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Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:49 PM

 

Cornel West

This guy schtick is one of the most ineffective communicators I have ever heard. His method of communicating is pathetic.

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Reply Cornel West (Original post)
wilt the stilt Jan 2016 OP
Coventina Jan 2016 #1
Autumn Jan 2016 #3
Coventina Jan 2016 #6
Autumn Jan 2016 #7
Coventina Jan 2016 #9
Autumn Jan 2016 #10
Coventina Jan 2016 #13
840high Jan 2016 #20
FrodosPet Jan 2016 #23
DirtyHippyBastard Jan 2016 #30
FrodosPet Jan 2016 #38
pansypoo53219 Jan 2016 #44
beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #25
ZombieHorde Jan 2016 #27
beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #33
ZombieHorde Jan 2016 #34
beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #36
ZombieHorde Jan 2016 #40
beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #41
ZombieHorde Jan 2016 #43
beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #45
ZombieHorde Jan 2016 #47
beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #51
ZombieHorde Jan 2016 #66
beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #67
ZombieHorde Jan 2016 #69
Solly Mack Jan 2016 #37
beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #46
Solly Mack Jan 2016 #70
juxtaposed Jan 2016 #2
Autumn Jan 2016 #4
H2O Man Jan 2016 #5
wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #8
Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #52
wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #54
EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2016 #60
DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #61
H2O Man Jan 2016 #63
wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #64
haikugal Jan 2016 #11
Autumn Jan 2016 #12
Coventina Jan 2016 #14
Autumn Jan 2016 #15
Coventina Jan 2016 #16
Autumn Jan 2016 #17
DirtyHippyBastard Jan 2016 #32
Kalidurga Jan 2016 #48
Autumn Jan 2016 #57
a la izquierda Jan 2016 #49
MurrayDelph Jan 2016 #18
JEB Jan 2016 #19
hibbing Jan 2016 #21
Paulie Jan 2016 #22
FrodosPet Jan 2016 #24
beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #26
ZombieHorde Jan 2016 #28
beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #29
ZombieHorde Jan 2016 #31
beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #35
Curmudgeoness Jan 2016 #65
ZombieHorde Jan 2016 #68
Curmudgeoness Jan 2016 #71
Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #72
FrodosPet Jan 2016 #39
ZombieHorde Jan 2016 #42
Autumn Jan 2016 #62
underpants Jan 2016 #50
RedCappedBandit Jan 2016 #53
wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #55
Empowerer Jan 2016 #56
truebrit71 Jan 2016 #58
EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2016 #59

Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:50 PM

1. I like turtles.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:55 PM

3. I like turtles also.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:03 AM

6. They're so mellow and laid-back.

And it's really cool how they carry everything they need with them!

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Response to Coventina (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:08 AM

7. They are awesome critters and they also have the best

candy in the world named after them. They seem to have this wonderful focus in life. I love watching them walk

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Response to Autumn (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:10 AM

9. I know what you mean! I used to turtle-sit for a friend and they would fascinate me.

They really seem to have a great attitude toward life.
Plums and bananas would make them so happy! You could tell by the way they'd "hurry" over and thoughtfully chew them up!

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Response to Coventina (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:22 AM

10. I went to a pet store to get some nectar for my Granddaughters sugar glider and there was

a turtle, rather large just roaming all over the store. I was amazed at how fast he moved.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:25 AM

13. Yes, they can move surprisingly fast sometimes.

I was lucky enough to see a desert tortoise while out hiking last spring, and s/he was moving along at a pretty good clip!

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Response to Coventina (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:38 AM

20. turtles like strawberries

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 04:05 AM

23. As does any advanced creature

Time for a PB&J with strawberry jam.

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:51 AM

30. Here is a pic of my strawberries



They were really good. Finished the last jar of jam this week.

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Response to DirtyHippyBastard (Reply #30)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:03 AM

38. Sweet!

That does it. This year, I am growing strawberries.

And maybe getting a turtle.

But I will keep it away from my strawberry plants.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:17 AM

44. my cousin & i caught a rather large snapping turtle on the lakes road when we were kids.

carried it to the cottage. HEY! we found a big turtle, we were inside maybe a minute. it had disappeared in that minute.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:22 AM

25. I love turtles, they make me happy.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:43 AM

27. That is not a turtle.

That is a tortoise.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #27)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:54 AM

33. Raaaarrr!


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #33)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:56 AM

34. Fucking awesome.

I think that's a turtle. It's feet look turtle-like to me.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #34)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:02 AM

36. It is, it's an Alligator Snapping Turtle, watch those fingers!




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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #36)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:11 AM

40. I love those pics.

Are they forest creatures? The pictures look like they were taken in a forest.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #40)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:13 AM

41. No they live in rivers, lakes and swamps.

I encountered a huge one that was feeding on a deer carcass when I was kayaking, they look like dinosaurs.

