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(39,313 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Since these THIEVES are out to steal a national wildlife refuge
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...underground to resist federal government authority.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)They are calling for more armed people to come out for a confrontation.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Some scared.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)These nutjobs seem more than willing to start shooting kids or not.
polly7
(20,582 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)No ... wait ...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)PufPuf23
(8,767 posts)Hope these folks are delusional and the situation comes to a calm end ASAP.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)blue tarp man Levoy..he was on the ground they say with his hands up and three shots killed him....they want to get more people moving...they are working on it Capt Karl is working on it...the war of the white terrorist talking. Some caller calls in says a Montana militia is coming down and the guy is a killer ...they muted him and hung up on him. These people are soooo sick!
Egnever
(21,506 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)so this is hardly surprising to me.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)And the Sagebrush Rebellion before that, and the Sovereign Citizen movement before that.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and race wars. No?
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)With the musical interlude?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Darn it, did not work.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)That's the latest in no sleep torture methods
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)saying that they are not true patriots (paraphrasing) if they don't come to the refuge I guess to save them. These people are really indoctrinated. This Ben Garrison who they keep talking about I think is the militia from Montana who is supposed to be on their way to the refuge. But not sure. They are trying to be so vague but aren't! Now the guy is saying it's a myth this guy Ben Garrison. They believe everything and nothing.
tencats
(567 posts)Attention all Oathkeepers, Idaho Three Percenters, Pacific Patriots
Network, especially Brandon Curtis, Joe Rice, Eric Parker, and Stewart
Rhodes.
This is a call-out to the membership of Operational Mutual Defense (OMD)
and friends.
You have an obligation to proceed to the Harney County Resource Center
(the wildlife refuge)immediately, in order to protect the patriots still
there. If you fail to arrive, you will demonstrate by your own actions
that your previous statements to defend life, liberty, and property were
false.
To members of Operation Mutual Defense, this is an emergency. The
purpose of Operation Mutual Defense is to respond to overbearing actions
by the federal government that has become threatening to life, liberty,
or property. Lavoy Finicum has been murdered by the FBI, and Ryan Payne has been shot.
They were en route to a meeting where had been invited by
the Grant County sheriff to address the citizens in Grant County, a
peaceful mission.
The time for all good men to come to the aid of their country has come
to the Harvey County Resource Center, which is 30 miles south of Burns
Oregon.
Stand by your oath. God Bless America.
http://www.operationmutualdefense.org/discussion/index.php?topic=26.0
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)And why would the FBI need to "murder" Finicum, since he went on national television telling everybody that he would never be taken alive?
And why the fuck aren't the media call them what they are: traitors, terrorists, and fools.
these guys are truly delusional...
kevinbgoode1
(153 posts). . .and then I discovered this. . .
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/oregon_standoff_venue_changes.html
The Sheriff is one of those right-wing "constitutional scholars" who magically decided that sheriffs are the most important law enforcement people in the country and the FBI should be kicked out of the area.
I'm not an expert in this area, but what always sticks out in my mind is the sense of entitlement to that public land. They don't seem to have any interest in anyone but themselves and how they can get something for free. I keep hearing these people talk about being "oppressed" by the federal government, but I never seem to hear exactly what they are being oppressed about other than they think they have exclusive grazing rights to public lands for free without (I'm assuming) any responsibility for their maintenance. And, of course, the public who has paid for the right to access those lands as a preserve all of these years, have those rights revoked with no compensation. Is that all it takes to generate a feeling of "oppression" in these self-proclaimed "patriots?"
renate
(13,776 posts)I don't have anything to add, just wanted to give you a
underpants
(182,769 posts)1. The FBI knew it was too me to do something. Getting a Sheriff on your side and (from what I read elsewhere) 300 of them with locals going to see Hammonds wife means this was on the tipping point of getting out the of control
2. Perfectly timed. Get all of the leadership at once.
3. The Sheriff may have been used (this counters #1) ton infiltrate from their outside getting them to comeback tour the meeting.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)bings, dings, all sorts of clever use of technology going on. now they are arguing about trolling!
Lorien
(31,935 posts)taking the "noble" stand that grazing cattle for profit on taxpayer owned land at a 93% discount wasn't good enough. It's worth dying for that last 7%, apparently. SMH.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)broken arrow... this is not a drill, ok that is a tad more serious.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)in a morbid trainwreck sort of way. They do appear to be getting live phone updates from people on the scene.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and other ways. I used to read their crap as research for fiction. This is a tad more serious than I wanted to think. This code is essentially a call for revolution.
Nope, OpSec is not their middle name.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)They're so random. So crazy.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the Oklahoma bombing was inspired by not just Waco, but also the Turner Diaries... be aware of that.
Damn this flashback to that fire across the plain is truly a pain.
Oh and I forgot this, HI Uncle Sam, Turner Diaries is sure to trigger the usual places at NSA...
valerief
(53,235 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Kristina Burris shared Jeremy Evan Smith's post to the group: We the People of NJ - Citizens for Positive Change NJ.
January 5 at 11:43pm ·
https://www.facebook.com/JeremySmith537/posts/10204071237136331
Jeremy Evan Smith
January 5 at 10:15pm · Roseburg, OR ·
ATTN******
i call on all patriots! weather or not we like whats going on in oregon we cant change it and now the tables have turned and the feds are doing something we have lost comms! we need everyone to join up stand up everyone! this is the time!
Egnever
(21,506 posts)If he had been there there would be a lot more wounded...
Saying he is tired of keyboard warriors that talk tough but don't show up yet he is not there...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I will not be shocked to see attacks on federal facilities. Mind you, these guys (and a few gals) do not have any concept of OpSec... the second shot around the world will be the first whimper. but
Now where the hell did I place my copy of the Turner Diaries... horrid writing. Trust me, Atlas Shrug is a brilliant piece of writing in comparison... but might become very relevant...
I know, I know can go to the next gun show and get a copy.
the crap I get to read... to try to understand this really nasty under belly.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)I have no doubt there will be some violent stunts in the next few days.
I am sure this is why the feds have taken their time with this.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)just that they live in a very different world than you do.
Gad, one with a minimum concept of OpSec
Mendocino
(7,486 posts)is that like rain or shine? I know that was their mistake not yours.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Mendocino
(7,486 posts)to some of the live feed from the link in the OP. Almost comedy gold. The midnight boozing conspiracy nuts are out in force.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Waco, just not on the super secret room on the internees. Never under estimate them
Mendocino
(7,486 posts)Ugh. There was a post that Hilliary was taking and selling uranium from the Bundy and Hammond ranches to finance her campaign.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)with these types
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)I'd go there myself, but the urge to troll would be too strong.
Mendocino
(7,486 posts)Ethel Rosenberg.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Was cut off as he started to go to where they didn't want him to, that other milita / right wing fascists shouldn't get crazy over this.
Utterly disgusting.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)Kennah
(14,256 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)ribrepin
(1,726 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)there was video an hour or so ago of a convoy of vehicles heading out there including armored vehicles.
Mendocino
(7,486 posts)A guy on this feed and supposedly one of the terrorists, just said that Finicum tried to drive around the police and got stuck in a snowbank. He came out of the vehicle resisting and was then shot.
RedRocco
(454 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)RedRocco
(454 posts)mIRC even put out a mobile version of their client a couple years ago
wordpix
(18,652 posts)They so desperately want a confrontation