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dhol82

(9,352 posts)
2. We still don't know when his mother renounced her American citizenship
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jan 2016

We know she became a Canadian citizen. Was she one before his birth?

Question and its answer get really murky

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
3. Actually, we don't know that she became a Canadian citizen
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 09:20 PM
Jan 2016

Unless you know something that no one else does.

Damn this birther shit is crazy.

Maru Kitteh

(28,333 posts)
6. But we do know that he is.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jan 2016

His is a Canadian citizen. He is also an American citizen. "Natural Born" has not yet been defined, particularly as it relates to the presidency. That's all we know.

 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
7. Someone has to be elected for it to go to the SC to decide.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jan 2016

Until Cruz or someone born outside of the US is elected we don't know what they will decide. And the term is only used in reference to eligibility to be president.

I think it's simple natural born citizen means born in the US.
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
11. Maybe not even then
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jan 2016

The Obama birthers generally lost because they didn't have standing, not because a court reached the merits and found Obama to have been born in Hawaii.

If I were a judge, I'd also be influenced by the Constitution's clear directive that Congress counts the electoral votes. That suggests to me that Congress decides which votes to count, and could decide not to count votes cast for ineligible persons. If Congress certifies the count and declares someone the winner, I don't think that decision is subject to judicial review.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
8. Actually, he's not a Canadian citizen
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 09:48 PM
Jan 2016

And we know that he wasn't naturalized.

So if one is an American citizen and not naturalized, then what is the other option?

Hekate

(90,616 posts)
10. But his mother's is, now that we know she was a voter in a foreign nation. She is the linchpin....
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jan 2016

...of her son's US citizenship. Or not.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
12. Do we know that she was a voter?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jan 2016

What I remember reading is that her name appeared on some list of people eligible to vote. I find it quite plausible that her inclusion was a clerical error, that she never became a Canadian citizen, and that she never voted in Canada.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
13. She may have become a Canadian citizen
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jan 2016

But she couldn't have become one by the time Cruz was born, and what she did after he was born is irrelevant.

And I'm with you, no one know that she was a voter.

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