They hiss like demons too.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #41)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:15 AM

43. So cool!

Where did you encounter one? Which country/state?

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #43)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:20 AM

45. Tennessee, Reelfoot Lake.

I also had to convince a very determined Water Moccasin that he was not welcome in my kayak, he tried to climb in three times.

Much more friendly than the turtle but ultimately not someone you want sharing the ride.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #45)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:25 AM

47. Seems like a fun memory.

What a crazy looking animal.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #47)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:27 AM

51. I've also encountered a Hellbender.

I was paddling along a quiet creek somewhere else in Tennessee and noticed what I thought was a Gila Monster. I didn't know what it was until I got home and looked it up. Here's a picture of one:

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #51)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 03:04 PM

66. That's cool too.

Take me to the wilderness with you next you go.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #66)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 03:08 PM

67. I will!

Another fun fact: Snapping Turtles use that worm-like appendage in their mouth to lure prey. They hold their mouth open under water and wait for some unsuspecting fish to check it out.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #67)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 03:14 PM

69. I use a similar method to lure people in.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:03 AM

37. I collect turtles. Not live ones, of course.

I love them!

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #37)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:24 AM

46. mmmmmm, chocolate turtles...

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #46)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 04:05 PM

70. Tasty! We've got turtles from all over the world, made from all kinds of stuff.

I think we are up to 100 turtles.

I get house guests to make turtles to leave behind. We have a craft day, they make turtles, I add them to the collection.

Surprising how much fun adults can have making turtles. They giggle, curse, take a few pain pills....and we get rather interesting turtles.






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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:54 PM

2. i've felt for years he is one of the best!

 

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Response to juxtaposed (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:56 PM

4. Do you like turtles? Turtles are cool.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:57 PM

5. Respectfully disagree.

I think he is outstanding. And he communicates with a significant audience just fine.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:09 AM

8. The art of communicating

 

is to have people who don't agree with you to listen and consider your ideas. Think of a litigator trying to convince a jury to see his side in a case. I speak to top litigators all the time and the way they use language is very good and very persuasive. West only communicates with people who agree with him.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:16 AM

52. A litigator's language is similar to that of any sales closer, the objective is to guide and even

 

control the thought process of the jury, the objective is very much not to encourage the jury to think for themselves but to encourage them to think as you want them to think. A closer in sales or law or any other context discourages consideration of fact counter to the desired conclusion.
A person like West is encouraging people to think for themselves, and like other teachers and artists and unlike salespeople or litigators people who seek to encourage thought in their listeners do not seek to persuade to conclusions but to motivate the use of reason as a habitual approach to information being presented.
Those who seek to force agreement with their point of view have an entirely different objective from those who seek to prompt you to think about your own point of view more completely.

Offering the language of a litigator as example of how a teacher should speak is just a big mistake. To my way of thinking it is a profoundly large mistake.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #52)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:03 AM

54. by using his diction and slang

 

he turns off of 70% of the populous. If he really wants to seek to influence people then he figures out the best way to get to the most people. His schtick is old and tiresome and 70% of the people are turned off by his appearance and his way of communicating. that is why he is a bad communicator.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Reply #54)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:46 AM

60. Ah, you don't like his black accent, then?

I think I see where you're going with this.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:25 AM

61. The art of communicating also involves posting threads that don't spin off to turtle distractions.

 

So yeah, tell me more about your effective communication while you continue to tell me which black people are ok for me to like.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:46 AM

63. Context is everything.

As he was on Bill Maher's show on HBO last night, I'm confident that is what we are speaking about. That is a distinct context from, say, if he were speaking to a university audience, which includes the "three groups" (those who support you, those who oppose you, and the undecided). Being rather familiar with his style of presentation in that context, I can say that he does focus on the undecided.

On Maher's show, the audience has already decided. It was obvious from their responses that they have already identified which candidate they support. Hence, he focused on energizing them. And he did a mighty fine job of doing just that.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #63)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:38 PM

64. He talks like that all the time

 

If one is to be successful it is to get people to be on your side. That is exactly what a litigator,salesperson or very successful people typically do. Not always but for the most part they do.

He only communicates to people who like him and in my opinion that is why he is a poor communicator. He is just not taken seriously by the majority of the people and it is because of his presentation.

I work with litigators all the time and some of the most famous ones. I will be visiting Bob McConnell's attorney soon. I've hung out with him.

The one common trait with them is they like to convince people. It is fascinating working with them By and large they are very funny and pretty gracious. Their art of communicating is something to admire.
I call them out of the blue and one of my best cold calls was getting an appointment with one of the most famous litigators in the country.One of his most famous cases was a long article in Rolling Stone. It is a very famous case. i was only the second meeting he ever took.

