Against Trump

[bemildred]

A YUGE number of conservatives just shredded Donald Trump in the National Review

Donald Trump must be stopped: That's the theme binding an avalanche of essays by conservative thought leaders — 22 in all — that the National Review sent thundering down the political mountain onto GOP voters late Thursday, along with an editorial by the magazine's editors.

With a massive winter storm expected along the East Coast this weekend, perhaps some of the 35 percent of Republicans who support the real estate mogul-reality TV star will be buried in actual snow, with nothing better to do than read all 9,000 words and change their minds.

Or perhaps they will dismiss "Against Trump" — the title of this special collection by one of the nation's preeminent conservative publications — as just another chorus of naysaying from the loathsome, out-of-touch "establishment." (The National Review did just get dropped as a debate sponsor by the Republican National Committee, however, which might help the magazine appear less establishment-y.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/22/a-yuge-number-of-conservatives-just-shredded-donald-trump-in-the-national-review/

[pampango]

1. "Trump must be stopped ... an avalanche of essays by conservative thought leaders — 22 in all ..."

Thanks for posting this, bemildred.

[bemildred]

2. Clearly, the time has come for desperate measures.

The very notion of "conservative thought leaders" is revolutionary. Radicals!!!!

[alfredo]

43. Did you know that Buckley would take his sailboat beyond territorial waters to smoke pot?

He's a Liberal by the Teahadist standards. I always thought him rather creepy.

[bemildred]

44. I knew he was a doper.

I think he is one of the more repellent human beings on the planet, so I haven't really studied on him.

[alfredo]

46. His face reminds me of Jaba the Hutt.

[Odin2005]

56. Buckley was an elitist who thought the rules only applied to us peons.

[alfredo]

58. He was right.

[PNW_Dem]

69. conservative thoughtless

Sorry, I couldn’t read any further when I saw “conservative thought leaders” because I started to laugh myself sick…

[hifiguy]

61. Like "jumbo shrimp," "military intelligence" or

"Justice Scalia," it is a massive oxymoron.

[uhnope]

25. get the GOP back to the party of Eisenhower

and it might save the two-party system (if it should be saved)

[JHB]

31. But that's inconceivable for this bunch...

Buckley and those around him considered Eisenhower a traitor to their "principles" for accepting the basic framework of the New Deal. Redefining conservativism in their own vision, wresting it away from Eisenhower and purging the Rockefeller Republicans was their entire reason for being.

[hifiguy]

62. Indeed it was.

Buckley was a snide, elitist, aristocracy-worshiping asshole with a patina of Yalie polish that was a millimeter deep. He was not dumb, though.

[daleanime]

51. I just amazed that they could find 22 republicans....

"Thinkers". The probably the entire brain pool for them.

[Odin2005]

55. "conservative thought leaders" An oxymoron if I ever saw one.

[Jim__]

3. Do any of Trump's supporters read National Review?

I doubt that many of them do.

[lapfog_1]

8. well,

first they would have to read... so... yeah.

[valerief]

9. Read it? They've never even heard of it!

[nxylas]

13. Judging by their comments thread, yeah

Actually, NR has long been the go-to publication for the Trump base. They booted out John Derbyshire when he started openly describing himself as a white supremacist,instead of wrapping it up in the usual dog whistles, but it's still the magazine of choice for birthers and climate change deniers looking to confer some spurious intellectual respectability on their ravings.

[alfredo]

45. They just look at the pictures.

[SummerSnow]

67. They're busy listening to Faux nooz to read anything else

[world wide wally]

4. As thoughtful and as urgent as they try make this sound, it is obviously just another

attempt to exploit a market to make money.
If it were serious and sincere, it would be called "Against Republicans"

[edhopper]

5. The Gods Themselves

contend in vain.

[hfojvt]

49. damn

the same joke I told, 3 hours later.

Or is that GMTA?

[edhopper]

52. I can never keep track of the time stamp

on DU.

But great minds and all.

[Odin2005]

57. Odly enough the German conservative thinker Oswald Spenger coined a term that...

...perfectly describes the popularity of Trump: Caesarism. The end result when the inner soul of a society has died and simple power achieves victory over a "democracy" corrupted by money.

