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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust how far back does the oligarchical establishment go? Nixon? Reagan? Or further back?
I have begun to think the establishment has much deeper roots, as far back as post-Civil War Reconstruction, and perhaps even earlier. Let's take a walk down the memory lane of history, shall we?
Think of the railroad barons and our pals, the Wall Street bankers, who crashed the economy every few years in the second half of the 19th Century. Think of Andrew Carnegie, the steel king, whose steel built the rails that J.P. Morgan and friends financed. And the dukes of coal, that kept the Carnegie works going, and their miners fighting and dying to unionize against the peonage of their working conditions and pay (Interesting factoid: Carnegie sold his company to J.P. Morgan in 1901 for $480 million (in 2015, $13.6 billion), creating the U.S. Steel Corporation. (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Carnegie )
Consider William Jennings Bryan's campaigns against the "cross of gold" that made money (and farm loans, in particular) so tight that small farms by the hundreds of thousands were repossessed by Wall Street bankers, throwing farmers and their families off their land and out of their homes.
T.R. improved the status of the citizenry by busting the trusts, imposing health, sanitation and safety regulations, etc. Then after WWI, the corrupt Republicans took over and ran the country off the rails and into the great depression.
FDR brought us back from the brink of a socialist revolution, and saved capitalism in this country. And look how he was paid back by the industrialist's planned coup and later trading with the enemy. And right up front and accounted for were the Dulles Brothers and Prescott Bush and Brown Brothers Harriman banking house. Notable employees included George Herbert Walker and his son-in-law Prescott Bush.
Immediately post war, The Dulles boys took over American foreign policy, founded the secretive national security state, kick-started the cold war, hired Hitler's scientists and spies, brought down democracies around the world, and founded the permanent MIC.
Eisenhower, JFK and RFK tried to stop it, And we know what happened to the Kennedy brothers for presuming to call halt.
Now think about the years and elections that ensued. Most everyone misses the fact that Republican and Democratic candidates were decided upon in smoke filled, all male conclaves, led by party bosses who were often none too honest themselves. The capo di tutti capos in those days were none other than Averell Harriman for the Dems and Prescott Bush for the Republicans. Remember that old Prescott hand picked Nixon. As for Ave, his blessing was required before any candidate could be nominated. In fact, his influence continued long after his death, in the person of his wife, the gorgeous Pamela Churchill Harriman, formerly the daughter in law of Winston Churchill. I recall either TIME or Newsweek mentioning that she had the final say in the vetting of Bill Clinton.
The lawyers and bankers who were charged with trading with the enemy, even after war had begun, were in charge of the republic. And we all know the rest of the story at this point.
I have begun to think that our heroes were anomalies in the smooth running of a corrupt oligarchic state.
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RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)They feel entitled to take whatever they can from the mouths of babes.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Do not forget that back in the beginning of this country there was almost always a property ownership threshold a man had to reach to be able to vote. By the time of the Civil War that property requirement had largely disappeared, and then the 15th Amendment gave the freed slaves the right to vote. It was less than a hundred years ago women got the franchise.
Recent laws about voter ID discriminate hugely against the poor, and so we're moving back to a more limited electorate. Even in the best of times, only about half of those eligible actually vote, and those who do so are disproportionately well off and well educated.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)JFK didn't try to stop anything. JFK was the trust-fund baby son of the fourth richest man in America (who was a notorious pro-German appeaser), and as president he presided over the largest peacetime expansion of the US military in history. The idea that Kennedy was trying to bring down the "military-industrial complex" is so absurdly ahistorical that it's not even worth laughing at.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)Has been quoted as saying he wanted to "break the CIA into a million pieces," faced down his gung-ho generals repeatedly when they wanted to nuke the diary commies.
All in all, your knowledge of his presidency is extraordinarily thin on the ground. Many of us have been around a very long time and have read quite a bit in the interim. We knew JFK as president and you, sir, obviously have no idea beyond inaccurate superficialities.
You are correct, though, that his father bankrolled his campaign.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)and pretty much unsupported by JFK's actual actions as President (including using the CIA to conduct operations in Laos that were kept secret from Congress, using the CIA to try to assassinate Castro, using the CIA to mount a coup against Ngo Dinh Diem that led to his assassination...and so on).
It seems to me that my knowledge of Kennedy's presidency is likely more extensive than yours, and probably less tainted by hero worship.
ProfessorGAC
(64,854 posts)You'll get nowhere
Jeff Murdoch
(168 posts)jaysunb
(11,856 posts)moondust
(19,959 posts)but the slave owner's exploitative mindset lives on in corporate boardrooms and executive suites.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)Mesopotamia. It's when mankind started owning land. Make that moment midnight. By 1am wham...... Oligarchy was born.
Though probably before that...........
OxQQme
(2,550 posts)When 'kingship was from heaven, brought to earth' and cities were erected there was, for sure, a class separation.
Those who lived inside the walls and those who toiled outside to sustain those inside.
Those walls and temples were built with reverence to the gods and goddesses and the gifts that were brought down.
So 'oligarchy' fits but the current definition seems to be more forced servitude using propaganda to keep the unwashed masses under their boot.
Here's my vote for when our financial oligarchy system was planted.
--> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family
"FIVE ARROWS IN THE QUIVER" sent around the world to control ALL the wealth.
IMF, World Bank, Federal Reserve are all spinoffs of that family.