He didn't know me from Adam yet something i said hooked him. i do this routinely and have met many of the chairs of certain practices in the largest law firms in the country.
I just watch this guy and I shake my head.

I detest Reagan but one thing i know he communicated very well.
One example of his pathetic communications. When he called Obama a ni****d president did that win over anyone. I say no.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:22 AM

11. Pie, I want pie.

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Response to haikugal (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:24 AM

12. I imagine turtles would like pie.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:26 AM

14. Judging by the turtles I've known, they'd especially like banana cream pie!

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Response to Coventina (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:30 AM

15. If I had a turtle I would bake it a pie, a banana cream pie.

I think that they would be great pets.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:32 AM

16. I haven't had one myself, but several different friends of mine do, and they all love them!!

They are pretty low-maintenance, once you have the proper enclosure for them.

And, they are just nice to hang with, you know?
Very Zen......

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Response to Coventina (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:41 AM

17. I bet they would be great to have. Just roaming around in a garden.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:53 AM

32. If I was a turtle

I would want strawberry pie.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:58 AM

48. Well I was thinking my next pet was going to be a parakeet

but, now I am thinking I might want a turtle or a parakeet and a turtle. I saw a really pretty turquoise parakeet in the pet store.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #48)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:16 AM

57. I have birds, little diamond doves I like them but they make a mess with

their seed all over the place.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:09 AM

49. I had one as a kid.

He was greats, until he ran away...or so my parents told me.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:44 AM

18. Mostly, I find his

"Brother <fill-in-the-name>" schtick to be condescending and annoying.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:05 AM

19. Turtles do like pie.

 

That shell schtick they do works every time. I want pie.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:55 AM

21. Not a fan n/t

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 02:49 AM

22. Sea Turtles are pretty kick ass too

They eat jelly fish!

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Response to Paulie (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 04:09 AM

24. Do they dance with them first?

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:39 AM

26. If you think that shtick is pathetic this turtle thinks he's a shark:


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:44 AM

28. That is not a turtle.

That is a tortoise.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:47 AM

29. Wiki disagrees:

Turtles are reptiles of the order Testudines (or Chelonii[3]) characterised by a special bony or cartilaginous shell developed from their ribs and acting as a shield.[4] "Turtle" may refer to the order as a whole (American English) or to fresh-water and sea-dwelling testudines (British English).[5]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle


And ixnay on the ortoiseay alktay, don't ruin it for him.

He's a shark.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:51 AM

31. Look at the feet of the "sharks" in the wiki pictures,

and then look at the feet of the "shark" in the posted picture. I believe turtles spend most of their time in the water while tortoises spend most of their time on land.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #31)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:59 AM

35. If you insist then I like tortoises too. And terrapins.



Seriously you're correct but the baby tortoise pics are adorable.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #31)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 02:54 PM

65. As someone who has headstarted several Eastern Box Turtles,

I have to disagree. If you put a boxie in the water, it will drown. They live in forests. And they are turtles.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #65)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 03:13 PM

68. I am reading up on box turtles, because for some reason,

I really feel compelled to know this turtle/tortoise thing. I guess there is a third group too, but I don't know anything about them.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #68)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 04:15 PM

71. I got a little more curious myself.

I checked to see how I would know a tortoise when I saw one, and it seems that it is in the feet. Water turtles have webbed feet. Terrestrial turtles do not but have claws. Tortoises have elephantine feet.

Or at least that is what it appears to be. I am not that well versed in all terrapins, but I do know box turtles. And I try to educate people that they are not great water turtles. They might play in puddles to find worms, but if someone finds one and puts it in a pond thinking that is helping them, they will not be able to swim.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #65)

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:00 AM

72. I tried to box a turtle but I got shellacked!

 

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:11 AM

39. Is he not turtley enough?

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #39)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:14 AM

42. That was goofy.

I loved the nose biting bit. I haven't seen that movie.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:40 AM

62. Damn it. I have got to get me one of those. And a fricking laser for it's head

Summer would be no problem but what would I do with it in the winter? You know what this county needs? A Rent-A-Turtle.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:12 AM

50. TURTLE PIE!!!

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:28 AM

53. The people whom he inspires don't really care what your meaningless thoughts are. nt

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #53)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:05 AM

55. It is a very small group of people in the long run

 

I would think you would like to influence the most people you can.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:09 AM

56. Cornel West makes some liberal white folks feel really good about themselves

All down with the people and everything . . .

But he's a joke and/or irrelevant in most of the black community.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #56)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:27 AM

58. I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with turtles?

 

I think you're missing the point....

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:44 AM

59. I think it's ironic that you're complaining about his communication

When your post is a mess of grammatical mistakes with an unclear message. Pot meet kettle...

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