Oregon standoff tension mounts as so-called '3%' groups refuse to leave

[Eugene]

Source: The Guardian

Oregon standoff tension mounts as so-called '3%' groups refuse to leave

Sam Levin in Burns, Oregon
Sunday 10 January 2016 22.22 GMT

The heavily armed rightwing groups who descended on rural Harney County in eastern Oregon on Saturday – to protect the peace, they said – made clear they had no intention of leaving, as the occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge entered its second week.

Observers, meanwhile, noted that many such groups were extremist entities with histories of promoting bigotry, racism and violence.

On Saturday, leaders of the militia group, which began its occupation a week previously, said the outside groups were unwelcome and unnecessary.

A day later, the new militias in town said they would stay until the occupation ended, raising further concerns about the potential for violence.

The leaders of the outside groups insist that they aim to act as mediators between the occupiers of the federal buildings, law enforcement and local residents – and say they will provide protection and security for all. They say they do not endorse the armed takeover of the refuge, by occupation leader Ammon Bundy, and want to ensure it does not end with a deadly shootout.

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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/10/oregon-standoff-three-percenter-groups

[saltpoint]

1. The original militia group says the new

outside groups are "unwelcome and unnecessary."

The whole pathetic lot of these seditionist assholes is "unwelcome and unnecessary" at what they are doing and where they're choosing to do it.

[dhill926]

2. yep...

[enough]

4. Funny, that's exactly what the local residents said about the original militia group. (nt)

[saltpoint]

13. Winter hiking is one of the

best things people can do, if they have warm enough duds and some sturdy boots.

I'm guessing there were many local folks who liked being in those woods in winter. With the Bundys and their ilk occupying those buildings, that winter hiking connection is deferred.

The impulse of a handful of people to enjoy a winter hike seems much more important to me than whatever seditionist bullshit the "militia" is promoting.

[Egnever]

15. There aren't any local folks

Have you looked at this place on the map?

It is literally hundreds of miles from the nearest town.

[saltpoint]

18. Yep. It's isolated alright. Various

websites attest to visits by many to appreciate what's there.

[Old Codger]

20. The refuge

Is 31 miles from the town of Burns, Oregon.

[Egnever]

36. Fair enough

population 2k not exactly a metropolis. I highly doubt there is a significant number of them driving 31 miles to take a walk outside though considering they are surrounded by wilderness.

[Old Codger]

39. This time of year

It is cold, snowy and windy I seriously doubt many hikers maybe some snowshoer's

[csziggy]

41. There really aren't any woods either.

Just look at the satellite view on Google Maps and you just won't see a lot of trees in that area. There are a few right around the main buildings for the refuge and scattered trees in other areas but no woods.

[Munificence]

44. Local Folks?

There are only around 7000 people in the entire county. It's one of the largest counties in the U.S. 75% of the county is owned by the Federal Government. That 75% gives hikers 7500 square miles to hike on. This is not a "city park" when talking about size.

This is a pretty remote area. If you think local folks are lining up wanting to get in here to use the land then maybe you shouldn't. It would be pretty easy to drive oh maybe a mile or 30 and still be able to find a spot to pull off and go for a hike on Federal land.

Not saying it makes this standoff thing "right", but I'm sure there are hardly any "locals" that are pissed about not being able to access the land at the standoff location.

Oh, and this "county" is about the size of Hawaii. The land mass that is owned by the Federal Government (around 7500 sq miles) is about the size of New Jersey.

[underpants]

5. Stealing the spotlight from them

I think that's why this PPN group showed up anyway.

[saltpoint]

6. Agree, underpants. The new groups

said to themselves, "Hey, that original group at the bird sanctuary is hogging all the limelight. We're just as ignorant and cement-headed and anti-government as they are -- we should get in on the action!"

And off they went.

[underpants]

9. The funny part is that the Bundy boy called for support

Then he gets some and says "No, we don't want it"

[saltpoint]

12. Good observation on

bad circumstances. I definitely get the impression that the Bundy clan is not the most cerebral bunch out there.

[pinboy3niner]

16. And now he faces the risk that the other groups could do something that will blow up in his face

He has no control over them; they're loose canons. Ammon just may want to declare victory and go home.

[malaise]

21. Give them free alcohol

and let them shoot it out among themselves.

[underpants]

22. Yep. They had little control over themselves

Now they have some Billy Badasses around

You probably posted this (you've been all over this story) or seen it but this is an inside look. Massive paranoia going on.

Pizza, rifles and tension: a night inside the Oregon Protest - Reuters

[pinboy3niner]

23. Thanks, I did see that

That also was the first mention of them trying to locate Brian 'Booda' Cavalier after he'd been gone from the compound for several hours. It was just after the Daily Mail confronted him about lying about having served as a combat Marine in Iraq and Afghanistan. I wondered if he split for good before the Daily Mail story came out. Sure enough, Raw Story had just put up a story confirming that. Booda, aka 'Fluffy Unicorn,' rabbited before his buddies found out he was a phony vet. And he was their head of security and personal bodyguard to Ammon!

About that paranoia...Raw Story's report noted: "Some of the militants also suspect Cavalier might be working as a federal informant."