[hifiguy]

63. Mussolini called it "fascism"

"which should more accurately be called corporatism, because it represents the fusion of corporate and governmental power." Giovanni Gentile wrote it, but Il Duce took credit for it.

[librechik]

6. Trump should never have hinted around that he hates

various ethnic constituencies--and he and followers are not so fond of Jews, either. They worked harder than anyone to be accepted into the establishment. In fact they have been paramount importance to conservatism since the 70s. (as chronicled in The National Review, current publisher of PNAC and The Chicago School.) They're not going to let Trump spoil all that.

[kimbutgar]

7. National review has too many big words for the average trumpster supporter

If anything this will increase the support of trumpsters supporters.

[SansACause]

28. Trumpeter

nm

[hfojvt]

50. no, that is not cool

I play the trumpet.

[SansACause]

54. That's what Palin called them.

n,

[hifiguy]

64. Yeah, but Sparklemoose things

"Herpity derpity derp, MONKEY PANCAKES!!" is a sentence that makes sense.

[B Calm]

10. After this article I look for Trump's poll numbers to rise even higher.

[Matrosov]

11. Frightened by their own creation

These 'conservative thought leaders' (excuse me while I go laugh at that concept for the next five minutes ) have been pumping out the hate for decades now. They've deliberately been pushing to dumb down the intelligence of the political discourse on the right, to make it easier to spoon feed Republican voters false and downright idiotic information. They've been telling white voters that communists and brown people and gay people are to blame for all the problems in the world.

Trump's popularity is a product of all this. Whenever he says something outrageous that disgusts normal people, his poll numbers climb higher and higher.

It's hilarious. The Republican establishment has been grooming idiot conservatives for a candidate like Trump for the longest time, but now that the establishment realizes they have no control over the situation, they're turning on Trump.

[Cosmocat]

16. Spot on

This is one big ode to "we want your votes, not who you would really want!"

[volstork]

17. Spot on!

They have been building a Frankenstein monster for decades, and now "It's ALIVE!"

(I only wish I could use photoshop-- trump as Frankenstein's monster would be awesome...)

[Spitfire of ATJ]

12. Laurence O'Donnell said this is like it came from the Trump campaign.

[KamaAina]

14. "Trump is the living, breathing, bellowing personification of all the nasty characteristics"

"Democrats routinely ascribe to Republicans." -Michael Medved

[Cosmocat]

15. The Editors

21 morons who have been dead wrong about everything they have spewed for decades ...

[forest444]

18. Let's not kid ourselves though: the Nazional Review only did this for Jeb.

The only thing that bothers them about Trump is that he effectively derailed a Bush - i.e. someone belonging to the same clique of elitist, genocidal criminals William F. Buckley did.

[restorefreedom]

33. exactly. and creative twist of the magazine name. nt

[forest444]

34. Why, thank you. I'm surprised it never caught on.

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one use for it:

[restorefreedom]

35. lol great clip! nt

[fbc]

19. Trump just says out loud what all those jerks writing essays are thinking

I say screw these conservatives that are angry about Trump letting the cat out of the bag.

I am glad that republicans finally have a candidate that truly represents their party.

[chapdrum]

20. From the addled at NR

And we're supposed to take them and their magazine seriously? Why?

Of course, they deserve Donnie.

But are they grateful to him for reinvigorating their odious brand? Of course not.

They've spent decades preparing the conditions for someone like Trump to emerge. and when he
does, of course, they whine like the perpetual children they are.

To those who've tirelessly advocated for Nixon and the patriotic parade of (genteel) thugs that have followed,
I say sieg heil and f*ck off.

[Roland99]

21. But then who's left? Cruz is #2. IMO, he's WORSE. His insane zealotry and fake Christian beliefs

will do lasting damage to this nation.

[Hortensis]

48. Fascist-leaning ALEC founder Kaisich is showing

signs of coming up. He's packaged himself as a moderate (!) conservative with a positive outlook to appeal to an unfilled market demand.

Today's GOP has no shortage of hard-right, amoral and potentially sociopathic extremists to fear.

