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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:56 AM

ellenrr (3,862 posts)

Zika Virus

This is not the first plague to result from climate change but it will be remembered as a turning point.
1 1/2 million people infected.
20 countries affected. so far.
4000 babies in Brazil born with microencephaly.

Those the ones we know about.
Imagine a health delivery system already on the edge, now add 4000 babies/children/adults requiring special care for their entire lives...

Meanwhile ... the band plays on... "presidential" candidates and talking-heads argue about who is afraid of Megan Kelley.
I guess we DO get the candidates we deserve.
sad...

Two articles:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/health/zika-virus-spreading-explosively-in-americas-who-says.html?action=click&contentCollection=Music&module=MostPopularFB&version=Full®ion=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article
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http://theantimedia.org/zika-outbreak-epicenter-in-same-area-where-gm-mosquitoes-were-released-in-2015/

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Reply Zika Virus (Original post)
 ellenrr Jan 2016 OP
LineReply The virus has been around since 1947
 Travis_0004 Jan 2016 #1
LineLineReply Too soon to quantify factors, perhaps, but MANY disease
 Hortensis Jan 2016 #2
LineLineLineReply women in El Salvador have been advised not to get pregnant til 2018
 ellenrr Jan 2016 #4
LineLineLineLineReply Hmmm, Zika as a MAJOR social change vector too?
 Hortensis Jan 2016 #7
LineLineLineLineReply Maybe they think nearly all women of childbearing age will have had Zika by then.
 winter is coming Jan 2016 #13
LineLineLineLineLineReply It is pretty self limiting
 nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #16
LineLineReply Climate change -- not "global warming" leads to wetter and hotter climates
 ellenrr Jan 2016 #3
LineLineLineNew Reply Hi Ellenrr...can you please describe the difference for me? nt
 clarice Feb 2016 #25
LineLineLineLineNew Reply difference between what?
 ellenrr Feb 2016 #28
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Yes....thank you ..nt
 clarice Feb 2016 #29
LineLineLineNew Reply Ellen? nt
 clarice Feb 2016 #26
LineLineReply True, why should we believe scientists when we could have your opinion...
 ellenrr Jan 2016 #5
LineLineReply Glad we have you to tell us how things really work.
 Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #6
LineReply Antimedia is not a reliable source
 lapislzi Jan 2016 #8
LineLineReply oh, that's right- the New York times is a reliable source...
 ellenrr Jan 2016 #10
LineLineLineReply NYT is more reliable than an anti-vax conspiracy theory website
 lapislzi Jan 2016 #12
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Have you not heard of Judith Miller? maybe you should educate yourself Just a little
 ellenrr Jan 2016 #20
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Please don't talk down to me.
 lapislzi Feb 2016 #22
LineLineLineReply Antimedia is wrong on this one
 nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #14
LineReply hoping this won't lead to another "Silent Spring"
 amborin Jan 2016 #9
LineLineReply yes - more spraying us with poisons--
 ellenrr Jan 2016 #11
LineLineReply I know - this greatly concerns me as well
 Flaxbee Jan 2016 #15
LineReply Why are people ignoring CLIMATE CHANGE?
 Duppers Jan 2016 #17
LineLineNew Reply Duppers...when did Global warming get changed to Climate change?........
 clarice Feb 2016 #27
LineReply Origin of Zika Virus Outbreak in Brazil May Be Linked to Major Sporting Events
 kiva Jan 2016 #18
LineReply Here is a link to the WHO fact sheet
 Marrah_G Jan 2016 #19
LineLineNew Reply Thank you for posting this link. nt
 ZombieHorde Feb 2016 #21
LineNew Reply Zika is a potential risk for all - spike in Guillain Barre paralysis is occuring
 flamingdem Feb 2016 #23
LineNew Reply What kind of lives can babies born with this be expected to have?
 smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #24

Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:22 AM

Travis_0004 (5,417 posts)

1. The virus has been around since 1947

 

And mosquitoes have been around much longer.

Im not sure what this has to dl with global warming.

Its likely a result of increased global travel, I dont think we can blame this on global warming.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:39 AM

Star Member Hortensis (44,126 posts)

2. Too soon to quantify factors, perhaps, but MANY disease

distributions are spreading and disease epidemics occurring more frequently and virulently because of global warming. So much so, in fact, that we should not assume climate change is not playing a significant role in Zika's spread also.

