I just contacted my Oregon federal representatives

[CanonRay]

Ron Wyden, Jeff Merkley, and Pete DeFazio and told them get the FBI and other law enforcement officers to get up off their collective asses and get these armed idiots out of the Malheur NWR. I've had it. They commit daily felonies, come and go as they please, get others to join in, get food, and still have lights and power. Sorry, this is bullshit.

We need to cut access, cut off water, cut power, and generally starve the jerks out.

Meanwhile a peaceful protester in New York gets six months in jail.

Are we a country of laws, or not?

End of Rant. Thank you for your patience.

[Mnemosyne]

1. Please let us know if there is any response. nt

[CanonRay]

7. I will post it. They are usually pretty good about that

but sometimes it takes a while.

[Mnemosyne]

32. Cool, thanks! nt

[Person 2713]

2. Thank you for doing this. Last I heard they were trying to pave a road in the NWR

Even if info I heard this is not correct, they need to be removed. We know they are not leaving at this point.

[jmowreader]

11. It's a dirt road, not a paved one

It's also been completed.

[Bluenorthwest]

3. DeFazio, serveral days ago:

"I believe that this illegal occupation, this destruction of federal property was directly emboldened by the fact that their father of the two leaders, Cliven Bundy, stood down the government two years ago when he owed a million dollars — other ranchers paid their grazing fees, he refuses to do it. And he was grazing in areas that were prohibited .And he stood down the government at the point of a gun, and he’s still grazing and nobody, nobody at the Justice Department has seen fit to raise a finger against him.”

“He celebrated the anniversary of the takeover and said ‘this is how it’s done.’ And now his sons are replicating that in my state of Oregon, where we abide by the laws. Yeah, we disagree over a lot of federal policies, but we abide by the laws.”

“It’s time for the Justice Department to take some action. Wake up down there!”
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/watch-oregon-lawmaker-opens-can-of-whoop-ass-on-feds-for-ignoring-ultra-rightwing-extremist-bundys/

Video at the link.

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. A raging blizzard would be nice, too.

[MerryBlooms]

5. I'm going with, 'selective enforcement'.

I join you in your frustration in this case, and sooo many others.

[mnhtnbb]

6. Good for you!

I am really pissed at the selective enforcement of law for these white males.

Fu*k these a$$holes!

[Omaha Steve]

8. Good job

K&R!

OS

[hopemountain]

9. yesterday i left phone messages

for all three of them. jeff merkeley responded today. his response was (form letter) similar to his posting on fb a few days ago - assuring he is keeping a close watch on the situation. i take this to mean he is letting persons of influence know his constituency are very concerned. he thanked me for my concern.

defazio sent a letter last week appraising his constituency of his attention and concern regarding the occupation.

have not heard from wyden. he represents the next county over.

next, the governor - not that she seems to be able to do much of anything regarding a federal issue, although, i would think the citizens in burns would be of concern to her.

[zentrum]

10. I've read that they even

…have access to old artifacts. Historical documents. Ancient First Nation pottery etc. Outrageous.

Thank you for your call.

[niyad]

23. don't forget using atv's and destroying some sites.

[zentrum]

31. That's really disturbing

…on every level. The collusive silence from the Feds and local police is deafening.

[niyad]

33. and frustrating and mind-blowing.

[zentrum]

34. And shows the white privilege of the criminals.

[niyad]

36. especially white zealots with guns.

[UTUSN]

12. R#37 & K for, thank you for making those contacts. n/t

[CanonRay]

14. Wow. What a snotty post.

but ok. I retired with 23 years in Federal law enforcement. Is that good enough for you? It offends me because these lands belong to all of us. They are fundamental to who we are. As liberals. we believe that government has a role to play in our lives, and one of these roles is being a steward of our environment, including protecting sensitive areas such as this. And yes, my sensibilities regarding law and order have been offended. I sincerely tried to be fair during my career, and I have always been offended by injustice, more so now than ever, and more so because I had first hand experience seeing injustice in the system. Good enough for you? Now, go ahead and alert.

[awoke_in_2003]

16. So they can totally

destroy it before giving up?

[Beaverhausen]

18. Why not at least cut off their ability to come and go at will?

[niyad]

24. so, you are okay with them brazenly saying "screw you" to everyone, destroying public property,

destroying indigenous artifacts, and acting like masters of the universe? how far does our "patience" have to extend? we aren't starving them out, we aren't cutting off access, they are free to come and go, and ride roughshod over everyone. is this all okay with you, because "patience will win out"?? patience got us exactly nowhere with the father of the thugs in charge, as you may remember. patience got us this rerun.

[underahedgerow]

35. So what? It's stuff. Material things. Wood, grass, dirt, glass, screws, just a pile of stuff. Things

of perceived value. Is that worth more than human life? You seriously want law enforcement officials to risk their lives and spend millions of your tax dollars amid bloodshed and violence over a parcel of land and a pile of stuff?