[underpants]

24. They are suspicious of the filing cabinets too

and anything in "Carp lady"'s office.

[myrna minx]

43. It's like the children's song of "I know an old woman who swallowed a fly..."

Each silly subsequent "militia" group of whiney "patriots" are going to hitch up their pants higher to out do their stupid predecessors on this bird sanctuary.

Since they can come and go unmolested and without any ramifications, this will be the "Burning Man" of dumb ass whiney "survival" grifters - each "survivalist" bringing their long guns and "long winter siege provisions" like a 6 pack of ramen noodles. "Did anyone bring a pot to boil these noodles in?"

Thank god there's the tax payer funded potable water and there's the tax payer funded energy to power this free stove and heat their occupied buildings, but screw the government. FREEDOM!

Oh my stars - to go an afternoon without french vanilla creamers- the FEDS are OUT of CONTROL!11!

[underpants]

45. Burning Man of dumb ass

That's the second new one I'm going to use. The other, read here last night, "Alamo fantasy camp".

[Quixote1818]

7. Yep, in the linked video they say the town of Burns is too "Afraid" to stand up to the Gov.

Yep, that is really going to win them friends in town. Then when someone from the town tells them to fuck off in the comment section they intimidate him like a Nazi would:

[saltpoint]

11. They seem to have a knack for

intimidation. They're couched on property which does not belong to them.

"We're patriots who hate the government. Jesus told Ammon to come here and mount an armed insurrection of a bird sanctuary. We forgot socks. Also send snacks. Thanks."

[Quixote1818]

3. They want snacks too! Why should just Bundy's group get snacks? nt

[saltpoint]

8. LOL! eom

[uppityperson]

10. "Heavily armed groups say they want to stop violence breaking out"

“Their role is to keep the peace between the two sides. Obviously, I don’t want to get slaughtered by the feds.”

sigh

[hlthe2b]

14. Just don't let the horses get hurt...

seriously.... I don't pine for anything other than "all hands in the air" and peaceful surrender, but if anyone is going to get hurt, let it be he "militia" perpetrators of this whole disaster.

[Gregorian]

17. Protecting the peace with a gun. The whole notion is absurd.

Meanwhile, I haven't heard one person ask how the birds feel about all of this.

[saltpoint]

19. In another post on the insurrection

I hinted that the birds should "author" a letter to the nearest local paper, demanding that "These seditionist assholes be removed from our wilderness home post haste."

[Gregorian]

28. The birds are going to need guns too.

So you thought of the birds too.

Actually, to bring peace, one would probably come unarmed, since the intention to be violent would not be part of the plan.

[saltpoint]

37. Agree. A suggestion might be made

to these armed angry yahoos that if they want to be more highly regarded as citizens than they currently are, they might return to their homes, be loyal friends to their friends and loving member of their family and extended family.

Instead they're threatening federal law enforcement officials and asking for people to send them snacks.

James Madison would puke.

[Skittles]

25. it is gun humper logic

weapons help with their sense of paranoia so they assume (because they are dumb as fuck) that this will work for everyone

[Rex]

27. I am enjoying the shit out of watching gun humpers lose their shit over Obama's EO.

It is as if they want to go join the crazies in OR...dumb as fuck indeed! THey will probably all end up killing each other.

[Skittles]

30. they're pathetic

seriously, I wonder if they bathe with their guns, the way they cling to them

[Rex]

31. Well growing up we all thought Linus was extremely insecure about his binky.

These ammosexuals make Linus look like a stable rock of society! I bet they end up killing each other...there is too much concentrated STUPID in the area now.

[Tipperary]

40. Oh ick. I just got an image that I just do not want!

[L. Coyote]

29. We have special sentencing laws for them:

[Gregorian]

32. That was a dynamic post. It changed between when I saw it, and replied.

What I was going to say about the pot belly posse was that in their defense they looked very well organized. Not.

After seeing the book on Amazon that Mr. Tent guy wrote, it appears some in this group have a doomsday vision or something. I haven't had time to look into it. I think they're still there because if, for example, you were to put police uniforms on any of those guys, it would look totally natural. Wink wink.

It would be nice to graduate from aggressive behavior.

[L. Coyote]

33. Pasted the wrong graphic URL. Must have seemed out of syn with the OP. Here you go:

[center]

[Rex]

26. So when the nth group of violent white radicals shows up, will that be enough?

I bet they end up shooting each other...that kind of moronic incompetence all crammed in one place has to have some kind of impact.

[L. Coyote]

34. I'm waiting for when they need to call an ambulance or the police!

This is why the phone lines are still there, you can't endanger them by isolation because the unforeseen consequence would be that they might suffer harm because they couldn't call the police! The irony is like lead on this one, eh!

[Rex]

35. Ha! So true!

Wouldn't that be something to watch on national news as a community service like an ambulance has to wheel someone out from there! I bet they LOVE socialized medicine then!

[csziggy]

42. I was wondering if it could turn out like the Texas biker shootout

Various groups getting pissed at each other and pulling out their guns ending in a free for all. On one level it would be awesome but in reality it would be terrifying and tragic.

[JEB]

38. Since our government appears incapable

of handling this situation, perhaps we could ask our long time allies to send Mossad.