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dsc

(52,147 posts)
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:25 PM Jan 2016

The Tamir Rice grand jury didn't vote

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2016/01/20/the-grand-jury-in-the-tamir-rice-case-did-not-take-a-vote-on-charges

The grand jury that opted not to indict Cleveland police officers Timothy Loehmann and Frank Garmback in the shooting death of Tamir Rice never actually took a vote on the matter, according to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's Office.

What actually happened in the most significant grand jury hearing in county history isn't quite clear, and the mechanism by which the grand jury "declined to indict" — in Prosecutor Timothy McGinty's own words — is equally unclear.

At the conclusion of a typical grand jury hearing, there are two possible outcomes achieved via vote: a "true bill," which results in criminal charges and a case number in the court system, or a "no bill," which is a decision not to bring charges. A "no-bill notification" is signed and stamped and kept on record at the county clerk's office.

Though Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Timothy McGinty never explicitly said the grand jury voted not to indict — nor did he utter the phrase "no bill" — in his Dec. 28 press conference, he declared that that grand jury had declined to indict.

How, then, if not by voting?

After learning and confirming on Jan. 15 that there was no "no-bill notification" on file at the county clerk's office for the Tamir Rice grand jury proceedings, Scene formally requested the document officially showing the decision, however it was reached, and wherever said document might be. We were told that it didn't exist. Employees at both the clerk's and prosecutor's officers were unable to explain the lack of paperwork.


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Much more at link.

Simply amazing.
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The Tamir Rice grand jury didn't vote (Original Post) dsc Jan 2016 OP
da fuck? tat's unbelievable nt tishaLA Jan 2016 #1
amazing dsc Jan 2016 #2
Without the no-bill vote, there effectively wasn't a grand jury localroger Jan 2016 #3
This shit has to end in this country. Stinky The Clown Jan 2016 #4

localroger

(3,620 posts)
3. Without the no-bill vote, there effectively wasn't a grand jury
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jan 2016

The GJ didn't "not indict," the GJ didn't come to any conclusion at all. As such, as with a hung jury, the coast remains clear to empanel another grand jury. The prosecutor probably sensed the vote might not go the way he wanted and was probably hoping nobody would notice, but that no-bill notice has to be filed or there's no record the GJ ever even met as far as the case is concerned.

Stinky The Clown

(67,757 posts)
4. This shit has to end in this country.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jan 2016

Sadly, such shit has been going on for centuries. Nothing new here. The imperfections of an imperfect system. Right now it is the cop establishment (cops, prosecutors, judges, wardens, parole boards, etc.) that needs to be reformed.

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