That makes no sense.

Yeah it's ok with me for these yahoos to make themselves out to be total asses. They have no significant support by anyone of relevence. They're becoming more of a joke every single day as the criminal charges rack up higher and higher. Sadly it will cost many millions to prosecute and incarcerate them. That's the only thing that pisses me off. I'm genuinely hoping that they just shoot each other and save us all the trouble. Give them enough time and they will do that, and I'm ok with that.

Violence isn't the answer and will only cause more problems. Revenge fantasies are silly.

[niyad]

37. they are destroying artifacts of historical significance, for one thing, not just "stuff". quite

frankly, your cavalier attitude is disturbing.

[underahedgerow]

40. The Oregon twits have stated that they have no interest in the artifacts,

although their ignorance and disregard for the historical significance is troubling but not surprising in their willful denial of the rule of law.

What strikes me most ironic though, is that they claim "We also recognize that the Native Americans had the claim to the land, but they lost that claim," clearly oblivious to the fact that he and his band of hoodlums lost their claim to the land too and a lot more recently.

The prosecution of these thugs under the various protections acts will only further bankrupt and add more jail time to the long, long sentences these guys are racking up. While it won't undo the damage, it continues to build the cases against them.

Seems to me it would be a marvelous thing to ultimately return the lands to the control of the various Native Americans factions, which would further stymie any additional actions by these land resource thieves.

I would love to see more active statements coming from the various Native American factions and it's a shame they aren't using this scenario to draw attention to their historical preservation issues, for benefit of course. But then, Americans aren't real big on cultural and historical preservation I guess.

[niyad]

43. actually, the burns paiute nation and others have indeed spoken about these issues. they just

are not being covered by the msm.

curious about your use of "native american factions" rather than nations.

[Vinca]

20. Unfortunately, these "amateurs" are like cockroaches. New ones keep appearing.

Unless access is barred to this site, the hissy fit will go on forever. Enough is enough. You don't have to create another Waco, but you can make life miserable so they will start coming out. If this had been the Black Panthers the funerals would already be over. (As for my credentials, I was a cop.)

[Turn CO Blue]

19. I imagine cutting power would result in burst pipes & sprinklers, massive damage to buildings.

It's probably way too cold there to cut off water and power - all the pipes would burst unless we can be sure all the water has been blown out of the pipes first or left to drip (impossible).

[niyad]

25. yes, that is exactly why the power has not been cut off, as the officials pointed out several

days into this armed insanity.

[Erose999]

27. I'm sure once the water is cut the Bundyites will make sure the reamining water in the pipes is

drained out. Even if the pipes do freeze, the cost of replacing the water lines in minimal compared to the cost of letting the occupation continue. It's costing the county tens of thousands of dollars per day. In addition to the pile of money the feds have spent in relocating the employees of the refuge, and paying those salaried employees who can't work because of the occupation.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

21. Legislators can't give orders to executive agencies.

[CanonRay]

22. Obviously. My OP did not say anything about them ordering anyting

but they can make noise and apply pressure. I want them to do whatever they can do.

[bluedigger]

38. They can hold officials accountable after the fact.

There will be an investigation into this, and the FBI will have to explain their response for the record. Elected officials have pretty good memories when it comes to settling scores.

[Erose999]

26. Cordon off the area, cut the utilities, and play the brown note at 150db until the Bundy Buttwarts

fuckin' beg to go to jail.

I also wouldn't shed any tears if napalm were involved in getting rid of these idiots.

[cwydro]

28. Napalm???

Glad you're not in charge.

[Erose999]

29. They've taken up arms against the United states government and invaded it's soverign territory. They

are really no different than a foreign army or terrorists like Isis or Al Qaeda. The only think keeping them from being residents of a smoking crater is the fact that they're WHITE REPUBLICANS.

If a group of, say, climate activists, native Americans, an Occupy or BLM type of group had gone in there it would have been tear gas and swat teams the first day.

[cwydro]

30. These asshats need to go.

But napalm is not something I want used in this country...or any country.

Perhaps you were just using a bit of hyperbole; I understand because I'm sick of these fools too.

[niyad]

39. you do understand that this is a WILDLIFE REFUGE??? what do you think that brown note

at whatever decibels is going to do to the actual inhabitants of this refuge.

and that goes for the napalm as well.

[KentuckyWoman]

41. Thanks for posting -- for 2 reasons

#1 Because good bad or indifferent our politicos need to know where their constituents stand.

#2 Because you were bullied in this thread and kept your cool..... earned my respect (twice)

[CanonRay]

42. Thank you very much.

I had to wait a bit before I replied in a few cases...