Affluent Romans used to move to the hills to avoid malaria, but these days heat and mosquitoes are heading for the hills too. And Zika and its mosquito are moving north from the tropics.

For the first time I'm glad, instead of sad, that we aren't expecting any new babies in our family for the foreseeable future.

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:59 AM

ellenrr (3,862 posts)

4. women in El Salvador have been advised not to get pregnant til 2018

not sure what is magical about that year.
Hard "not to get pregnant" in a country with a majority Catholic population, and a not particularly well-educated populace.

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Response to ellenrr (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 08:49 AM

Star Member Hortensis (44,126 posts)

7. Hmmm, Zika as a MAJOR social change vector too?

Seems very likely to me. The WHO says this "explosive" spread is only the beginning.

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Response to ellenrr (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:43 PM

winter is coming (11,785 posts)

13. Maybe they think nearly all women of childbearing age will have had Zika by then.

I gather the disease in itself is relatively mild for adults.

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:50 PM

nadinbrzezinski (154,021 posts)

16. It is pretty self limiting

 

like a bad cold with exczema

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:57 AM

ellenrr (3,862 posts)

3. Climate change -- not "global warming" leads to wetter and hotter climates

ergo - more mosquitoes.

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Mon Feb 1, 2016, 06:41 PM

clarice (5,504 posts)

25. Hi Ellenrr...can you please describe the difference for me? nt

 

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Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:09 AM

ellenrr (3,862 posts)

28. difference between what?

between the terms?
"Climate chaos" is one term which describes what is happening, and which will continue to become more extreme.
or "extreme weather conditions"

not 'global warming' or 'climate warming'
bec. there are other extreme weather events,
such as the historic snow storm 2 weeks ago in the northeast may be related to El Nino and climate change.

during the ensuing years some place will become hotter and drier, some will become colder, so global warming does not suffice.

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Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:43 AM

clarice (5,504 posts)

29. Yes....thank you ..nt

 

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Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:35 PM

clarice (5,504 posts)

26. Ellen? nt

 

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 08:10 AM

ellenrr (3,862 posts)

5. True, why should we believe scientists when we could have your opinion...

based on... your opinion.

Scientists and people like Bill McKibben-- well, what does he know?

"The Zika virus foreshadows our dystopian climate future"
Bill McKibben

"I’ve spent much of my life chronicling the ongoing tragedies stemming from global warming: the floods and droughts and storms, the failed harvests and forced migrations. But no single item on the list seems any more horrible than the emerging news from South America about the newly prominent Zika disease.

Spread by mosquitoes whose range inexorably expands as the climate warms, Zika causes mild flu-like symptoms. But pregnant women bitten by the wrong mosquito are liable to give birth to babies with shrunken heads. Brazil last year recorded 4,000 cases of this “microcephaly”. As of today, authorities in Brazil, Colombia, Jamaica, El Salvador and Venezuela were urging women to avoid getting pregnant."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/25/zika-virus-brazil-dystopian-climate-future

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 08:43 AM

Katashi_itto (10,175 posts)

6. Glad we have you to tell us how things really work.

 

Science...meh...We have Travis.

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:08 AM

lapislzi (5,762 posts)

8. Antimedia is not a reliable source

It's a repository for creative speculation.

NYT calls for caution and proactive control measures.

It remains to be seen how directives for women to avoid becoming pregnant (of course it's always on the women... ) will be effective in heavily Catholic countries with limited access to family planning. Good luck with that, Brazil.

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:39 PM

ellenrr (3,862 posts)

10. oh, that's right- the New York times is a reliable source...



If you are disputing the facts in the article - pls be specific.

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:51 PM

lapislzi (5,762 posts)

12. NYT is more reliable than an anti-vax conspiracy theory website

That's all I'm saying.

I'm choosy about where I get my news. Anything that endorses anti-vax woo is unreliable, in my book. YMMV.

Article "suggests" a link between GM mosquitoes and zika virus. Correlation is no indicator of causation. When there's some hard evidence to support this claim, I'll take the claim more seriously. To put it more plainly, the article is speculative bullshit.