[cheapdate]

22. Articles in the National Review of late have offered tempered and reasonable

discussion and criticism of politics, society, and government from a conservative perspective. It's surprising.

I know where I stand. I agree with the Republicans on exactly 0% of their policy proposals. But I'm pleased at least to find someone from the conservative side who can defend their ideas reasonably and intelligently.

Good for National Review. Trump is a carnival barker.

[chapdrum]

23. What's also surprising

is that you bought that bridge.

[cheapdate]

24. Whatever.

I'll take your empty and meaningless comment under advisement.

[guillaumeb]

26. Perhaps Trump is not racist enough for the NR?

Or are they worried that Cruz will be harmed in the battle?

[SansACause]

27. Why?

He is the candidate they've been courting since 2010.

I'm sorry the monster escaped the laboratory, but he's your problem now.

[alfredo]

29. William F. Buckley quote

Look for the narcissist. The most obvious target in today’s lineup is, of course, Donald Trump. When he looks at a glass, he is mesmerized by its reflection. If Donald Trump were shaped a little differently, he would compete for Miss America. But whatever the depths of self-enchantment, the demagogue has to say something. So what does Trump say? That he is a successful businessman and that that is what America needs in the Oval Office. There is some plausibility in this, though not much. The greatest deeds of American Presidents — midwifing the new republic; freeing the slaves; harnessing the energies and vision needed to win the Cold War — had little to do with a bottom line.

[Volaris]

41. Hahaha buckley complaining about the Profit Motive

My god this election will be fun to watch

[Raster]

30. "thought leaders"

[bemildred]

40. Yes, totally, real thought leaders would come up with a better name for themselves.

Something with better associations.

Try typing "thought leader" into Google Images.

[hay rick]

32. Oh please.

These folks thought they were peddling ideas but they were actually peddling hate. Looks like sellers remorse to me.

[Feeling the Bern]

38. You POS bastards on the right created the Tea Party which enables Trump to run

You assholes created this Frankenstein monster. Now you bitch when you can't control it.

I guess your blind hatred of that black guy in the Oval Office has come to its logical conclusion in a man that will destroy your party.

W2G, dipshits. I have no sympathy for you at all.

[SummerSnow]

66. I have no symphathy for them either, and him giving Palin a possble position

in his cabinet was their icing on their cake. Dummies.

[Hissyspit]

39. Fuck the National Review.

Racists and sociopaths.

You reap what you sow.

[skepticscott]

42. Can anyone who was bored enough to read all this

report to the rest of us who all these folk actually favor as a nominee? Because the things they've said pretty much apply to the whole clown car. Not one of them understands the Constitution, the economy, diplomacy and foreign relations or much of anything else that really matters. Self-identified "conservatives' in this country are reaping what they have sown for the last 35 years, and the current crop of candidates is the (totally expectable) result.

[bemildred]

47. I didn't really see much indication that they are in favor of things.

It's really all about preventing things with them,

Trump in particular in this case. Since he is one of them, they know how dangerous he is.

[skepticscott]

59. All too true

But while I'd be more than happy if they prevented anyone from running for president as a Republican, they must at least have someone that they dislike less than everyone else.

If any of them understood mathematics, they'd realize that when you find yourself in a situation where there are no alternatives that make sense, it means your initial assumptions were deeply flawed.

[usaf-vet]

53. I'm NOT a Trump supporter. Or for that matter a GOP voter.....

... but when I look at the list of conservative authors my first response is these are the nuts that have brought on most of the rancor in the country. Pushing right wing crazy ideas and the likes of Sarah Palin. They have no credibility to whine about where Trump fails. They built the environment that has allowed him to thrive.

[hifiguy]

60. fuck these hypocritcal goons.

Trump is the Frankenstein Monster these shitheels have been building for the last 40 years. They will not be heard to bitch now that he's free, loose, and raising all kinds of holy hell. He's THEIRS and they need to OWN HIM.

[SummerSnow]

65. Wonder if this is why Bloomberg might run?

They don't want the Donald.

[SummerSnow]

68. Trump: I could 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters'.

stupid ass statement


http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support/


* watch the video and he points his finger at the screen and pulls the 'trigger'