn't want their services.

Within minutes of their arrival, a man who said he was speaking on Bundy's behalf emerged from the occupied refuge headquarters and announced that the visitors had been asked to leave. Bundy didn't talk directly to reporters or appear at the daily morning briefing.

Todd MacFarlane, a Utah lawyer who said he was acting as a mediator for Bundy and the local community, told those gathered that Bundy was worried about the perception the group might create.

"We don't need that," MacFarlane told them. "We don't want it and we're asking you to leave."

Soon afterward, Curtiss and company piled into their 15 or so trucks and cars and left the refuge compound.

[TheMastersNemesis]

16. Good Thing To Hear. More Militia Would Only Make Situation More Tense.

Someone could get "trigger happy" and shoot or shoot at someone. Then the game would be on. And there is always the possibility that someone would go there to fire the first shot to agitate the situation. Right now it is just a standoff. Even though people are armed nothing has happened yet.

The fact that these militia showed up also tells us that we have some more aggressive militias out and about that might do something.

[countryjake]

17. Pacific Patriots are still down there, along with another bunch of 3%ers ...

the North American Coalition of Constitutional Militias, who also arrived yesterday, but were turned away from the refuge by Bundy and his crew. Burns and the surrounding area are now swarming with these bigoted gun nuts, they're just not at the site of the original takeover.

Oregon standoff tension mounts as so-called '3%' groups refuse to leave by Sam Levin ~ 10 Jan 2016

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/10/oregon-standoff-three-percenter-groups

The heavily armed rightwing groups who descended on rural Harney County in eastern Oregon on Saturday – to protect the peace, they said – made clear they had no intention of leaving, as the occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge entered its second week.

Observers, meanwhile, noted that many such groups were extremist entities with histories of promoting bigotry, racism and violence.

On Saturday, leaders of the militia group, which began its occupation a week previously, said the outside groups were unwelcome and unnecessary.

A day later, the new militias in town said they would stay until the occupation ended, raising further concerns about the potential for violence.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Why these fuckwits have been allowed to

freely come and go baffles me.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. Bank robbers holed up in the bank they robbed. Burglers holed up in the office they're burgling.

What to do?

Capture them by force, deception, or siege.

What not to do:

Don't allow them visitors.
Don't feed them.
Don't keep them cozy and warm.
Don't leave them alone.
Don't let fear of Right Wing clamor guide your actions.

[meow2u3]

15. I wish the authorities would treat those seditionist assholes

the same way city cops treat innocent minorities--with the same contempt and aggressiveness as they would a little black boy playing with a toy gun.

Instead, the local sheriff handles them with kid gloves, giving the impression that the local authorities approve of such subversive activities.

[countryjake]

7. "Wise Use" tactics...

The Ideological Roots of the Oregon Standoff

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/opinion/sunday/the-ideological-roots-of-the-oregon-standoff.html?_r=0

IT is tempting to dismiss the antigovernment gunmen who took control of an animal refuge in Oregon on Jan. 2 as fanatics working at the fringes of American politics. But if the methods used by the rancher Ammon Bundy to seize the federal property were radical, the ideological roots of the operation were somewhat more mainstream.

By storming the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and vowing to return it — by force of arms, if necessary — to the people of Harney County, Mr. Bundy and his men were echoing the teachings, if not the tactics, of the Wise Use movement: a conservative land-use doctrine that has been a part of the national discourse for nearly 30 years.

A successor to the Sagebrush Rebellion of the 1970s (itself a successor to the anti-national parks Boomers project of the early 1900s), Wise Use answers the question of who should own the West by granting moral primacy to natural resource companies and to logging and ranching families like the Bundys, some of which have worked the land since the pioneer expansion.

Though composed of many activists and scores of organizations, Wise Use found its voice in the late 1980s when a timber industry adviser named Ron Arnold published “The Wise Use Agenda.” The manifesto offered an expansive plan to gut environmental regulation, increase private ownership of public land and compel the federal government to open its holdings to mining, oil and logging companies and to the unrestricted use of off-road vehicles.

Mr. Arnold adopted the phrase “wise use” from Gifford Pinchot, the first head of the United States Forest Service (who said that “conservation is the wise use of resources”). In 1988 he held a conference, bringing together the likes of Exxon and the National Cattlemen’s Association, with the goal of seeding the West with grass-roots groups that could wrest control of federal land and give a local flavor to his Reaganite aims.