And what, exactly, is so hilarious about the NYT being a reliable news source?

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Response to lapislzi (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:27 AM

ellenrr (3,862 posts)

20. Have you not heard of Judith Miller? maybe you should educate yourself Just a little

before running off at the mouth.
Judith Miller the NEW YORK TIMES reporter who helped hawk us into the Iraq war--

ring any bells???




http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/30/jon_stewart_smacks_down_judith_miller_you_drove_us_into_the_devastating_iraq_war/



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Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:07 PM

lapislzi (5,762 posts)

22. Please don't talk down to me.

I am as informed as you are. Probably more so. Well aware of Judith Miller and her antics THIRTEEN YEARS AGO. So that trashes the credibility of the entire paper, forever? Please. Do throw out the baby with the bath water; heaven knows they've done absolutely no good reporting before or since; is that what you're suggesting?

As I said upthread, any site peddling anti-vax or other woo is at the very least, suspect.

Obviously you and I adhere to different standards. Such is life.

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:45 PM

nadinbrzezinski (154,021 posts)

14. Antimedia is wrong on this one

 

the outbreak in brazil came from mosquitoes from Africa... who were infected. QUICK, when was ZIKA first Identified? 1945

Where? Outside the Zika Forest in Uganda.

I am sure you will call shit on the World Health Organization as well.

We linked to t heir information YESTERDAY

http://reportingsandiego.com/2016/01/28/who-calls-for-an-emergency-committee-on-zika/

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:11 PM

amborin (16,631 posts)

9. hoping this won't lead to another "Silent Spring"

heard some "expert" calling for emptying all bird bath water; total over-reaction; responsible people refresh that water
daily; even more worrisome: mass spraying with insecticides; outside the US, banned insecticides are routinely used

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:41 PM

ellenrr (3,862 posts)

11. yes - more spraying us with poisons--

or develop a mythical vaccine at some future date.

let's get real--
the battle is over.
as a bumper sticker reads:
"At least the war on the environment is going well."

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:47 PM

Flaxbee (13,661 posts)

15. I know - this greatly concerns me as well

Mass hysteria = greater environmental apocalypse.

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 09:18 PM

Star Member Duppers (21,578 posts)

17. Why are people ignoring CLIMATE CHANGE?

More disease and death to come.



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Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:37 PM

clarice (5,504 posts)

27. Duppers...when did Global warming get changed to Climate change?........

 

Did I miss something?

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 09:32 PM

kiva (4,373 posts)

18. Origin of Zika Virus Outbreak in Brazil May Be Linked to Major Sporting Events

It’s not just humans who can travel rapidly across the world. Viruses and disease-spreading insects and animals can hitch a ride on various modes of travel and the ongoing Zika virus outbreak has spotlighted how viruses can span the globe, putting at risk people who had formerly been protected by geography.
--snip--
Prior to 2015, transmissions of the virus had not been found in people in South America and instead appeared mainly in Africa, Asia and Polynesia.

While it’s not entirely clear when the viral outbreak started or if there was “patient zero” who spread the virus, researchers who published the June 2015 study speculated that the virus may have come to Brazil during major sporting events that brought together tens to hundreds of thousands of international travelers in close proximity.

“One plausible hypothesis is the arrival of the new emergent virus during the soccer World Cup in 2014,” said the authors of the June 2015 study that studied the genetic sequence of the Zika virus in the Brazilian outbreak.


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/zika-virus-outbreak-brazil-linked-major-sporting-events/story?id=36575321

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Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:50 PM

Marrah_G (28,581 posts)

19. Here is a link to the WHO fact sheet

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/

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Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:43 PM

ZombieHorde (29,047 posts)

21. Thank you for posting this link. nt

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Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:39 PM

flamingdem (38,544 posts)

23. Zika is a potential risk for all - spike in Guillain Barre paralysis is occuring

Zika virus: Colombia warns of spike in patients with related paralysis disorder

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/28/zika-virus-colombia-paralysis-disorder-guillain-barre

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Mon Feb 1, 2016, 06:30 PM

Star Member smirkymonkey (58,538 posts)

24. What kind of lives can babies born with this be expected to have?

Will they have any quality of life at all?

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