[DirkGently]

10. A good point not being discussed enough.

The big logical leap, both for the original Bundy standoff, is that government held land somehow belongs to someone else, ostensibly, "the people," but who those "people are" is kept vague. When pressed, they'll say it should go "back to" the local state government, but in most cases, the state never owned the land in the first place, and if it did, it certainly wouldn't give it to someone like the Bundy family.

The core idea seems to be that land held by the government for the benefit of the country as a whole is wrong somehow, and it should all be divvied up and given to private interests. No national parks, no wildlife refuges, nothing -- just private interests logging and mining and exploiting every square inch, until every resource is gone.

This is the fundamental myth being sold, and it goes right back to the "state's rights / federalism" song and dance. There must be no centralized governance of anything, be it civil rights or environmental regulations or land use.

What's hard to see is how these rancher yahoos think that kind of taking would benefit them. They certainly can't afford what any of these lands would be worth. Instead of arguing with BLM over grazing fees subsidized 10:1 by taxpayers, they'd be shut out in a heartbeat by some kabillion-dollar agri-corp.

[countryjake]

12. In ref to your last paragraph, when they began tearing down fences last week ...

my first thought was that they're just doing the dirty grunt work for some Mining, Logging, Oil or big-Ag corporation that is most likely poised to move in (with well-paid lawyers and GOP state's rights support) once the asshats move on.

[DirkGently]

13. Or they just think they can steal it for themselves.

In the long run, converted public lands will just end up with the usual monied interests.

Short term, there is a strain of logic that if you're far enough out in the back country and have a gun, you can just take things.

THAT attitude has a long American history as well, from "Manifest Destiny" onwards. I've seen plenty of local land disputes where your farmer / rancher types pull down fences, move boundaries, etc., with a "Come and stop me if you can harhar" attitude that works well enough on one isolated neighbor.

[countryjake]

14. Dirk, this right here is one of my main concerns, which may boil down to water...

and Climate Change, if you look at that specific area of Oregon.

What will happen if the Oregon militia gets its demands? by Kate Galbraith in San Francisco & Sarah Gilman in Portland ~ 8 January 2016

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/08/oregon-militia-standoff-demands-what-comes-next


Allowing cattle to graze across swaths of federal land in Oregon, as an armed band of militia is demanding, could have devastating consequences for the area’s delicate ecosystem, experts have warned.

Rare species such as the greater sage grouse that does a mating dance on federal land adjacent to the Malheur national wildlife refuge, occupied by the militia, have already been harmed by widespread cattle grazing on high-desert plains across the west.

The armed militia is occupying federal land in Oregon that contains swaths of marshland, an unusual feature amid the high desert of south-eastern Oregon.

It offers protection for waterfowl across its 188,000 acres, an area nearly half the size of the sprawling city of Los Angeles.

The militia, a ragtag group whose leader, Ammon Bundy, comes from a Nevada family with a history of defying federal land-use rules, has a hazy wishlist that includes the release of two Oregon men, imprisoned and convicted of arson. But one of their broadest demands is to transfer more federal land to private ownership in the area.

(bolding in this article is mine)

[libodem]

8. Fence them in

Make them stay in there. When it's not their idea they won't like it so much. They can use the employees social security numbers to steal some identies and have Amazon.com drone drop the snacks and socks.

Problem solved.

[L. Coyote]

9. Actually, it is a No Win for the people violatiung the law. Obama/Dems have nothing to do with it.

Of course this is pre-planned 2016 political theater. But, one side did not show up for the fight,
and the metrosexual, faux cowboy terrorists look more and more ridiculous every day.
Plus, they are terrorizing the good, conservative republican base in Oregon,
an action that will likely unseat Oregon's only Republican Congressman for allying with these people.

Your hyperbolic rant falls very flat.[center]

The #BundyBunch was spotted this morning, foraging for snacks.

[Scurrilous]

11. I think the reinforcements already decamped back to Big Foot country.

Oregon militia turns away another armed militia's help

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-armed-militia-turns-away-pacific-patriot-network-help/


They came. They posed. They skedaddled. Pacific Patriots Facebook page being updated with new pics as we speak.



Winner: Best Color Coordination

[JEB]

18. Since our government appears incapable

of handling the situation, perhaps we could call on our long time allies to send Mossad. I'm sure it would be over in a matter of minutes.